Memories

October 29th, 2008 at 7:45 pm by David Farrar

Let me see if I have this right.

Helen Clark claims she can’t remember when she was first briefed on Owen Glenn’s wishes to be made Consul – a relatively recent event, and a pretty significant issue.

While Helen is also claiming there is something sinister about the fact that may have got wrong who paid for a meal 20 years ago when he was 26, and the date he left a job.

Let’s first deal with what is an undisputed fact – John Key had nothing to do with the . Here is what the then SFO Director said:

Mr Key was simply one in a “vast array of innocent people, potential witnesses, in a massive fact-gathering exercise. I feel compelled to fully support the reported comments of John Key in relation to the H-Fee transaction. It should not need to be said that John Key was completely innocent of any wrongdoing whatsoever. For any politician to hint or suggest otherwise would be absolutely rubbish and pure mischief-making’

Also from the same story last August:

Yesterday Labour Ministers were denying any knowledge of the H-Fee rumours and Labour Party president said the news was “a bolt from the blue” for him.

This is the same Mike WIlliams who is reported today:

In a drive to pin down Mr Key’s involvement in the case, Labour Party president Mike Williams took time out from the heat of the election to fly to Melbourne last week to search documents relating to a court case over the H-Fee.

So get this. The Labour Party President – a man paid almost $200,000 a year by the taxpayer for his multiple board appointments actually flew to another country to search through 20 year old court documents in a desperate attempt to smear John Key. This is Labour’s plan for the future.

And the best he could find was inconsistency over who paid for dinner.

Also worth remembering the SST last year:

Former Equiticorp boss Allan Hawkins and Australian-based expat and former Merchant Finance executive Ken Jarrett have both confirmed Key’s claims he had nothing to do with H-Fee.

So there is no proof at all that Key was in any way involved. It is an attempted guilt by association smear.

So what is this so called neutron bomb. At best it is three minor inconsistencies. Let’s take them one at a time:

Date of Departure

Yes John Key originally said he left in 1987,and in fact it was 24 June 1988. But the Herald themselves had the correct date in their 15 page profile on him in July 2008. So the correct date was already out there.

Before or after the H-Fee

Key said he left before the NZ H-Fee, which was on 7 Sep 1988. This is correct regardless of whether he left in 1987 or June 1988.

There was an earlier H-Fee in Jan 1988 for A$40m. Yes Key still worked for Elders then – but that earlier fee took place in Australia and Key was working in New Zealand. In his own words:

Mr Key says the Labour Party’s desperate attempt to link him with this issue again now appears to revolve around an earlier H-Fee transaction which took place in Australia while he was working for Elders in New Zealand.

“I was not involved in, or even aware of, that earlier transaction. Labour is clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel and will stop at no lie or innuendo.”

And remember that *everyone* says Key was not involved – the SFO, the then head of Equiticorp and the then finance head for Elders where the 26 year old Key was working.

This is again an attempt at guilt by association.

Who paid for the meal?

Mr Key told the Herald last year that Mr Jarrett had denied being in the country when that meeting took place. He said in the interview last year he was able to back-up Mr Richards’ story that Mr Jarrett was in the country because he – Mr Key – had paid for the lunch and had the credit card bill to prove it.

In fact, the court records show that Mr Richards paid for the lunch, not Mr Key.

Oh my God a dispute over who paid for lunch 20 years ago.

Mr Key said today that he always held the belief that the credit card used was his, but conceded it could well have been Mr Richards’.

Oh God Key may have been wrong on some details of a meal 20 years ago when he was 26. This is far far more serious than Helen Clark claiming amnesia over when she was first lobbied to make Owen Glenn Consul.

Finally for those who are going to try and make a capital case out of the fact there were some inconsistencies between people at the lunch, I quote from this e-mail sent to me by a lawyer a few minutes ago, quoting a standard summing up from the crown:

Reminds me of crown summing ups – “now the defence will no doubt point out to you that there are inconsistencies in the stories told by the crown witnesses.  We accept that, of course there are inconsistencies.  It’s human nature.  People can only give their memories, their recollection and such things are never perfect.  Indeed, if the stories were exactly the same there would be cause for concern.  That would suggest collusion.  No, what you have heard is unvarnished recollections.  What is important is that there is clear agreement on…”

I really hope someone asks Mike Williams who paid for his digging trip to Melbourne.

