Key hot for Brad Pitt
Unlike Kevin Rudd, John Key has actually answered the famous tongue-in-cheek “Who would you turn gay for” question and nominated Brad Pitt.
On things gay, Rodney Hide has an interesting interview with gaynz.com on his views:
I describe myself as a classical liberal, which means I believe in the paramount freedom of the individual, and that it’s Government’s job simply to uphold that liberty and protect it from the bullies.” …
Nice.
Asked by media, including GayNZ.com, if there was any truth to Peters’ veiled ‘accusation’ in the House that Hide is not heterosexual, Hide famously answered “Not yet,”
Heh.
Where does ACT stand on adoption by same-sex couples, the subject of a Bill hovering on the edges of the House? “I’ve got no problem with gay people adopting kids”, he says. “I’ve got a number of gay friends and I’d rather some of them were looking after my son than a lot of my heterosexual ones.”
Yep.
UPDATE: On gay issues, this story from Austria is quite interesting. It has just been revealed that Jorg Haider, who died in a car crash last week, is gay and was in a relationship with his sucessor as party leader. They led the right-wing Alliance for the Future of Austria.
What I find interesting is that two of the most high profile and sucessful nationalistic and anti-immigration leaders in Europe were both gay – Haider and Pim Fortuyn. Fortuyn was openly gay though while Haider was sceretly bisexual – he had a wife and children.
October 24th, 2008 at 8:48 am
I almost pissed myself laughinging! Thats classic, good call JK.
I imagine Hulun would have made a condescending remark and given a well practised patronising chuckle before commenting that labours WFF policy was a more appropriate topic of conversation (while thinking longingly of JT’s saggy arse).
October 24th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Brad Pitt? Hey, perhaps we could go on a double date because Angelina Jolie is certainly on the short list of women I’d hypothetically go straight for — though if Helen Mirren and Robyn (she’s a Greenie but nobody’s perfect) Malcolm wanted to come along and help get all the latent hetness out of my system in one go, I wouldn’t complain.
October 24th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Helen Mirren? You perv!
October 24th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Craig: I hope you are a lot older than 40!!
October 24th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Damn now why didn’t he say Peter Davis ! (Tongue in cheek) It worked for Helen.
October 24th, 2008 at 9:14 am
coventry: great comment – though remember it “who would TURN you gay?” – not “who would marry to pretend you WEREN’T gay?”
October 24th, 2008 at 9:16 am
LAX.
October 24th, 2008 at 9:19 am
So WraithX, if the question was a night with Helen or gay for life, what would you choose ? I would personally say, pucker up sonny !
October 24th, 2008 at 9:20 am
coventry: fortunately for me I am already gay – so it is a no brainer
Of course, your comment is doubly repugnant to me for that reason also – as the thought of a night with Helen is simply too cruel and unusual.
October 24th, 2008 at 9:22 am
LOL.
October 24th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Oh – if the question were instead: “One night with Cullen or Mallard or straight for life…” – I would have to cancel my subscription to Gay NZ.
October 24th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Sorry no offense meant. Yes, I had trouble getting a mental image of Helen & Pearl Necklace out of my head the other night, was very bad.
And Cullen or Mallard… arrrghhh – maybe David Parker or that Ginga one ?
October 24th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Come on you media wankers – ask her the question !!! The difference between the two candidates is like night and day – a positive and open attitude with a smile and … well …you know the rest.
October 24th, 2008 at 9:32 am
a right wing, gay austrian,,, reminds me of a real asshole.. just can think who…
October 24th, 2008 at 9:33 am
I sincerely believe that Clark would not have the guts to answer that question properly. She would do that laugh that she does, and then say some bullshit like ” Oh well, ha ha ha, there have been so many great inspiring women in New Zealand’s history, I’d have a hard time choosing, ha ha ha.”
She wouldn’t give a name.
October 24th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Judith Tizard. oops
October 24th, 2008 at 9:40 am
They asked Supreme Leader the very same question and she replied in a vicious voice; the black widow spider has a potent neurotoxic venom.
October 24th, 2008 at 9:59 am
John should get Brad over here now!
He’d win hands down if he snogged Brad at the airport
& holding hands they disapeared into the depths of the limo
Go Johnny Go
We all want a Brighter Future
October 24th, 2008 at 10:00 am
are you people suggesting Helen likes women?
but Labour is all about TRUST!
if she was gay, then that would make her marriage fake?
that cant be right.
October 24th, 2008 at 10:02 am
dime ; I suppose one can interpret hanging around gay bars is all part of a healthy marriage?
October 24th, 2008 at 10:06 am
He’s only after his money.
All John Key cares about is money.
October 24th, 2008 at 10:10 am
“I’d happily do gay sex for Angelina. If the other woman was Jennifer – huh – yeah baby – then we’d see who’s the ‘trifecta girl’…” Said monkey boy…
sorry.
