New Labour billboard
October 18th, 2008 at 12:07 pm by David Farrar
Labour’s official billboard.
Labour’s new billboard done by Whale and myself to reflect the citizenship scandal 
Is there anything not for sale by Labour? Taito Field was allegedly selling off immigration permits in exchange for free work on houses, and now we have allegedly privileged treatment given to an applicant for citizenship who was a Labour party donor.
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October 18th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Great job guys!
Let’s keep on telling it like it really is
Vote:Until the media start asking the real questions!
October 18th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Is that billboard EFA approved???
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
I think Tonga does the same thing.
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
The spin is already underway from their advisors:
http://www.frasercarson.com
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Some of those cost figures shown on the WhaleOil Billboard should be expressed in “PER ANNUM” costs to the taxpayer, too….specifically, the KiwiRail and the KiwiBank ones. Back in the early 1980′s, at least the majority of NZ-ers managed to get the message that to regard something that was a black hole for taxpayers money, as “the family silver”, was simply not rational…..we seem to need to learn that lesson again…..
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Hey this about trust, and I am pretty sure that while these wastes of jism hold the treasury benches, you can trust I will never return to NZ
Come on over free thinkers, the standard of living is good, and until Julia Gillard and her commie mates screw it up, Aus will still be pretty good. You dont even have to try hard to look good over here, as the natives aren’t overly industrious.
BBTB
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Is it the VRWC fabricating a racist slur to win at all costs – Lee – http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/ Or is it someone else?
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Interesting the lack of interest, to date, from the MSM. Can you imagine the situation reveresed? Well, actually, you don’t have to. Just think of Hager’s slurs about cash for policy that was dutifully reported.
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
lol – turns out he donated $5000 to National, met Key 3 times and Pansy Wong is involved. Better change that billboard boiz. Liu’sers.
[DPF: But they had no part in making the decisions, let alone knowing that he was under investigation by the Immigration Service. Shane Jones did know about the investigation, and did grant citizenship against the recommendations of his Department. The question is why?]
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Apparently the Photoshop experts at Labour initially went to great extremes judging by this leaked draft billboard http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1t9941&s=4
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I am so underwhelmed.
Kiwibank – a chance to get a local bank up and running so that profits are kept local and not spread around Sydney.
Kiwisaver – our rates of saving are horrendous. This is the best try yet to get kiwis to save for their future. The funds will be available for superannuation and first homes, how noble can you get.
Kiwirail – it should never have been sold. Buying it back is the only option. When oil runs out it will be worth every cent. The original decision to sell was really stupid and if you want to have a go at anyone you should have a go at Bolger and Faye and Richwhite.
Kiwipassport – this really is a laugh. It is a scandal before the facts have come out.
What about this as an alternative?
Keywirail – thanks for the chance to make some $ and by the way I owned 50k oops 100k shares.
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
EEEWWWWWWW See tonights Labour ad on tv?
Vote:Very very American… puts John Key down all the time.
Time to pull out the big guns Mr Key. And there’s a shit load of real photos of Helen that could be used.
There’s ya first ad right there.
Trust this person or that person…… same person…. different looks…. major different looks!!
October 18th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
AND AND AND!!!!!
Vote:They abuse John yet have the cheek to use HER new photoshop photo!!!!!
FFS!!!!!
All about TRUST????? My fluffy old arse!!!
October 18th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Oh dear
Please ignore every campaign photograph put out by either side.
Concentrate on the policy. On Labour’s side you will have many, many reports about the next 20+ years. For instance in the area of climate change you will find transport projections for the next 30 years, and for power production you will find solid plans for the next 20 years.
On National’s side you will have …
I am still not sure.
If you get upset about Labour continuously talking about flip flops by Key it is because … he keeps flip flopping. His stance on the Maori seats this week is a classic example.
Policy debate anyone?
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Oh Micky do Micky doooo…..
Vote:What a lot of crap.
First. Labour want truth.
2nd. Labour put out a billboard for the 2nd election with an alien as their leader. (well not her so not true).
3rd. The Maori seats Key has done no flip flop at all.
4th. power production yet you fuckers won’t let us use so much coal that will last us a life time. But instead make us suffer thanks to s s s s s s s s s s s sustainability???? However… it’s ok to dig it up and let China use it??? How fucked is that?
October 18th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
mickysavage – sure. start a policy debate on your own blog. once the tumbleweeds clear there may be a commenter or two. or not.
the discussion here is about the billboard – which suggests that Labour took cash donations in return for ministerial strong-arming to grant a Kiwi passport, against the advice of immigration officials. Made worse, of course, because Labour MP’s would have been advised of the subject’s less-than-squeeky clean police record.