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71 Responses to “Memories”

  1. adc (595 comments) says:

    did he actually say he left on that date, or did he say he left 3 months before the payment, and the NZ herald then took that to mean 3 months before the first payment they knew of and therefore came up with the date, whereas he only knew of the Sep 1988 payment, so as far as he knew, he did in fact leave 3 months before that.

    Did he actually mention an absolute date, or is that something the Herald calculated?

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  2. homepaddock (408 comments) says:

    The economy is dive bombing and the people who are supposed to be running the country are too busy inventing scandals about John Key’s ancient history and mis-remembering thier own recent actions to come up with a better plan than trust-us-and-we’ll-get-back-to-you-in-December.

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  3. Whafe (650 comments) says:

    Labour, more desperate than a giant huge desperate thing, they must surely be totally covered in battery chook yolk now…..

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  4. a3catlady (58 comments) says:

    Oh for goodness sake – Bye Bye Helen, its been a hell of a ride, but time to go you nutty old bag – now I see why Winston seems to be sticking to her like glue, He thinks she is one of his batty old fruit cake brigade and will vote for him. Bye Bye Winnie too. Unemployment and wandering around wondering what the hell happened is your future, you two. Oh and by the way there aren’t any vacancies in the dementia units for either of you, so try really hard to remember not to wander on the road, or you will become road kill – oh wait, come Nov 8th you will be……………….

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  5. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    FFS – That was the Neutron bomb?

    Baaaaaw haw haw!

    next they’ll be asking his position on the Springbok tour…….

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  6. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I really hope someone asks Mike Williams who paid for his dirt digging trip to Melbourne.”

    A real journalist might ask that, but they’re like rocking horse shit in NZ, where Labour Party lackies reign supreme.

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  7. Ross Miller (1,705 comments) says:

    Yeh Gods … they are getting desperate.

    Last time they sent the then President of NZ First to Melbourne to dig up some admitted Labour; voting ‘tramp’ who in her minute of glory alleged that Bob Clarkson has acted inappropriately with her. And the result ………

    Now they send the tramp President of Labour to Sydney to carry out some half pie investigation over what happened two decades ago in a firm that JK worked for. A story that the NZ Serious Fraud Office debunked completely … well the only possible worry with that is that the SFO also partially cleared Winston Peters.

    And Helen Clark’s fingerprints are all over this.

    So, is it fair game that the allegation about a certain Dr ***** ***** and an incident in the LAX toilets et seq be now aired? Probably not because to do that would be to stoop to their level.

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  8. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    ““I really hope someone asks Mike Williams who paid for his dirt digging trip to Melbourne.”

    Er we did. The fat fucker, and conniving liar to boot.

    That lot wouldn’t know a truth if it strangled them.

    Desperate, cancerous, and highly corrosive!

    Bring on the soon to be sacked Labour/Tax Payer funded trolls. Have your 15 minutes of fame before you have to get a real job!

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  9. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    I really hope someone asks Mike Williams who paid for his dirt digging trip to Melbourne.”

    that fuckers probably job seeking again!

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  10. Zippy Gonzales (485 comments) says:

    If we’re going back that far, how about investigating what role Helen Clark, deputy prime minister at the time, played in hiding the BNZ mess to the NZ public before the 1990 election? People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones at castles.

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  11. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Ross. I’ve heard only bits a pieces about LAX dunnies. Please elaborate?

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  12. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    On TV she tried to state it was the Herald doing the digging and that in political life you have to be open to the public and willing to answer any question.

    I was just hanging out for the reporter to ask her then what way she bent?

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  13. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    When are you right wingers going to learn.

    Successful hard working businessmen = bad

    Lazy never achieve anything union delegae = Labour MP

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  14. Whafe (650 comments) says:

    It is like the fact that the police in Auckland have had to put more bobbies out on the beat on foot, but remember the government does not have anything to do with the running of the police…. Reeks of a huge giant pile of steamy camel shit….

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  15. davidp (3,587 comments) says:

    Labour are making Peters look like the sane half of the Labour First government.

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  16. double d (225 comments) says:

    yeah Ross – spill! Sounds interesting.

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  17. Gravyman62 (37 comments) says:

    Who paid for lunch 20 years ago is very important to Labour aparatchiks because THEY NEVER PAY. Anyone who does is clearly suspicious or barking.

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  18. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Double D and Patrick just think George Micheal incident, but move the toilets from the park to LAX.