October 24th, 2008 at 10:16 am
The news about Haider is hardly news – it was common knowledge years ago
October 24th, 2008 at 10:19 am
oops – that got a ‘thumbs down’…
October 24th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
DPF:
“…….What I find interesting is that two of the most high profile and sucessful nationalistic and anti-immigration leaders in Europe were both gay – Haider and Pim Fortuyn…….”
DPF, in Europe, the issues of nationalism and anti-immigration are directly concerned with the Islamic immigration that is notorious for its militantly anti-gay attitudes. Therefore, it is the only truly consistent position for gays in Europe, to be Nationalistic and anti-Immigration. The fact that political correctness demands BOTH gay rights AND immigration and multiculturalism and “tolerance” of the “other” and allowance for the eventual Islamisation of Europe, is just one of the most outstanding examples of the sheer two-facedness of political correctness.
October 24th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Oh dear, Philbest is getting himself tied up in knots again:
“the only truly consistent position for gays in Europe, to be Nationalistic and anti-Immigration. The fact that political correctness demands BOTH gay rights AND immigration and multiculturalism and “tolerance” of the “other” and allowance for the eventual Islamisation of Europe, is just one of the most outstanding examples of the sheer two-facedness of political correctness.”
Sorry Phil but NO. The only consistent position for Gays in Europe is, they have to prefer the same sex.
October 24th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
What I find interesting is that two of the most high profile and sucessful nationalistic and anti-immigration leaders in Europe were both gay – Haider and Pim Fortuyn…….”
Not Rohm and Hitler, then? What is it about these dudes – the leiderhosen? The uniforms?
October 24th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Philbest; Yes I figured it was along those lines.
Everyone: thread is about John not Helen and is meant to be light hearted.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I never thought I’d see a single sentence with ‘Helen’ and ‘light-hearted’ in it.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Or just “Helen” and “heart”.
Key’s response is really quite clever, I bet 90% of the female vote have some empathy.
October 24th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Um, no Phil Best.
There’s a key difference between Holland (liberal on gay rights) and Austria (not) — Austria is a strongly Catholic country and being an out gay man in politics is not done. Petzner will not last long as leader of the BZOe.
All of Europe is not the same. Haider’s stances (anti immigration and in the closet) were more to do with expediency (anti-immigration populism and not alienating his conservative constituency) rather than being some kind of consistent principled person. Anyway, Haider’s sexuality is old news, although it will be interesting to see what effect the news has on Haider’s old school fans.
October 24th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
I apologise in advance for this, DPF, seeing it is meant to be a lighthearted thread, but speak of the devil, I just read THIS: latest column from gay “conservative” Bruce Bawer:
European Muslims Debate: Should Gays Be Executed?
By Bruce Bawer
Pajamas Media | Thursday, October 23, 2008
“One of the pillars of the future totalitarian state in 1984 is the practice of doublethink, which Orwell defined as “the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. … To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary.”
As it happens, this is a precise description of exactly what’s been going on in many parts of Europe in recent years, as multicultural ideology has been confronted by realities about Islam that, in a doublethink-free world, would send that ideology crashing to the ground in flames.
For a case in point, I will refer the reader to an episode I’ve mentioned previously in this space — an Oslo debate last November at which the deputy chairman of Norway’s Islamic Council, Asghar Ali, refused to reject the death penalty for gays. When Senaid Kobilica, the head of the Islamic Council (which represents 60,000 Muslims), was asked where he stood on the question, he replied that he couldn’t give a definitive answer until he got a ruling from the European Fatwa Council. This week it was reported that he’s still waiting…….
“…….What’s most chilling about all this, however, is not the positions of these Muslim leaders but the reactions of the Norwegian establishment. Or, one should say, the lack of reaction.
Consider this. After last November’s debate, it emerged that Asghar Ali not only was deputy chairman of the Islamic Council but was also on the board of the Oslo Arbeidersamfunn, the largest and most influential association within Norway’s ruling Labor Party. Asked about Ali’s views, the head of the Oslo Arbeidersamfunn, Anne Cathrine Berger, lamented that some people “can’t see the difference between a board member’s views and the organization’s views……
“…….As for the Norwegian government, there has been no serious effort, as far as I know, to rescind from the Islamic Council its half million kroner a year in state support.
And the media? After a news cycle or two had passed, the Norwegian media dropped the whole pesky little business of Muslims executing gays down the memory hole and resumed treating the members of the Islamic Council as if they were congenial folks who are model immigrants, lovers of Norway, and (that magic word) moderates. When Norwegian security services expressed concern in February about the possible role in terrorist funding of money sent abroad by Norwegian Muslims, Dagsavisen went straight to Asghar Ali for a quote pooh-poohing the idea. Dagsavisen’s article ended as follows: “Ali emphasizes that the Norwegian Muslim community has definitively rejected extremism.” The fact that Ali himself had refused only weeks earlier to reject the death penalty for gay people had already been deep-sixed.
