Two questions for the Greens
October 29th, 2008 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar1) You have said you will not support a National-led Government, but also have said this does not mean you will automatically support a Labour-led Government. What will you do if you hold the balance of power and can not agree with Labour – will you force a new election, or will you abstain on supply and confidence and allow the biggest party/bloc to form a Government?
2) Several Green MPs have said they are not keen to work with Winston, and would have problems doing so. Having campaigned so long and hard of transparency of donations, and bearing in mind the finding of the Privileges Committee, that Winston lied about the $100,000 Owen Glenn donation, will the Greens rule out supporting a Labour-led Government that continues to have Winston Peters as a Minister?
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October 29th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
After your dishonest ‘green ban list’, do you really expect an answer to your ‘two questions for the Greens?’
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Given that Comrade’s Bradford (the next co leader) Locke and Norman would rather eat glass than support a National govt and given the Greens proven disdain for democracy they will do any deal to ensure the Nat’s cannot form a govt.
If that means they have to work with Winston (and who really believes that they have a problem with him anyway, the Greens are desperate to grab a share of the baubles and will tell any amount of lies to gain a few seats at the cabinet table) then they will do so.
The Greens would rather force another election than let the Nat’s govern.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
The Green’s will just check with Labour and get back to you real soon with their answers.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Greens, Greens, how you love to talk about the Greens! The Greens this, the Greens that. What do the Greens think? What will the Greens do? A little ‘green’ are we?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
The answer to both these questions is the same DPF. Actually, I’ve answered the second one before.
It is that both these issues would be up to a Special General Meeting of the Green Party to decide.
Jeanette and Russel cannot totally rule out the possibility of working in Government with Winston because according to Green Party rules it is not their decision to make. Nor is whether to abstain on confidence and supply and allow a National-led Government if an agreement cannot be reached with Labour in the event of the Greens holding the balance of power. I don’t think the latter circumstance is likely in any case. Labour would swallow all manner of dead rats in order to hold onto Government, and the Greens will recognise that in economic recession some of our bigger-ticket expenditure items might have to be phased in more slowly or put on hold.
And before someone asks, no, I’m not going to speculate on which ones.
[DPF: Thanks. My reading between the lines is Winston can't be ruled out as a Minister in a Labour-Green-NZ First Government and that Labour don't have to concede anything to the Greens as at the end of the day the Greens will have to vote supply and confidence to Labour rather than let National form a Government - all subject to the members of course]
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Ah good old sulking eh greenfly, sure as shit easier than answering impertinent questions from voters isn’t it.
We’ll let you get back to that important bending over and taking it from Helen.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
greenfly – Seems that you’re trying to re-define honesty to be anything in agreement with Green ideology, and dishonesty as anything to the contrary.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
greenfly – youd go well working with obama!
my god.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
sulking! Ha! Fascinated by your fascination with anything green, Murray! getstaffed – you found the list to be an honest one? That must have taken a sterling suspension of belief on your part – well done! Dime – thank you! (and I certainly can’t accept your indication of divine status – I’m a mere mortal.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
My what now?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
no matter how this gos down the New Zealand public will be the losers but personally i think john key is nothing but a crim ask yourself this why hasnt the news picked up on the story below,are we being kept in the dark,is it possible key can control the media,if so what else is being kept from the public want some answers (infowars.com)or( uncensored magazine)we are all been lied to please think outside the box(tv and papers are propaganda tools)
BY PENNY BRIGHt
5 October 2008
Just before 5pm Friday 3 October 2008, I lodged a formal complaint
with the Serious Fraud Office about National Party leader John Key’s
failure to declare his pecuniary interest in Tranz Rail shares at a
time it was an ‘Item of
Business’ before Parliament.
A complaint will be similarly lodged with the Police, on the same
grounds – which are attached to this email, for your information and
consideration.
As all evidence I have provided is in the ‘public domain’, and there
Vote:has been considerable media coverage and public interest in the recent
Privileges Committee deliberations and Report on ‘Members Pecuniary
Interests – Gifts and Donations’, interests of ‘open, transparent
and democratically accountable’ government – I am making details of
this complaint public. (more…)go to uncensored site nz
October 29th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
>John Key’s failure to declare his pecuniary interest in Tranz Rail shares at a time it was an ‘Item of Business’ before Parliament.
Both Clark and Cullen make decisions that effect the housing market while owning houses. Many houses in Clark’s case. They should excuse themselves from decisions such as those dealing with the support of banks that might hold too many dodgy mortgages. But they don’t, so maybe you should report them to the SFO and the Police too.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
hahah jastowns it would have been sensible to first find out what serious and complex fraud means, no? As you wiffle, your complaint has been received, printed out, folded into a small square of approximately 4mm thick, and is being used to take the rock out of the lunchroom table.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Whether Mr. Farrar’s list of bans was accurate or not is hardly the question. It is widely known that the Watermelons are extreme leftists with the usual ambitions to control us and make government bigger, and who have chosen to make a Trojan horse of the environment movement in an attempt to achieve that control. If they ever desired to gain any real credence or integrity they would in the very first place, leave our children alone, and cease the Nazi like indoctrination of the young and impressionable that they implement in our school system.
Its the only way they can get any political traction of course. The only people gullible enough to fall for their propaganda and scare mongering are spotty faced ignorant and angst ridden youth, whereas mature adults with any degree of sophistication can see through their lies immediately, and know that their real motivation is power and to get their noses into the taxpayer funded trough.
I have nothing but contempt for the Watermelons on many levels, but none more so than for their predatory attacks on our youth.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
greenfly,
You lot really don’t like close scrutiny do you?
The reason the Greens get talked about here as often as they do is because most of us think your a bunch of closet far-left extremists who should never be allowed anywhere near real political power.
Exposing the Greens is therefore the patriotic duty of good people like David.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
“Just before 5pm Friday 3 October 2008, I lodged a formal complaint
with the Serious Fraud Office about National Party leader John Key’s
failure to declare his pecuniary interest in Tranz Rail shares at a
time it was an ‘Item of
Business’ before Parliament.”
What about Jeanette McDonald holding shares in environmental development companies while using every degree of political leverage she can obtain to thrust alternative energy options upon unwilling NZers? Any concerns there have you, you illiterate half educated numbskull??
Or what about the questions Mr. Farrar asks above? If you are so concerned with what you perceive as corruption in parliament, what is your view on the Watermelons being part of a government that includes Winston Peters? Answer the questions please sleazebag.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
“Whether Mr. Farrar’s list of bans was accurate or not is hardly the question”
You have gotta love Right-Wing Logic
David is asking all of these questions cos he is thinking of voting Green, that must be it!
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
“It is widely known that ___” = “it is Redbaiter’s opinion that ___”.
Nothing new there, Sonic. It is our right-wing prejudices and stereotypes that matter. I’m surprised you’d even bother to go there! Baiter’s good sport though isn’t he?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
If I was one of the serious right-wingers around here I’d be holding my head in my hands every time he posted.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
It will go the same way as it always does….
The Greens will claim to have considered it at length with the membership, engaged in spirited arguments, then hold a press conference stating they haven’t yet arrived at a decision, then hold another press conference saying that while they’re not happy with every aspect, they have on balance, decided to….
…do whatever Helen wants.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Lee – on the contrary, I think the Greens are revelling in the ‘close scrutiny’ the good Mr Farrar is facilitating here. I’m just amazed and, I suppose, flattered by it all! By the way, you read Frogs swift answer to Farrar’s questions no doubt? Hardly dodging the issue, was he. The over stimulated posters here seem to have overlooked Frog’s response though … curious…
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Sonic
” I’d be holding my head in my hands every time he posted.”
As apposed to your cock as per normal?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
“posters here seemed to have overlooked Frog’s response though … curious…”
Not curious at all. Like most leftists, he did not answer the questions, he only addressed them. (Socialist speak for spinelessly dodged them)
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
“some of our bigger-ticket expenditure items might have to be phased in more slowly or put on hold.
And before someone asks, no, I’m not going to speculate on which ones.”
Toad – I’m sure a capital gains tax and raising “rich pricks” taxes will be not be put on hold
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Lee
Comrade greenfly and co are not used to being asked the hard questions hence the petulant reply.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
davidp two wrongs make a right?
Vote:goodgod i find it funny that you think the corruption is a joke
redbaiter i agree with you and dont know why i am a sleazebag, one thing at a time john key will be pm why not start at the top
October 29th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Ah chronic, the answer to the McQuestion that no one fucking asked.
Taking some time off from some top level wanking to share your socialist dream with us once more. How kind.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Redbaiter
“he did not answer the questions, he only addressed them. (Socialist speak for spinelessly dodged them)”
It’s worse than that, the Greens have invented what I call “greenspeak” which means they use words like “encourage” when they really should be honest about their intentions.
DPF is dead right to use the word “Ban” as that is exactly what they want to do.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
“dont know why i am a sleazebag”
You’re a sleazebag because of your typically leftist propensity to smear rather than enter into any competition of ideas.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
“…leftist propensity to smear…”
Hold up, didn’t YOU just say “Whether Mr. Farrar’s list of [The Greens'] bans was accurate or not is hardly the question”
Is smearing only ok when a Right-winger does it, in your paranoid little world?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
“Is smearing only ok when a Right-winger does it, in your paranoid little world?”
You pathetic and contemptible weasel. When is slightly incorrect detail comparable with propaganda alleging fraud?? Only in the basket weaving sectors you frequent I guess.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
mike12 said:Toad – I’m sure a capital gains tax and raising “rich pricks” taxes will be not be put on hold
I would certainly hope the capital gains tax won’t be put on hold. It won’t raise a lot of revenue, but it will level the playing field to encourage investment in productive enterprise and employment rather than in property speculation. I would have thought that, given recent financial events and likely rising unemployment, even the righties would think that is a good idea.
The Greens have no policy to increase the top rate of income tax, so the “rich pricks” can feels safe from that possibility.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
redbaiter until you learn there is no left or right your a fool
Vote:both parties are owned and not by the nz people
October 29th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Toad
“The Greens have no policy to increase the top rate of income tax, so the “rich pricks” can feels safe from that possibility.”
Sorry Toad I just do not believe that, Jeannette and Comrade Bradford (why are you hiding her away?) have both said they are going to give more money to the bludgers so the question must be where is that money going to come from?.
Are you saying that the Greens will NOT raise taxes at all?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
“Are you saying that the Greens will NOT raise taxes at all?”
He would not ever say that. It is their solution to EVERY problem. Tax and regulate. Its all the Goebellian propagandists can ever come up with. ie- Capital gains tax to encourage blah blah blah- they’d never think of reducing taxes and regulations that disencourage investment in other areas. Fucken mindless socialist troglodytes.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Toad – Cap Gains Tax… the green only want to put this on housing? not shares?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
To their credit the Greens voted to censure WPeters after the Privileges Committee hearing. The same Winston refused to accept the censure of Parliament.
Will the Greens go into coalition with a proven liar? Or with Winston?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Murray, as usual, tells us far more about himself than he intended. And Bruv joins in.
And to think people say that some of the commentators on David’s site are as thick as mince, go figure?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
sonic – youre only here to start flame wars. you are banned!!!
ohhhh sorry, i thought i was you and this was the standard.. my bad
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
“And to think people say that some of the commentators on David’s site are as thick as mince, go figure?”
Yeah, and you’d be one of the commentators they’re talking about.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Sonic
I do hope that you will be brave enough to come and visit us here at Kiwiblog on the 9th of November, I am sure that there are many posters who would love to offer you some words of condolence given you will be facing at least nine years in opposition.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
no big bruv..
you are going to wake up to a lab/grm/mp/prog ‘gummint’..
..and for the forseeable future..
..haven’t you noticed yet..?
..that your ideology is bankrupt..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Did somebody say something?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
What IS that smell?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
“What IS that smell?”
Over-ripe watermelon.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
philu – serious question.. would you be happy with that result? a government consisting of 4 to 5 parties?
i know it hurts short term, but wouldnt you rather see a big clean out of the labour party? get some new blood in there?
like national in 2002…
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I think that is you Murray, as you realise that the only hope you beloved party has of getting into power is to do a deal with the Maori Party.
I’d go wash up if I was you.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Phool
“..that your ideology is bankrupt..?”
It’s not as it happens but it does beg the question as to how you could ever think YOUR ideology could ever work given that is have shown to be an abject failure time and time again.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
“I would certainly hope the capital gains tax won’t be put on hold. It won’t raise a lot of revenue, but it will level the playing field to encourage investment in productive enterprise and employment rather than in property speculation. ”
Toad
Vote:I am concerned about the above statement.
It suggests to me that, if on November 9th there is the slightest possibility of there being a L/G/NZ1/JA based government, I should immediately give notice to quit to my tenants and put my pension properties on the market. (Luckily I’ve owned them long enough that even a 30% drop in value won’t destroy any capital). This will put seven families, including sixteen under 13 year old children, out of their homes, but what the heck, if I don’t do it now I’ll have to do it later. After all, the state will have to build a vast number of accommodation blocks to house all the people that will be looking for a place to live, so as long as you’re quick about it there won’t be a problem. In the mean time, I’ll pop my money into bank term deposits in the UK, where there is, as yet, no expiry date on the nationalised bank’s deposit guarantee scheme.
Good policy – for someone, though I’m not quite sure who you were hoping to give benefit to!