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  19. Ross Miller (1,705 comments) says:

    Patrick Starr … no, for the reason stated.

    But this is a fair question …. will Mike Williams have the decency to resign from his Govt appointments Sunday week? Answer …. which is the odd one out …. decency-Labour-trust(s)-Helen-Winston-Mike-lies-corruption-Yongming Yan-$800k-$100k-$178k-Benson-Pope-the non school fees paying Labour candidate-the list goes on and on and on

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  20. Doug (410 comments) says:

    Gravyman62

    Dead right, a Labour MP won’t even pay School fees.

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  21. Gulag (146 comments) says:

    Social workers, teachers and union officials, Labour’s limited pool from which they draw their MPs.

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  22. Helensphotogenicimposter (244 comments) says:

    Lets recap what we Have

    1) Yes John Key worked for a company that was involved in a fradulent transaction
    2) he left 3 months before the specific transaction occured
    3) Those involved were convicted of fraud. John key was not one of them.
    4) John Key was cleared by the SFO during their enquiries
    5) John Key got his dates wrong about what he was up to 20 years ago. Not an uncommon problem for us all
    6) The basis of Labours argument seems to stem from a dispute as to who paid for a boozy lunch in 1988. None of it was public money so who cares.

    More importantly though is the Herald reporting last year that:
    “Hawkins said Equiticorp gave $250,000 to Labour in 1986 during pro-free enterprise Finance Minister Roger Douglas’s four-year stint under Prime Minister David Lange and a “substantially lesser” amount to National the same year. “I expect if (Labour) are being fair they will mention that as well,” he said.”

    Suggesting that Labour were guilty 22 years ago of taking money from a dodgy investment company that was later convicted of fraud.

    People who follow the sharemarket will note that there were many loose laws at the time which the Bolger National tightened up considerably to limit fradulent activity in big business. Was that $250,000 a bribe so that Labour could secretly keep the loopholes open for big greedy businessmen.

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  23. Jasper (6 comments) says:

    We shouldn’t underestimate the depths they may yet stoop to – they are masters of evil, vindictive manipulation. I think this one has no legs (unless Mold & Garner decide to apply their particular brand of vitriolic left bias) but I’m more worried it’s the sucker punch ahead of the real bomb. Remember Garner drooling from both sides of his mouth saying there was more “secret” tape recordings to come? If so, it’ll be this weekend, and if the rumours are true, Key will face his biggest credibility test to date. Hope he has a plan.

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  24. Lee (610 comments) says:

    Ding dong the Witch is dead, the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!! :) :) :)

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  25. democracymum (648 comments) says:

    Southern Raider

    My husband and I watching TV3 asked the same thing simultaneously lol!

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  26. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    I have followed NZ politics in a armchair roll, for over 25 years. Not just with an interest in how it affects my life and business interests, but also because I have an interest in the psycology of politicians, and what makes them tick. I clearly remember HC in her early days as a bumbling, incompetent fool, and for whom I felt a little sorry. Fast forward 25-odd years, during which time she morphed into a consumate politician. For her achievements, I tip my hat to her and give her a bow. Now however, I resent, scorn and loath her, for she treats my fellow countrymen with contempt and as idiots.

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  27. somewhatthoughtful (467 comments) says:

    you know what’s really cute? both you guys and the standardistas have parallel conspiracy theories to rant about!

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  28. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Southern Raider Thats about what I’d heard… but what I was wondering is how he got away with it?

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  29. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Jasper.

    JK is an out and out racist, just like everyone in Godzone.

    The PI’s feud with the Maori, the Koreans with the Chinese, the Indians with the Pakistanis etc. etc.

    He also managed to collapse the world banking system by leaving merril lynch eight years ago!

    Then the baby faced one forgot who paid for lunch 20 years ago!

    Horrible, twisted individual.

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  30. reid (16,631 comments) says:

    Patrick, he’s got a diplomatic passport which is how Winston knows which is why Hulun’s done nothing about him.

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  31. radvad (771 comments) says:

    Sadly, this episode is another typical example of the legacy of Clarks and Peters time in politics. They will be remembered, not for anything they may have done to benefit the country, but for debasing the standard of political discourse to a tragic level. I suppose that is a natural outcome for those who see all politics as personal and everything personal as political.