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
How could anyone in their right mind trust Klark and her lying cohorts?This government is total fiasco. Talk about lost the plot.
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Michaels
You prefer global warming do you? Lets do nothing and let the earth go to hell in a hand basket. Please advise me on how I am going to justify this to my grandkids.
getstaffed
Got any proof that any of this is true?
The discussion is also about Kiwirail which is on the billboard. I thought that Keywirail was quite a good addition.
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Ah, I see the rationale for Mikhael getting fucked over on the Rail deal – Labour needed a third Kiwixxx to put on the election billboard. Focus groups told them a list of three was more compelling…
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Micky do, think about it for just one moment……
Vote:You fucktards think there is this thing called global warming.
Now if you really…. and I mean REALLY want to do something about it, wouldn’t you stop coal mining????
Lets just start there without getting things confused.
Dig for coal…..
Sell it….
Make money?
October 18th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Given the current banking crises and Cullen’s predilection to repurchasing assets we should watch for Cullen to announce the purchase of the BNZ in the next couple of weeks. He is playing a game with the banks and NAB have been caught short so may well be disposed to sell BNZ.
Vote:Sound far fetched? Well only a couple of weeks back there was a rumour that said just that.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
MICKEYSAVAGE – i think its called “climate change” now… that way no matter what happens, they can blame us.
like the increase in ince in the north pole.. its not global warming! its climate change! ya cen never be wrong that way
but good to see ya sucked in by socialist bullshit.
as for the scandal- wheres the idiot teacher paul?? he spent 8 hours on here yesterday bragging how no media have picked up the story.. and yet there are plenty of links on google news
personally, im stoked shane jones is involved.. i have a huge dislike for that arrogant prick.
Vote:October 18th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
mickysavage,
Firstly, why shouldn’t we have sold the railways? By 1989 large operating losses and resulting debt interest was at $1.2 billion for New Zealand Rail Corp.
Vote:Can you also please elaborate as to why Kiwirail will somehow save us when oil runs out and how paying a premium over market value to buy it (when it was likely no-one else would bid for it) was the way to go? Last time I checked most of the network is still reliant on diesel.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
V…….
Vote:One point…. We wont be running out of oil.
However, dig that coal and open up 5 new power plants and also power those trains!!!
WHOO HOO!! choo choo.
October 18th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
“Kiwibank
“KiwiSaver
“KiwiRail
“KEEP IT KIWI – VOTE LABOUR”
The far-left that controls the modern Labour party is brazenly attempting to define “Kiwi” as “Socialism”!
This serves only far-left politicians and hordes of bureaucrats, not New Zealanders or the free market – or lower prices.
It’s not socialists that have made this country what it is, just working New Zealanders exercising entrepreneurship and freedom. Nothing to do with government at all.
“Keep it Kiwi” means “keep running failed enterprises that require taxing unwilling people just to keep them afloat.” Irrational, wasteful, indulgent, ideologically motivated garbage.
If government could create wealth they’d be handing that out to beneficiaries. Instead, as we know, all they can do is offer to redistribute the wealth created by working Kiwis. What a self-serving racket government is in the hands of leftists.
Vote:October 19th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Nationals ads, all about policy and prospects.
Labours ads, all about National
And so overwhelmingly negative
Vote:October 19th, 2008 at 1:16 am
Like leader, like party, like ads.
Vote:October 19th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Attack ads are only effective when either [1] the attacker has a clear poll lead or [2] there is a sizable swing voter segment.
I presume Labour’s ad agency glossed over this established advertising principle in its ardent desire to pander to Clark’s instinctively feral psychology whilst racking up the good old billable hours.
Vote:October 19th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Labour is indeed for sale.
Has to raise that $800,000 from somewhere this time around.
Vote:October 19th, 2008 at 8:07 am
> Focus groups told them a list of three was more compelling.
Are you sure it wasn’t a case of focus groups telling them the average Labour voter might be unlikely to reach the bottom of a list with four or more ‘Kiwis’?
Vote:October 19th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
There is no point trying to appeal to lefties at an intellectual level, so for all you leftie simpletons, Labour are SCUM
and for those with marginally more grey matter than required to tie your shoelaces, they are concentrated, unadulterated, pure, vomit inducing, bottom feeding, parasitic SCUM
It saddens me to note that despite the will of the people who can still think for themselves, these festering piles of feces will be back at the helm on Nov 9
I feel for you who remain to suffer
Vote:October 19th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I am pleased this billboard is here as there are some myths on 2 of the issues I would like to discuss.
