Some answers to the 12 questions

October 31st, 2008 at 6:38 am by David Farrar

Did Helen not notice her party president – the Labour Party Campaign Chair and Manager, was out of the country trying to dig up dirt on John Key from 20 years ago?

Yes – she has confirmed she knew what Williams was up to.

Did no one notice he was absent from the daily campaign meetings he normally chairs?

Possibly not, since Helen appointed herself chief political strategist instead of Mike.

Why were taxpayer funded members of Labour’s Parliamentary Research Unit also in Australia with trying to smear John Key?

Helen says none of them flew over, but they were assisting Williams.

Who paid for all their travel?

Well either Helen or Williams are lying here. Helen says WIlliams paid himself. Williams says the Labour Party paid.

Does the head of the research unit still report unofficially to Heather Simpson?

Yes. And there is no way they would have been authorised to work on the smear campaign without Heather’s sign off.

Is the Batman who posted documents anonymously to Dominion Post reporters the same Batman who is an author on The Standard and posted on the earlier this month?

Yes.

Why did The Standard delete the previous post from Batman?

They did not delete it, but changed it from being an author to being a guest post and put up a disclaimer that they do not know who Batman is.

Does this not link The Standard to Mike Williams and the Labour Parliamentary Research Unit?

They claim they do not know who Batman is (despite giving him or her posting rights temporarily).

Is it not time that Labour fronted up and revealed how many of the 15 Standard authors are parliamentary and ministerial staffers?

And is Batman one of them?

Who from Labour told Winston about the smear so he could refer to it on Alt TV?

My guess is Pete Hodgson

Doesn’t it undermine Helen’s claim she had nothing to do with it, when her parliamentary strategist Pete Hodgson is trying to beat it up?

And continues to try and beat it up.

Is Helen just pretending she knew nothing about the attempted smear, or has she lost control of her party, her party president and her own research unit?

I don’t think she has lost control. She is in contact six times a day with Mike Williams. If it had not blown up in their face, she would be fronting the issue.

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58 Responses to “Some answers to the 12 questions”

  1. DamnedAngry (242 comments) says:

    Maybe Philu knows more? Hello Philu, this Robin calling….are you out there???

    Philu responds: Come on, Robin, to the Bat Cave! There’s not a moment to lose!

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  2. DamnedAngry (242 comments) says:

    Holy strawberries Batman! We’re in a jam!

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  3. dad4justice (7,898 comments) says:

    This Batman is not playing by Bat rules contained in the superhero manual. I will ask the incredible hulk to find and destroy this devious creep.

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  4. Chicken Little (793 comments) says:

    Scurry, scurry little moles
    Go back down your deep dark holes
    scratching, sniffing in the dirt
    peeking coyly from under her skirt

    Oppenheimer you thought you were
    but in the end it was just another slur
    Now you’re just fools in a bind
    because everyone know that moles are blind

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  5. Lindsay Addie (1,141 comments) says:

    In short they’re pack of unadulterated liars!

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  6. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,819 comments) says:

    I don’t think she has lost control.

    Hels is doing a damn fine impression of losing control then.

    Too bad her little fall in Christchurch isn’t up on You Tube. I’ll have to be content with Hels concession speech on 8 November. There will be sour grapes!! :D

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  7. dad4justice (7,898 comments) says:

    Why does Aunty Hell seem very nervous when she is in Christchurch dear Peter?

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  8. Lindsay Addie (1,141 comments) says:

    Re the anonymous source who supposedly tipped Labour off. Whose side was this person really on?

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  9. coventry (316 comments) says:

    Perhaps Batman was Owen Glenn, just rewarding Mike & Helen for their previous efforts.

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  10. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    OECD – for your viewing pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL7o8p8eLGw :)

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  11. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    OECD – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL7o8p8eLGw

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  12. DamnedAngry (242 comments) says:

    I have it on good authority that the ‘Batman’ involved in this scurilous slander, is in fact an IMPOSTER!!!