    They are malignant narcissists and the only way they can feel better about themselves is to drag everyone else down to their own tragic standard. The country as a whole becomes the loser.

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  32. reid (16,631 comments) says:

    “They will be remembered, not for anything they may have done to benefit the country, but for debasing the standard of political discourse to a tragic level.”

    No they won’t radvad, they’ll be remembered for leading the country through a golden prosperous era combining smart economics with advanced social justice.

    Of course that’s complete bollocks but that’s what the reef fish will remember.

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  33. Helensphotogenicimposter (244 comments) says:

    I have just read this article on the Stuff business pages :http://www.stuff.co.nz/4743313a13.html. It outlines the entire H-Fee deals. It outlines that those involved were high up in both organisationsl. It also outlines that the situation arose from the sale of NZ Steel to equiticorp in 1987. Instead of requesting cash, the Labour government at the time accepted equiticorp shares. Fortunately they had a clause to make equiticorp responsible for any shortfall should there be any downturn in their shareprice as did occur in 1987. For their part in the scam, the government was found liable by the courts of over 200 million dollars.

    Some may say that it was big business pulling one over the government at the time. I think equiticorp onsold NZ steel to BHP. However they were stupid enough to proceed with a transaction involving a shareswap than cash. When the market crashed, equiticorp were bankrupt and unable to pay the government out, hence when the H-fee was devised. So if Labour are going to be critical of big business over this, they also need to be critical of themselves (the government included Helen, MC, Phil Goff at the time) for how they conducted business at the time.

    I think we are in for an interesting few days. The mud could very well fall back into Labour’s face.

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  34. Helensphotogenicimposter (244 comments) says:

    Could someone please tell me about this lewd act in the Dunnies at the LAX Koru lounge?

    Who did what etc, and is it worth the public knowing etc.

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  35. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Whilst it is abhorrent to me that any individual’s sex life should come under public scrutiny, I would have to concede, that if you are the leader of a country (aka ‘society’), which is predominately (without doubt), heterosexual, then (and as HC agree’s), your life in public office is an open book. And since that for most of us, ‘life’ is all about friends and family, you naturally judge a person by the company they keep. Translated: We are all genetically programed to reproduce the human race. If an individual is born devoid of a hormone or, two (ie. a genetic predisposition to mate with the same sex)), and by which to reproduce the species, then mainstream society will rile against them. Humans with a full-genetic complement, do this at a sub-conscious level. It is nature’s way of ensuring the survival of the speices.

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  36. Colin (85 comments) says:

    Oh no…. so Labour’s decided they want to get dirty.

    They send the dirt digger par excellence off to Melbourne.

    Mike comes back with his Neutron bomb… it goes of early and destroys the last vestiges of his reputation

    Suddenly people get LAX about blogging standards and an old story of MINOR significance that refuses to PETER out re-emerges. It’s an ARRESTING thought that Labour will be hoping doesn’t FLY HOME. So perhaps digging for dirt wasn’t such a good idea.

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  37. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Helensphotogenicimposter; do you remember how Mr Clark celebrated after the last general election…………….?

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  38. bruno 32 (22 comments) says:

    If I was helen clark I’d send mike williams to one of those drug rehab clinics for detox and not let him out till he gets 50 % on the polygraph

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  39. reid (16,631 comments) says:

    Excellent work Colin.

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  40. Right of way is Way of Right (1,122 comments) says:

    Ah, That story! The LAX Toilets…

    Which, incidentally, I heard from my brother, who got it directly from a person high up in NZF, who got it direct from the Minister of Foreign Arrairs who can, apparently do no wrong in the eyes of H1, and who’s department also issues diplomatic passports…………….

    So THAT’s how you keep baubles!! New Zealand is too small to sit on a story like this one!

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  41. NX (504 comments) says:

    Mike Williams must really love Helen to do this kind of shit work.

    Can anyone imagine Judy Kirk or Michelle boag doing this?

    Not sure whether to be impressed by or sorry for Mike Williams.

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  42. Helensphotogenicimposter (244 comments) says:

    Can I put it this way.

    Labour have been very uncanny in Supporting the minister of Foreign affairs in spite of his payoffs from racing interests and Mr Glenn and openly lying about them.

    We all knew that there was a left leaning dead horse that the Minister knows about and refuses to state where it was buried.

    May I now ask how you came to the knowledge about the wherabouts of the dead horse in question, which I am to understand raced under the same name as a health science professor?