In the same month, Muslims rioted in Denmark, and Aftenbladet ran a piece portraying Kobilinka as an embodiment of moderation and reason. He was quoted as calling on Muslim youth in Norway to control themselves and blaming the riots in Denmark on “inequality and discrimination.” His argument that Muslims are the victims of bigotry, and that this bigotry is the cause of any unrest by Muslim youth, was treated as self-evident; meanwhile, the fact that this self-proclaimed opponent of discrimination had recently refused to reject the death penalty for gays went unmentioned.
As if all this weren’t enough, in April Aftenposten ran a profile of Kobilica by Kristin Høiland. Her headline: “Travel-Happy Imam.” The subhead: “He loves the mountains, enjoys skiing — and considers his journey to Norway among the most important of his life.” Høiland’s text glowed with enthusiasm for this exemplary “new Norwegian”: “We have seldom met anyone so happy to be living in this country……..”
“……..A search through all the major Norwegian papers and several lesser ones shows that none has been moved in recent days to editorialize about the Islamic Council’s continued on-the-fence posture about executing homosexuals. On the contrary, instead of acknowledging that more than a few Muslim leaders in Europe are well on their way to being the continent’s new Nazis, the Norwegian media have continued, in the face of all evidence, to cling to the mantra that Muslims are Europe ’s new Jews. To read the Norwegian media, you’d think European Muslims are huddling together in their homes, trembling in terror that an Islamophobic mob will break down the door any second and drag them out to be lynched. The media make no effort to reconcile such fantasies with the reality that Muslim leaders are out there every day, throwing their weight around with increasing self-assurance and being increasingly open about their devotion to even the most brutal parts of sharia law.
As it happens, the news that the Islamic Council was still awaiting the Fatwa Council’s verdict on gays came a day before a report that Mullah Krekar, Norway’s #1 resident terrorist, was suing Norway in the European Court of Human Rights because he wanted “to see that I’m getting everything I have a right to.” What both of these stories underscore is that on every front, and with every weapon they can find — lawsuits, veiled threats, guilt-tripping, and puff pieces masquerading as journalism — Islamists are poking and prodding at the edifice of European democracy in a tireless effort to weaken the system and bend it ever more surely toward sharia. They’ve realized that the work of jihad — of restoring the caliphate, of making Europe a part of the umma — doesn’t require suicide bombs and airplane missiles; for the prevalence in the West of useful idiots who’ve been brainwashed by multiculturalism makes such weapons superfluous.”
October 24th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
“which Orwell defined as “the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
Oh dear! What the devil are you banging on about NOW, Philbest?
I like Beethoven’s grandeur and power. I also like Chopin’s delicacy and colour. I also like drag racing and the natural environment. Does that make me a corrupt Orwellian wannabe totalitarian? Or does it just make me someone who has INTERESTS in things that are not black and white, and A LIFE outside of political commenting?
Do yourself a favour: get some interests (outside of political theorizing), get out of the house more, and CHILL THE F*CK OUT once in a while!!
October 24th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Oh dear, Rat boy dosen’t get it.
October 24th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Interestingly, epitomising the attitudes of many of the community at the VDS.
October 24th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
So when are you coming out David? Pffft!!!
October 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Dazzaman, I dunno bout DPF but I’d go gay for him, but about now I’m hoping there is no practical exam (or ony other kind of exam for that matter).
October 25th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
# Ratbiter (36) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating10 Says:
October 24th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
“which Orwell defined as “the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
“Oh dear! What the devil are you banging on about NOW, Philbest?
I like Beethoven’s grandeur and power. I also like Chopin’s delicacy and colour. I also like drag racing and the natural environment. Does that make me a corrupt Orwellian wannabe totalitarian? Or does it just make me someone who has INTERESTS in things that are not black and white, and A LIFE outside of political commenting?
Do yourself a favour: get some interests (outside of political theorizing), get out of the house more, and CHILL THE F*CK OUT once in a while!!”
Ratbiter: If it was Christian Fundamentalists in New Zealand advocating the death sentence for gays, and occupying prominent positions in National Party connected bodies, would you diss the subject? Yeah, right.
HA. I’ll take YOU on any day of the week for interests outside of politics. I love the delicacy and colour of the inheritors of the Chopin pianistic tradition, particularly Gabriel Faure and Alexander Scriabin. I love the depth and lushness of the inheritors of the Wagner tradition, particularly Frederick Delius. I am also a fan of Earth Wind and Fire, and of Warren Maxwell especially in his “Trinity Roots” incarnation. Oh, and African-American Christian choral music. I could go on all day…
October 25th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Good on yer, richprick. Brad’s a bit skinny for me, google the name Denise Hoshor, she has everthing any bloke would want……and no dangly bits either!!!
Or at least I don’t think so?! :doh: