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	<title>Comments on: Government fucking up our showers</title>
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		<title>By: jcuknz</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494714</link>
		<dc:creator>jcuknz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK if you don&#039;t want to be responsible then lets take another tack ... the less hot water you use the less it costs you to heat it up so you win with your pocket.     Now that TV3 story on this subject with the young lady washing her hair ...if she cannot do it with a 6l/min shower then there is a simple solution ... get a hair style which suits the shower ... it is what is known as adapting to one&#039;s surroundings.

I have measured the amount of water I use to shower and for a short one it was about 20 litres, washing my short hair takes longer so usually the water reaches the top of my toes instead of about half way up ....I have a plug in my shub .. helps to keep my feet warm :-)

I would ban traffic lights except at railway crossings, the more you have the less attention you pay to them, like all the flashing lights every Ton Dick and Harry have on their vehicles.   Once upon a time it was just emergency vechiles that were allowed to display a flashing light.   Much better are roundabouts and every problem with them comes down to in-ept drivers not knowing how to use them properly.    I was in a group looking forward to the damm fool Dunedfin City Engineers planning to install traffic lights as a replacement to a roundabout ... every argument for its replacement arose out of the plain incompetance of the average Dunedin driver ... the small town mentaility .... like the farmer who does a u-turn in the main street of Waimucau without looking let alone using his indicators.  Roundabout create even flow while trafficlights create the &#039;stop-go&#039; result.

While many of the ideas of the Greens are admirable their problem is they are extremists ... to hell with the world so long as they get their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK if you don&#8217;t want to be responsible then lets take another tack &#8230; the less hot water you use the less it costs you to heat it up so you win with your pocket.     Now that TV3 story on this subject with the young lady washing her hair &#8230;if she cannot do it with a 6l/min shower then there is a simple solution &#8230; get a hair style which suits the shower &#8230; it is what is known as adapting to one&#8217;s surroundings.</p>
<p>I have measured the amount of water I use to shower and for a short one it was about 20 litres, washing my short hair takes longer so usually the water reaches the top of my toes instead of about half way up &#8230;.I have a plug in my shub .. helps to keep my feet warm <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would ban traffic lights except at railway crossings, the more you have the less attention you pay to them, like all the flashing lights every Ton Dick and Harry have on their vehicles.   Once upon a time it was just emergency vechiles that were allowed to display a flashing light.   Much better are roundabouts and every problem with them comes down to in-ept drivers not knowing how to use them properly.    I was in a group looking forward to the damm fool Dunedfin City Engineers planning to install traffic lights as a replacement to a roundabout &#8230; every argument for its replacement arose out of the plain incompetance of the average Dunedin driver &#8230; the small town mentaility &#8230;. like the farmer who does a u-turn in the main street of Waimucau without looking let alone using his indicators.  Roundabout create even flow while trafficlights create the &#8216;stop-go&#8217; result.</p>
<p>While many of the ideas of the Greens are admirable their problem is they are extremists &#8230; to hell with the world so long as they get their way.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494700</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as someone said on another thread, the greens are a bull market luxury item like champagne, coke, caviar and russian hookers.

in a bear market one readjusts and cuts back to lion red, a spliff, gurnard, razzle and the nats ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as someone said on another thread, the greens are a bull market luxury item like champagne, coke, caviar and russian hookers.</p>
<p>in a bear market one readjusts and cuts back to lion red, a spliff, gurnard, razzle and the nats <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: OECD rank 22 kiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494696</link>
		<dc:creator>OECD rank 22 kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No way no how are the Greens getting 9% on 8 November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way no how are the Greens getting 9% on 8 November.</p>
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		<title>By: Dazzaman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494639</link>
		<dc:creator>Dazzaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crikey, better empty those flowers my wife put in the old copper....they might come for our bath tubs &amp; washing machines soon.  Buy up on Lynx and put Lavender in your pockets boys, the times are gonna be high....phew!  The fucken morons!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crikey, better empty those flowers my wife put in the old copper&#8230;.they might come for our bath tubs &amp; washing machines soon.  Buy up on Lynx and put Lavender in your pockets boys, the times are gonna be high&#8230;.phew!  The fucken morons!!</p>
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		<title>By: llew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494632</link>
		<dc:creator>llew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And wow - google went through the roof on R... J today.  sorry guys, I fibbed about that. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And wow &#8211; google went through the roof on R&#8230; J today.  sorry guys, I fibbed about that. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: llew</title>
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		<dc:creator>llew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice... someone out there with experience for the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice&#8230; someone out there with experience for the job.</p>
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		<title>By: cha</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494612</link>
		<dc:creator>cha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Llew, with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10536775&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feiyu Zhou&lt;/a&gt; heading the compliance unit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Llew, with <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10536775" rel="nofollow">Feiyu Zhou</a> heading the compliance unit.</p>
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		<title>By: llew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494601</link>
		<dc:creator>llew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“Effective immediately, if it’s yellow let it mellow, if it’s brown flush it down”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