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  43. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Looks like the very ugly fat fucker Williams pulled the detonator on his leaking water pistol before Dear Leaders approval.

    He was so happy to have found that there was a discrepency in the story of who paid for Lunch 20 years ago, that he creamed himself. Must have been a shock to have feelings in that area again.

    Hells looked very pissed off on TV to-night!

    Just fantastic.

    She now has probably realised that the ‘Private stuff’ will come home to haunt her.

    Ah didums.

    And where are the troll meisters when you fancy a bloody good ruck?

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  44. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    The LAX story is a red herring!

    It (the big story) is going to come out soon, and is a lot more disturbing!

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  45. skyblue (212 comments) says:

    GM, can you eloborate?

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  46. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Yeah GM,HC did not look happy AT all. I get the distinct impression the proverbial is about to hit the fan.

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  47. Right of way is Way of Right (1,122 comments) says:

    Initially, I have always found poetry to be a calming influence! If you look at the beginning, it should all become a little clearer!

    Perhaps in the fullness of time
    Every seeker of honesty will find
    Truth will out, lies will fail
    Each and every falseness
    Revealed in the light

    Dare we hope to see
    All the misleading and fragile
    Veneers of falsehood and
    Intolerable hypocrisy
    Surrender to the light

    In those who stand quietly by
    Not seen as often
    Due to the meekness of the soul
    Existing as the reflection of another
    Call to them
    Enable them to live in and of themselves
    No longer in their darkness
    Taken to the light

    Any lost souls
    Spurned by those who call themselves
    Superior
    Aid them
    Uplift them
    Let them find a way
    To the Light

    Only in helping others do we truly
    Find Ourselves

    Allow ourselves to show our true nature!

    Make the heart lift
    As each of us lift the hearts of others
    Light is the key
    Enabling us to open the doors to the lies

    Many who condemn the
    Innocent with loud voices have
    No right to claim the purity
    Of the innocents they condemn
    Revealed by the Light

    Let not your spirit fall
    Allow it to shine through like a blessed
    X-ray through your soul!

    Keep your mind to the task
    Overwhelming odds may race you
    Ride hard over them
    United we will win

    Light will reveal all
    Our natures and our being
    Until the time comes
    Never forget
    Give your best to all
    Each of us

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  48. skyblue (212 comments) says:

    The expression on her face was Priceless. Her mind was elsewhere towards the end of the interview. Maybe looking for the flying terds to Mallard from.
    I am getting the feeling it is going to be a great night on 8 Nov at Sky City.

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  49. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Just wait until poodle realises that he has been hung out to dry!

    She has claimed all the credit for his ‘old gits’ benefits.

    As in Labour funded the super saver card etc.

    He has the full SP on HC and favourites. Just wait until the 9th when he is an abandoned poodle.

    The facts are disturbing, but an ordinary person like me could never spoil the fun of the great and the good!

    Much better it is delivered by Luigi!

    Helen has now lost control of her own apparatus.

    They are all in panic mode.

    NZ is a small village

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  50. Right of way is Way of Right (1,122 comments) says:

    Hey GM, what if we are both right, wouldn’t that be a hall of a One/Two punch!

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  51. jackp (668 comments) says:

    I am still confused. I am trying to put pieces together from these posts and this is what I came up with. Did Helen Clark’s husband get caught giving some guy a blow job in the LAX toilets?
    Sorry to be so blunt.

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  52. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Not sure why LAX kept popping up.

    The other story was in the Valley alledgedly, however it is quite possible that you are also right!

    I was told that it was an urban myth, however it would appear to keep coming back!

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  53. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,753 comments) says:

    Another swing and a miss for Labour.

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  54. Helensphotogenicimposter (244 comments) says:

    GM you really are a chocolate loving shit stirrer. The challenge will be breaking the news without looking desperate, vindictive and homophobic, should this be the neutronski bomb in question. Some evidence might be useful. The statement of a jealous lover perhapse.

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  55. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    Labours latest and lamest attempt to smear John Key has been de…..

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  56. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    ….stroyed

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  57. natural party of govt (461 comments) says:

    “Helen Clark claims she can’t remember when she was first briefed on Owen Glenn’s wishes to be made Consul – a relatively recent event, and a pretty significant issue.”