    Riddle me this…he’s really the J_K_R!

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  13. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    So, in the last few weeks the lefty trolls, such as Sonic and Nome, have been absent, have recently come back, and are now quiet again.

    Were they in Melbourne perhaps?

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  14. DamnedAngry (242 comments) says:

    Save that YouTube clip and then put it on auto-repeat…man it’s so damned funny.

    Lucky that the guy whose arm she grabbed wasn’t still facing her, otherwise she might have gotten a handfull of DICK! First time for everything I guess…

    Just a thought…was she PISSED??? Might be knocking a few back with everything turning to shit around her :)

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  15. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    If Sonik and Knome are in fact commie research/spin eejitss then they have royally fucked up and must be on the faaaast track to redundancy. No $2000 for them, unless they are life partners!

    LOL.

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  16. bringbackthebiff (106 comments) says:

    Maybe she didn’t fall but was looking for her poll rating. More likely as she went down in a hurry, she heard there was dirt on John Key on the floor and she couldn’t deploy Mike Williams as he was too busy looking elsewhere (at her request)

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  17. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    I could watch that clip all day long!

    Remember how often the MSM ran the clip of Don Brash getting into a stock car or going on the gangplank to get onto the Earthrace boat?

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  18. Lindsay Addie (1,141 comments) says:

    Why don’t the MSM get off their arses and find H2 and start asking her some questions?

    She’ll know the answers.

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  19. Spam (595 comments) says:

    She is trying the ‘smear without smearing’ line: “I think there are still questions to answer”. She claims that she has nothing to do with it, yet is fully supportive of it.

    So why is she doing this? She doesn’t want to say that she endorses it, because then it looks like she is the Prime Muckraker. Yet she is certainly not condeming it, because she thinks there are “still questions to answer”.

    Strong leadership, Helen?
    Trust, Helen?

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  20. DamnedAngry (242 comments) says:

    Hey slightlyrighty, I bet the MSM don’t do to our clumsy, soon to be gone leader what they did to Brash and play that clip over and over.

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  21. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    Two final questions

    Question: If National was aware that a senior Labour MP had involvement in past criminal activities would they make further inquiries into it?

    Answer: Of course they would

    Question: Have they made a song and dance about historical activity by a Labour MP?

    Answer: Just ask Benson-Pope.

    This is not a scandal. It is a beat up so that people will feel sorry for Key and not think that it may actually not be a good idea to put an ex money trader, whose type has brought the world’s economy to its knees, in charge of their country.

    [DPF: You are so wrong. Take Benson-Pope. No Nat MP did digging on this, let alone fly to another country and bring back 20 kgs of documents. Former pupils of DBP who were bullied by him approached National MPs as they were aghast he was promoting an anti-bullying campaign.]

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  22. Lindsay Addie (1,141 comments) says:

    mickysavage,

    To be dead serious about this nonsense for a moment.

    It’s about political management. Labour have blown it not because they were looking for something on Key it’s because they didn’t keep the lid on the whole thing before they were certain they had their facts straight. It was also silly of Peters to go around blabbering about this days ago. The whole thing is just plain dumb politicking a week out from election day.

    That is messy politics and bear in mind that the NZ voter doesn’t normally like smear politics.

    To answer your question, yes if National had something juicy on Labour yes they would research it. But they’d hope they could manage it better than Labour has handled this nonsense.

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  23. Don the Kiwi (1,634 comments) says:

    Well mickeysavage. If Mikhail Kullen and Heilen Klark had learnt how to money trade, maybe the coutry wouldn’t be in the shit is is now.
    The best market conditions in history over the past nine years – huge surplusses – and they still fucked up.

    Give us a break and crawl back under your rock.

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  24. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi

    Lowest unemployment rate in the western world, significant repayment of debt, 25% increase in the real value of wages, $14b in the Cullen super fund.

    Sounds to me like they have actually done quite well.