With a webcam in every bathroom to ensure compliance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“Effective immediately, if it’s yellow let it mellow, if it’s brown flush it down”</p></blockquote>
<p>With a webcam in every bathroom to ensure compliance.</p>
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		<title>By: phobius</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494587</link>
		<dc:creator>phobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps they could tag on another clause to the regulation:

&quot;Effective immediately, if it&#039;s yellow let it mellow, if it&#039;s brown flush it down&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps they could tag on another clause to the regulation:</p>
<p>&#8220;Effective immediately, if it&#8217;s yellow let it mellow, if it&#8217;s brown flush it down&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gorbok</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494569</link>
		<dc:creator>gorbok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have many of you measured the flow rate of your existing shower head to get some bearing on what 6 litres per minute even means? Or more importantly, read the actual amendments that are taking place? I admit I haven&#039;t done the first, but I have done the second.

The aim is not to regulate water use, so having tank water is irrelevant. It&#039;s about energy efficiency. The amendments are designed to encourage more energy efficient water heating, something that will save the user in terms of their power bill (assuming something is done about power companies charging households more for their power if they don&#039;t use power-guzzling hot water cylinders). The rules are also different for small houses (3 bedrooms or less) and larger houses (more than 3 bedrooms or &gt;150m2). Here&#039;s how it&#039;ll work.

3 Bedrooms or Less:
Water Heating (Flow Rate in litres per minute)
Electric (7.5)
Instant Gas (9.0)
Gas with Storage (6.0)
Solar (9.0)
Heat Pump (12.0)

More than 3 Bedrooms or &gt;150m2:
Water Heating (Flow Rate in litres per minute)
Electric (6.0)
Instant Gas (7.5)
Gas with Storage (6.0)
Solar (7.5)
Heat Pump (12.0)

So, by designing your hot water system to include an energy efficient method such as a heat pump, you&#039;ll be allowed an increase in water flow, up to 12 litres per minute which is more than most modern shower heads use, and you will save money on power.
It&#039;s all very easy to cry &quot;nanny state&quot; when you hear &quot;6 litres per minute&quot;. I agree that 6 is much smaller than many other numbers. But until you understand what it all means, and what the real story actually is, I plead with you not to automatically react to every news story at face value.

Now that some of you are hopefully a little wiser about all this, by all means recommence your personal attacks and pointless left-vs-right bi-partisan head-butting that most online blogs, and politics in general, inevitably dissolve into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have many of you measured the flow rate of your existing shower head to get some bearing on what 6 litres per minute even means? Or more importantly, read the actual amendments that are taking place? I admit I haven&#8217;t done the first, but I have done the second.</p>
<p>The aim is not to regulate water use, so having tank water is irrelevant. It&#8217;s about energy efficiency. The amendments are designed to encourage more energy efficient water heating, something that will save the user in terms of their power bill (assuming something is done about power companies charging households more for their power if they don&#8217;t use power-guzzling hot water cylinders). The rules are also different for small houses (3 bedrooms or less) and larger houses (more than 3 bedrooms or &gt;150m2). Here&#8217;s how it&#8217;ll work.</p>
<p>3 Bedrooms or Less:<br />
Water Heating (Flow Rate in litres per minute)<br />
Electric (7.5)<br />
Instant Gas (9.0)<br />
Gas with Storage (6.0)<br />
Solar (9.0)<br />
Heat Pump (12.0)</p>
<p>More than 3 Bedrooms or &gt;150m2:<br />
Water Heating (Flow Rate in litres per minute)<br />
Electric (6.0)<br />
Instant Gas (7.5)<br />
Gas with Storage (6.0)<br />
Solar (7.5)<br />
Heat Pump (12.0)</p>
<p>So, by designing your hot water system to include an energy efficient method such as a heat pump, you&#8217;ll be allowed an increase in water flow, up to 12 litres per minute which is more than most modern shower heads use, and you will save money on power.<br />
It&#8217;s all very easy to cry &#8220;nanny state&#8221; when you hear &#8220;6 litres per minute&#8221;. I agree that 6 is much smaller than many other numbers. But until you understand what it all means, and what the real story actually is, I plead with you not to automatically react to every news story at face value.</p>
<p>Now that some of you are hopefully a little wiser about all this, by all means recommence your personal attacks and pointless left-vs-right bi-partisan head-butting that most online blogs, and politics in general, inevitably dissolve into.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494549</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its the menopause.

Apparently its very vicious in childless women</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the menopause.</p>
<p>Apparently its very vicious in childless women</p>
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		<title>By: rolla_fxgt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494546</link>
		<dc:creator>rolla_fxgt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think next on the list is mandating what we can wear on certian days.