    My guess is Helen Clark is being economical with the truth in regards to a providing an unpaid meaningless vanity diplomatic post as a quid pro quo for a donation. Not necessarily in the finest westminister tradition but firmly in the tradition of cash for peerages that we know so well from Britain.

    Mr Key is being economical with the truth in regards to New Zealand’s largest financial fraud case and it appears that he has committed perjury – and possibly perjury to protect a former colleague.

    That is a completely different order of magnitude.

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  58. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,753 comments) says:

    John Key is a top bloke, if a little limp compared to Don Brash.

    Hels is a liar.

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  59. DamnedAngry (231 comments) says:

    Did anyone ever put the Peter Davis ‘male-on-male’ SNOG, after the win at the last election, up on YouTube? If I remember correctly it was pretty darned passionate!

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  60. DamnedAngry (231 comments) says:

    I’m waiting for Helen to throw out a rumour that one of the two John’s has been have secret talks with the Exclusive Bretheren!

    Wouldn’t be surprized if they started inventing stuff as there are enuff dumb dipshits out there that would believe anything Liarbor say.

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  61. natural party of govt (461 comments) says:

    John here wants New Zealanders to be protected from the greed and excesses of wall street bankers.
    While John here can’t quite remember the fact that he left Elders 6 months AFTER H-fee was paid not 6 months BEFORE.

    Or that he was having lunch with his successor when said successor was called away to discuss the 2nd payment.

    The Natural Party of Government….still able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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  62. natural party of govt (461 comments) says:

    John here says regarding the 2nd H-fee transaction ” But the the interesting thing, Key said at the time, was that if he had still been working at Elders, it would likely have been him, not Richards, with whom Jarrett would have met that day.” [source: NZ Herald]

    While John here has totally forgotten that he was still working for Elders when the first H-fee transaction took place.

    Hmmmm……. shades of Geoffrey Palmer, Michael Moore leadership challenge here.

    Has Bill English’s time finally come?

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  63. natural party of govt (461 comments) says:

    fascinating…

    I have just heard from someone that apparantly it was someone usually seen associated with Mr English who leaked this to Labour a couple of years ago.

    Politics……you always have to watch your own side more closely than those on the other bench.

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  64. DamnedAngry (231 comments) says:

    Shit the bed early NPOG? Or should that be PONG???

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  65. jackp (668 comments) says:

    What does John Armstrong do for the Herald. Did he get that job by default? His editorial still tries to trash John Key because he can’t remember what happened 20 years ago. He truly is the “Shallow Man” during this election.

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  66. Brin (7 comments) says:

    I see this in the Herald this morning:

    “Labour president Mike Williams spent several days last week reading court documents in Melbourne, backed up by Wellington-based members of the party research unit.”

    That would be the tax-payer funded Labour research unit? And would the costs of flying them to Melbourne and their accommodation count as an election expense?

    I’d also be genuinely interested if someone more knowledgeable than me could comment on whether it is appropriate for someone on the Boards that Mike Williams is on to be travelling overseas on dirt-digging missions targeting leading NZ politicians.

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  67. Mr Nobody NZ (391 comments) says:

    Come on Brin are you surprised to hear that Helen has used a tax payer research unit for dirt digging missions? Personally I wouldn’t be surprised to hear Helen unleashed the SIS to fuel her last gasp at retaining power.

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  68. dave strings (608 comments) says:

    Oh! What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!

    “When the end of the end arrives there is no harm throwing excrement; if some of it sticks that’s good, if it bounces back, well – you were neck deep in it anyway!”
    Anthony, Lord Hulme commenting on the Profumo Affair

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  69. Colin (85 comments) says:

    Bruno said:
    If I was helen clark I’d send mike williams to one of those drug rehab clinics for detox.

    Going by his picture last night he also needs a botox!

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  70. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    When the TWO really really big stories about Crazy break then the Socialists ‘neutron bomb” will be but a storm in a very small teacup.

    MFAT are really really pissed off about the way Simon M has been treated by Liugi and Crazy and are out for revenge big time.

    When a Minister or a PM trash a Department Head that is popular with the troops they risk a backlash.

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  71. TimF (4 comments) says:

    Helen Clark forgot to advise that the first H Fee was transacted in january 1988 between Elders and BNZ ( Sydney Branch ).
    BNZ was owned by the Labour Government of the time which she was a senior minister in. She was technically involved in the transaction and John Key was nowhere near the transaction.

    Why wasn’t that reported in the NZ Herald article and others since.

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