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  25. Doug (407 comments) says:

    Mickysavage

    It was the US Govt meddling in the private sector that caused all the problems we face now.

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  26. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,819 comments) says:

    That You Tube video hits the sweet spot alright. Thanks getstaffed.

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  27. davidp (3,551 comments) says:

    >It is a beat up so that people will feel sorry for Key

    Why would Williams, Clark, Hodgson, Peters, and The Standard want people to feel sorry for Key? Are they all sleeper agents of the VRWC? If so, couldn’t the VRWC hire sleeper agents who made more sense, and who don’t want to deport all asian people?

    I contrast this badly sourced smear with the West Coast Labour MP thing that Whaleoil was trying to develop a month ago. That didn’t make it further than a few blogs hinting that there might be a story needing followup. No traditional media carried the story. National didn’t run with the story. And Poneke condemned Whaleoil. Whereas this smear, despite being supported by no evidence, was picked up by the media. Who come out of it looking like gullible fools, to an extent softened by the slight change of tone of their later stories. And the people behind the smear aren’t a blogger, but the MP, her foreign affairs minister, and a large chunk of the Labour Party. So Clark and Williams are sort of left wing Whaleoils, but probably less reliable when it comes to evaluating scandal.

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  28. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Mickey,

    Again, the socialist Clinton administration started the credit boom in the western world, Mikhael propogated it here via the reserve bank.

    Money traders are elevated barrow boys, they buy and sell what people want. Simple.

    You are obviously very removed from tthe coal face, perhaps ensconced in an airconditioned office creating media concepts to entice more poor people to stump up union ‘dues’ so your type can remain soft handed and un-tanned.

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  29. petal (705 comments) says:

    “They did not delete it, but changed it from being an author to being a guest post and put up a disclaimer that they do not know who Batman is”

    So let me get this right. The Standard is a blogging system where people who are not already known to the blog writers AND administrators can add a post?

    Does this not suggest there is an even higher authority? If I run and/or admin a blog, and someone unknown registers into the blog and posts, does this not mean I am not really the blog owner?

    This is very, very odd, and continues to suggest that the Standard is not actually controlled by the people who appear to do so in public.

    Which, once again, begs the question: who is behind that blog, who pays for it, who owns it, who selects the contributors?

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  30. Bok (740 comments) says:

    please, please can we bring back the professional liar rogernome and the sonic, I mean mickeysavage is good for a laugh but the real comedy has gone out of the efforts of troll central. A man need a good belly laugh with his first coffee. It set up the day.

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  31. Don the Kiwi (1,634 comments) says:

    mickeysavage.

    Unemployed transferred to sickness benefits to deflect the reality,massive increase in bureaucracy and welfare dependants so that govt. paid people now outnumber working people, huge losses of population to Australia and replaced by refugees and unskilled workers all on the benefit………….

    Yeah, they’ve done pretty well alright :-(

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  32. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    I agrree with BOK.

    Where are the Professional losers?

    Ah, thats rght – getting their arses kicked down lamton quay by H2.

    LOL

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  33. coventry (316 comments) says:

    Yes, can someone please re-mix that video, play the fall over & over again and do it to say “Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm” – Crash Test Dummies.

    Once there was this kid who
    Got into a fiscal accident and couldn’t come to work
    But when he finally came back
    His hair had turned from black into bright white [Is this verse about Mihail Kullen ?]
    He said that it was from when
    The economy had smashed so hard

    Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
    Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm

    Once there was this girl who
    Wouldn’t go and change with the girls in the change room [when will she take the hint and take a prolonged OE]
    But when they finally made her
    They saw teethmarks all over her body [does that lap dog Mallard pack a bite ?]
    She couldn’t quite explain it [As always, deny deny deny ]
    They’d always just been there [A verse about Hellun, obviously pre-Photo Shop release]

    Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
    Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm

    But both girl and boy were glad
    ‘Cause one kid had it worse than that [Winston ?]

    ‘Cause then there was this boy whose
    Parents made him come directly home right after school
    And when they went to their church
    They shook and lurched all over the church floor [Nope not Winston, sounds like Pope Tamaki]
    He couldn’t quite explain it
    They’d always just gone there

    Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
    Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm

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  34. adamsmith1922 (889 comments) says:

    On Holmes this morning she was talking the smear up as if it was all initiated by NZ Herald

    http://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/9122/

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  35. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    Mickey,

    If the Nats did want to get info on criminal activities by Labour, they could easily find it and not have to go back 20 years!

    Pledge card?
    Painter gate?

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  36. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    that wasnt hulun though, quite obviously too young. if h1 had crash landed like that she would have done a hip.

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  37. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Oh my o my – have labour really burnt aall bridges with the press now.

    LOL

    fucktards

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  38. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    getstaffed

    Thanks so much for the link to the clip re Helen’s tumble
    I looked for it last night in the MSM but it was mysteriously unavailable.

    Was that wrong of me do you think?
    I told my husband Helen had taken a fall

    His first response:
    That woman will do anything to gain a bit of sympathy

    His second response:
    He had wondered if per chance a large train had been following her at the time

    Personally I will tuck this one away and watch on election night over and over
    if the unthinkable happens.

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  39. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    was that really hulun? oh my god!

    I honestly thought it was a piss take!

    H1 tries to mix it with the workers at a cafe a la photo shoot and face plants.

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  40. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    It is pleasant, when the sea is high and the winds are dashing the waves about, to watch from the shores the struggles of another – Lucretius

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  41. PinkGina (95 comments) says:

    “Who paid for all their travel?

    Well either Helen or Williams are lying here. Helen says WIlliams paid himself. Williams says the Labour Party paid.”

    Clark on Holmes this morning said that Williams told her yesterday thaft the Labour Party reimbursed his costs

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  42. alex Masterley (1,495 comments) says:

    Helens tumble appeareed a number of times on the TV1 breakfast show this morning. For some reason Paul Henry thought it was quite amusing.
    So did I.

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  43. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,819 comments) says:

    That “Helen Clark Takes a Tumble” video really is must see TV. :D

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  44. davidp (3,551 comments) says:

    >Clark on Holmes this morning said that Williams told her yesterday thaft the Labour Party reimbursed his costs

    So it’ll be included in their electoral spending limits?

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  45. PinkGina (95 comments) says:

    One would hope so davidp

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  46. DamnedAngry (242 comments) says:

    That Paul Henry has got a really sick sense of humour…my kind of guy :)

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  47. double d (225 comments) says:

    does it make me a bad person to LOL at the video.

    And why did the entire office crowd around my desk and actually clap the video ……

    And why did that nice man in flouorescent jacket not even offer a helping hand

    And why does no-one ever ask hels hard questions?

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  48. Chthoniid (2,029 comments) says:

    Lowest unemployment rate in the western world, significant repayment of debt, 25% increase in the real value of wages, $14b in the Cullen super fund.

    Sounds to me like they have actually done quite well.

    Unemployment was already tracking down and wages up prior to the election. This just continued a trend began in the early 90s. It was aided by a rather benign economic environment. When an economy grows, employment and wages go up.

    In terms of debt, the hard yards on this had been done by Birch. The reduction in public sector debt however, has not been mirrored by the private sector. This is symptomatic of the worst current account deficits since the early 80s. Running an over-heated doemstic economy has caused the export sector to suffer- Labour has managed the unqiue feat of achieving net deforestation. A housing bubble abetted by the Government led to expanded consumption on credit against property values, widening the import-export gap.

    Productivity growth rates have slowed, leading to the inevitable consequence of widening wage gaps with other OECD countries and slippage in our position. This is despite the policies launched in 2000 to increase this rate. These plans were quickly abandoned after contact with the real economy, and we now have less ability to cope with recession.

    The Cullen super plan deserves some qualified support, but it is largely a bandaid for trying to deal with exploding private sector debt and an economic environment that punished savers and rewarded property speculators.

    Inflation has rarely been within the original 0-2% band advocated for stable prices. We have had the highest interest rates in the OECD, contributing to the lack of investment, poor capital accumulation, low productivity growth and finally, a widening wage gap with Australia. Power prices have also leaped damatically, hindering many other exporters.

    The tragedy is that Cullen and Co weren’t good economic managers. Rather they just strategically made as many segments of society as they could bribe, clients of the Government. They had the best economic conditions any Government has enjoyed in the post-war period, and managed to blow their chance to do use that for permanent gain.

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  49. ross (1,454 comments) says:

    > Question: Have they made a song and dance about historical activity by a Labour MP? Answer: Just ask Benson-Pope.

    Don’t you mean, just ask the police? They did, after all, find evidence that Benson-Pope had abused kids. I guess abusing kids pales into comparison when winning an election is at stake.

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  50. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    Double d, a similar crowd in my office watching this morning – one of which called out “where’s a cliff when you want one”

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  51. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    Yeh!!

    Two died in the wool Labour supporters have rung NewstalkZb this morning to say
    purely because of Helen’s muck raking they are now voting two ticks National

    Way to go guys!

    How many others will do the same?

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  52. big bruv (13,454 comments) says:

    Landslide on its way!

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  53. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    double d

    “A man may fall many times, but he won’t be a failure until he says that someone pushed him.”

    How long will it before Helen tells everyone that that unhelpful man in the flouorescent jacket really pushed her?

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  54. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    I can’t help but feel that all this muck raking is having an effect also. I just did a quick review of the character polls that have been running on the Herald site and the results are below.

    Poll:
    Teach your children: Key 53% – Clark 12%
    Should Helen work with Peters: Yes 24% – NO 76%
    Who would help an old lady across the road: Key 34% – Clark 12%
    Stranded on a desert island with: Key 40% – Clark 15%
    Most likely to change a nappy: Key 36% – Clark 6%
    Most likely to shout at home: Key 10% – Clark 42%
    Most likely to call noise control on you: Key 8% – Clark 36%

    Yes, I know they aren’t scientific and there could be a number of reasons for such a slant, but if they are even a rough reflection of people’s feelings then Labour could really be in for a bloodbath on Saturday.

    Especially when you take into account the Tauranga Boys High vote (so prominantly talked up by the media- until the result came out) of a 70+% to about 16% in favour of National.

    I don’t know how this squares with the preffered Prime Minister stakes at present as it seems a real anomoly to that poll. Maybe these polls are a reflection of peoples feelings about Clark but that doesn’t impact on how they perceive she can the job, which is reflected in the more scientific polls?

    Maybe Labour supporters either don’t read the Herald online or don’t participate in these polls but that would seem too weird an explanation.

    Perhaps the anonymity of the Herald polls is a factor and they are quite accurate?

    The only real conclusion that can be drawn is that the vaste majority of Herald poll takers do not like Helen Clark as a person.

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  55. PhilBest (5,117 comments) says:

    “Mickey Savage” is a prize dickhead. Not only would the MSM be condemning the Nats for dirty behaviour if they were digging dirt on Helen’s pre-parliamentary background, the MSM would be condemning, and has in the past condemned, ANYONE who dares to dig dirt on Helen and her colleagues. And HE KNOWS IT.

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  56. Hagues (711 comments) says:

    UPDATE on video….

    This link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2mQv8NBCI8 has longer footage, including slow motion replay!!! Also doesn’t have talking over the top so you can hear the slap on the ground.

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  57. baxter (893 comments) says:

    The bar was crowded with Liabour academics

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  58. WallyAnchor (9 comments) says:

    “Why were taxpayer funded members of Labour’s Parliamentary Research Unit also in Australia with Mike Williams trying to smear John Key?

    Helen says none of them flew over, but they were assisting Williams.”

    did they swim?

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