She&#039;s just a deranged socialist who is scared at the loss of power so sees the need to try make as many last gasp changes she can before she&#039;s out.

I think John Keys first act as PM should be to get HC sectioned under the mental health act to diagnose her condition, as I&#039;m sure she has something wrong with her, no sane person gets as bad &amp; vindictive as she is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think next on the list is mandating what we can wear on certian days.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s just a deranged socialist who is scared at the loss of power so sees the need to try make as many last gasp changes she can before she&#8217;s out.</p>
<p>I think John Keys first act as PM should be to get HC sectioned under the mental health act to diagnose her condition, as I&#8217;m sure she has something wrong with her, no sane person gets as bad &amp; vindictive as she is</p>
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		<title>By: llew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494545</link>
		<dc:creator>llew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hate yourself don’t you Yellaback?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t hate, Russell. Why does hate come to mind?  BTW, keep up the insults Russell J, it&#039;s a really fucking brilliant idea.

Andrew L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hate yourself don’t you Yellaback?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate, Russell. Why does hate come to mind?  BTW, keep up the insults Russell J, it&#8217;s a really fucking brilliant idea.</p>
<p>Andrew L</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494541</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phhhhwssssshhhhslap!


What do you say about that then Rd? Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phhhhwssssshhhhslap!</p>
<p>What do you say about that then Rd? Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: llew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494540</link>
		<dc:creator>llew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Always the same old obsessive behaviour, followed by the same old diversions when you are defeated.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Er...? Don&#039;t you have better things to do than track me down every time I post something? Defeated? Insulted sure? But how exactly was I defeated? I don&#039;t even think I said anything anyone with half a brain could take offense at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Always the same old obsessive behaviour, followed by the same old diversions when you are defeated.</p></blockquote>
<p>Er&#8230;? Don&#8217;t you have better things to do than track me down every time I post something? Defeated? Insulted sure? But how exactly was I defeated? I don&#8217;t even think I said anything anyone with half a brain could take offense at.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494537</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You don’t want less government, you want one that panders to you.&quot;

Hate yourself don&#039;t you Yellaback? Always the same old obsessive behaviour, followed by the same old diversions when you are defeated. Stalker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You don’t want less government, you want one that panders to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hate yourself don&#8217;t you Yellaback? Always the same old obsessive behaviour, followed by the same old diversions when you are defeated. Stalker.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494530</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phhhhwssssshhhhslap!

(the sound of a bitchslap goin upside someones face)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phhhhwssssshhhhslap!</p>
<p>(the sound of a bitchslap goin upside someones face)</p>
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		<title>By: llew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494529</link>
		<dc:creator>llew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got a problem? Oh yeah, that&#039;s right, everything&#039;s a problem to whiners like you. Get off your arse &amp; achieve something rather than bleat about how the government treats you.  Real men take responsibility for themselves.

You don&#039;t want less government, you want one that panders to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got a problem? Oh yeah, that&#8217;s right, everything&#8217;s a problem to whiners like you. Get off your arse &amp; achieve something rather than bleat about how the government treats you.  Real men take responsibility for themselves.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t want less government, you want one that panders to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honey  Badger. I was initially responding to Toad - hence the references that you found “out of proportion” but as you chose to poke your nose in I can only assume you are a female so when I ask an example of doing business with China I meant a little more than buying ‘made in China’ underwear.
I anticipate you’ve never become entangled in either the Building or Resource Management Acts if you don’t think we are regulated in NZ

Cheers RB. You’re wasting your time with Honey Badger. She can’t differentiate between ‘financial incentives/disincentives’ as in China and ‘absolute bans’ – as in NZ

BTW HB – next time you copy from the internet it’s courtesy to put the link in www.newsgd.com/news/Guangdong1/200702270010.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honey  Badger. I was initially responding to Toad &#8211; hence the references that you found “out of proportion” but as you chose to poke your nose in I can only assume you are a female so when I ask an example of doing business with China I meant a little more than buying ‘made in China’ underwear.<br />
I anticipate you’ve never become entangled in either the Building or Resource Management Acts if you don’t think we are regulated in NZ</p>
<p>Cheers RB. You’re wasting your time with Honey Badger. She can’t differentiate between ‘financial incentives/disincentives’ as in China and ‘absolute bans’ – as in NZ</p>
<p>BTW HB – next time you copy from the internet it’s courtesy to put the link in <a href="http://www.newsgd.com/news/Guangdong1/200702270010.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsgd.com/news/Guangdong1/200702270010.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/government_fucking_up_our_showers.html#comment-494523</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Please feel free to leave me the fuck alone.&quot;

What&#039;s up yellaback? Need a regulation to help you stay away from blogs??</description>
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<p>What&#8217;s up yellaback? Need a regulation to help you stay away from blogs??</p>
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