1) Kiwibank is not the only New Zealand owned bank. TSB was a bank and available for all to use with postshops acting as its agency outside of Taranaki. Now it has branches throughout New Zealand. It is owned by a community organisation which returns development money to the Community. Now we also have SBS banking. As it is run like a buiding society, its customers are its sharholders and have a say on its management and profits. Hence people who dislike Foreign owned banks and their tendency to move profits offshore have always had alternatives in the private sector.
Kiwibank may report a profit, however it comes at the expense of NZ post. NZ Post provide the buildings for branches, the people behind the counter and other costs of running the bank. Last time I heard, NZ post were struggling to make a profit and Kiwibank was a large expense it was struggling to cover. So next time the cost of stamps increases, consider it additional tax for running Kiwibank. Anecdotally, I have heard people get better service at the 2 examples mentioned above.
2) Kiwirail.
We already owned the tracks and the rail corridors. What the government bought were the locomotives, rolling stock and the workshops in Dunedin and Wellington. They even gave the freight forwarding business back to toll (probably the sharp end of the business) The problem is, that it is all old, rusting and in need of regular maintenance work to keep it working. Transmetro in Wellington still uses railcars that are more than 50 years old. The cost of purchase was exponentially too much. Toll may have been wanting to sell it, but realistically who would have bought it? If this government really had experience in the business and financial world, the would have negotiated a far better price for a start.
Fundamentally though, NZ is geographically a difficult country for railways. The hilly terrain is obstructive and tracks are costly to lay and maintain. We have a narrow gauge (1.067M) railway to circumnavigate the large bends. Consequently it is profoundly slow. The next problem is that there is insufficient volume of freight to justify more than a handful of lines. Go to your public library and look in the history and transport sections. You will find that NZ once had multiple lines up and down the country. However, since the 1950s, the railways have been in decline and lines gradually closed. Most lost money and could not justify their existance. With railways running only in a few corridors, transport of goods by road to the rails and to their ultimate destination is still required. For these reasons, only a few bulk products are suitable for railfreight.
Up until the late 1980s railways always ran at huge losses which had to be covered by higher taxes and borrowings (hence my taxes now). The reality was that with cheaper road transport, owning the railways was no longer in our best interests. Even when it was privately owned, it struggled to make a profit. Why JK wanted to own shares in Tranzrail in the first place beggers belief. Losing money on his shareholding should teach him a lesson there. Now our Pinko government thinks it will be a means to reduce greenhouse admissions. The reality is they will run it as a loss for the poor taxpayer to fund. Essentially it will strip more assests off us by owning it than if we just sold it at a loss to get rid of it liability.
Continuing on with railways, it may seem like a positive initiative to electrify the Auckland rail system. Right now they should just concentrate on getting it to run on time and to schedule. Before electrifying it, we need to improve Auckland’s electricity infrastructure. We need improved transmission to Auckland and more power stations. If not, it will create a bottleneck to electricity consumption in Auckland which would increase the inflation on electricity bills (John Key pointed this out in the leader’s debate for all those pinkos who were not listening). The reality is that in the short term, the electricity would come from burning fossil fuels. With natural loss of electricity in transmission, it would be more carbon friendly to run diesel units until sufficient renewable energy sources are commissioned.
I will save Kiwisave for another day. This is too much info for the average Pinko to take on board.
Vote:October 23rd, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Auntie Helen and Cullen were trying to position themselves for the next election.Cullen bought the trains because Helen Clark thought that the main focus for this next election would be the environment and buying local. They pushed through the ETS which will give this government up to 22 billion more income costing each family 2000.00 more a year. Cullen paid for the trains without his money, our money, for 5 times their worth. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I accepted such a loosing proposition as that. The Wall Street collapse that ripped throughout the world was totally unexpected and the economy overshadowed all this propoganda that Labour is dishing out. What does Helen do? Goes out and buys 40 million dollars of land. And now the books show deficit for the next 10 years. New Zealand can’t afford a university lecturer and a history major to run this country for the next 3 years. I think the mass exodus will triple for fear a collapsed government because business will leave and there won’t be anything holding this country together except for the beneficiaries.
Vote:October 23rd, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Mike Savage, when New Zealand is 2nd highest in violent crimes, second to the US, in the OECD and New Zealand contributes .3 of one percent of pollution in this world, Your right, I could care less about the global warming because it won’t be stopped if it indeed exists. There is plenty of numbers refuting your claim. If you lied in the alley way with a knife in your back bleeding to death, would you really care about global warming? Because these laws are so soft on criminals, I fear for my family.
Vote:There are more pressing matters and you Helengrad people walk around like zombies repeating what your social engineering leader says without thinking.