October 29th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
I don’t have a beloved party shithead. Mindless adoration is for indocrinated socialists and drug users.
Damn, a redundancy.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Hey muzza. Are you still technically obese? Just thought i’d ask, ‘cos it’s coming in to summer, and you’re gonna need some consolation lovin’ after the election. Or are you just gonna console yourself with comfort food as per usual?
[DPF: 10 demerits off topic]
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
“Hey muzza. Are you still technically obese? Just thought i’d ask, ‘cos it’s coming in to summer, and you’re gonna need some consolation lovin’ after the election. Or are you just gonna console yourself with comfort food as per usual?”
What’s with the faux accent? Always so desperate to impress aren’t you? Schizoid loser.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
roger nome, you will need a straight jacket after the election, you nitwit.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
“I don’t have a beloved party shithead”
Exactly Murray, your constant bipartnership and willingness to see both sides of an issue are an inspiration to us all.
Can I also add you have a really well designed blog which is a must read for anyone interested in politics?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
And, you will need a round padded cell sonic.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
“Can I also add you have a really well designed blog which is a must read for anyone interested in politics?”
At least he doesn’t so weakly try to capitalize on the fame of others.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Another slow work day at the death star is it sonic? I guess since Hulun is personally running strategy you guys have been cut out of the loop.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
The Greens’ stock response to anything weather-related. Too much sun? “Global warming.” Too little sun? “Global warming.” Drought? “Global warming.” Floods? “Global warming.” Freezing cold? “Global warming.”
Forbes latest.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/1006/025.html
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I suppose I should feel flattered that people think I am some sort of professional political blogger. However given the delusional nature of those who allege it, it is just a wee bit sad.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
“I suppose I should feel flattered that people think I am some sort of professional political blogger.”
Why? There’s no esteem in working for the totalitarian left.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
weakbladder –
It was a pretty informal comment, thus the informal tone. You are an irredeemable moron though, so i’m not surprised that you failed to pick up on that.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Ah, the slow afternoon hours in the public service aye Sonic.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Who is “weakbladder” roger nome the golden shower expert?
[DPF: And that is 20 demerits. No golden showers on this blog please]
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Dad – even you aren’t that dense. Or am I being too generous?
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Why is dad4justice permitted to post nothing but abuse? Has he ever posted anything relevant to the topic?
Of course, anyone with 14 criminal convictions, time spent in prison, incarceration as a forensic patient under a Court directed Compulsory Mental Health Order, and over 200 Court Hearings and a daughter with serious behavioural problems as a result of his parenting may be just a little too unhinged to be allowed a computer.
[DPF: Please provide proof of those allegations to me, or I will have to delete it as defamatory]
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Nice call Jack and the system is responsible.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
“MyNameIsJack”
The family court judge ruled that it’s therapeutic for him, plus keeps him off the streets and out of trouble.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Yeah right dad – and “the system” is responsible for this song I guess …
Vote:
October 29th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Has Liarbore or the melons come into money?. Looks like they have a full crew out today. Surly this sort of propaganda doesn’t come cheap, what $1 to $2 a hour per poster, tops. Looks like the Sullen fund will be taking another big hit today, parasitic fucking worms!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
“Looks like they have a full crew out today.”
..and as usual, they’ve got nothing but cowardly smears. Completely unable to compete in the field of ideas.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
roger – bit harsh dude!
mynameisjack – youre a lil weird.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
No dime I think hes a lot weird.
Theres a line between rampant abuse and outright defamation. That whistling sound was jack sailing over at warp 5.
Makes the rest of us look positively polite.
I vote banning David.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
We have all seen the left lunatic fringe “love”, “peace” and “tolerance”, they are dangerous to be around.
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
This thread has cost me 20 demerits and I get too suck up a vicious slander attack on my parental capabilities by some cowardly keyboard creep called Jack. Fuck blogging, why do I bother with the shit!
Vote:October 29th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Another question for the Greens
Vote:They claim that if a party does not get a majority support then a majority has voted against it.
This displays extreme ignorance of MMP which is frankly shocking.
Under MMP a vote is only cast FOR a party/candidate.
It is not possible to vote AGAINST a party/candidate.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:40 am
Has anyone ever investigated who funds the greens or where they raise most of their cash? I’d say communist party and possible some Arab nations…and no doubt from sale of weed etc.
Vote:October 30th, 2008 at 4:00 am
The Greens are a dangerous luxury New Zealand can not afford.
Time to kick them out of parliament.
Vote:October 30th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Keeps them off the street d4j.
Vote: