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	<title>Comments on: Yang Liu&#8217;s private VIP citizenship ceremony in Parliament</title>
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		<title>By: jackp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-501940</link>
		<dc:creator>jackp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but this whole thing is being dumped by the newsmedia.  The newsmedia wants to defend Labour. And when they do bring it up, they attach National to it.  Pretty sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but this whole thing is being dumped by the newsmedia.  The newsmedia wants to defend Labour. And when they do bring it up, they attach National to it.  Pretty sad.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I meant reid, not Lee.</description>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-501323</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee, sorry I only thought of checking this thread again now. 

Here is a reading list on the subject of cultural marxism and political correctness: (I won&#039;t do &quot;Links&quot; as the system would not like it, Google should bring these up)

“Who Stole Our Culture” and “What is Cultural Marxism?” by William S. LIND

“The Historical Roots of Political Correctness” by Raymond V. RAEHN

“Gramsci’s Grand Plan” by James THORNTON

“Gramsci: A Method To the Madness” by William Norman GRIGG

“What is the Frankfurt School” by Gerald L. ATKINSON

“Enthralled By Cultural Marxism” by Chuck MORSE

“Gramsci and the US Body Politic” by Alberto LUZARRAGA

“The Frankfurt School: Its History, Theories, and Political Significance” BOOK by Rolf Wiggershaus; REVIEW by David WEININGER

“Why There is a Culture War” by John FONTE

“Missing Diversity”; “Today’s Culture Wars”; and “Up From Multiculturalism” By David Horowitz

“The Ongoing Marxist March against The Western Mind” by Frank MORRISS

“What if you found out that bad stuff is happening on purpose?” By Charley REESE

“The New Left, Cultural Marxism, and Psychopolitics disguised as Multiculturalism” By Linda KIMBALL

“Political Correctness: The Revenge of Marxism” by “Fjordman”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, sorry I only thought of checking this thread again now. </p>
<p>Here is a reading list on the subject of cultural marxism and political correctness: (I won&#8217;t do &#8220;Links&#8221; as the system would not like it, Google should bring these up)</p>
<p>“Who Stole Our Culture” and “What is Cultural Marxism?” by William S. LIND</p>
<p>“The Historical Roots of Political Correctness” by Raymond V. RAEHN</p>
<p>“Gramsci’s Grand Plan” by James THORNTON</p>
<p>“Gramsci: A Method To the Madness” by William Norman GRIGG</p>
<p>“What is the Frankfurt School” by Gerald L. ATKINSON</p>
<p>“Enthralled By Cultural Marxism” by Chuck MORSE</p>
<p>“Gramsci and the US Body Politic” by Alberto LUZARRAGA</p>
<p>“The Frankfurt School: Its History, Theories, and Political Significance” BOOK by Rolf Wiggershaus; REVIEW by David WEININGER</p>
<p>“Why There is a Culture War” by John FONTE</p>
<p>“Missing Diversity”; “Today’s Culture Wars”; and “Up From Multiculturalism” By David Horowitz</p>
<p>“The Ongoing Marxist March against The Western Mind” by Frank MORRISS</p>
<p>“What if you found out that bad stuff is happening on purpose?” By Charley REESE</p>
<p>“The New Left, Cultural Marxism, and Psychopolitics disguised as Multiculturalism” By Linda KIMBALL</p>
<p>“Political Correctness: The Revenge of Marxism” by “Fjordman”</p>
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		<title>By: bringbackthebiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>bringbackthebiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, is there any room left under the Klarkenfhurers carpet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, is there any room left under the Klarkenfhurers carpet.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-501036</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex: &quot;most of it is like pearls before swine when it comes to National’s “strategists”.&quot;

There was a piece in today&#039;s Herald talking with John Ansell and one other about the Nat&#039;s strategy of standing above the fray. John was advocating calling Hulun and Liarbore on their trust issues, pointing out the plethora of ammo and suggesting the attack could be moderated through humour. Very wise advice.

There is NOTHING repeat NOTHING repeat NOTHING wrong with attacking Liarbore on trust. There is NO DOWNSIDE and plenty of upside. Once again it appears that McCully or someone is fucking up the campaign as we supporters stand by and watch the train wreck unfold. To McCully, or whoever it is that has made this decision to &quot;rise above it,&quot; for fucks sake take Cromwell&#039;s advice repeated by Amory in reference to Chamberlian:

&quot;You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.&quot;

McCully, I like you, but you&#039;re possibly the worst chief strategist any party has ever had. Step aside, and let people who can attack take over. Can&#039;t you see what&#039;s happening, you blind ignorant arrogant fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex: &#8220;most of it is like pearls before swine when it comes to National’s “strategists”.&#8221;</p>
<p>There was a piece in today&#8217;s Herald talking with John Ansell and one other about the Nat&#8217;s strategy of standing above the fray. John was advocating calling Hulun and Liarbore on their trust issues, pointing out the plethora of ammo and suggesting the attack could be moderated through humour. Very wise advice.</p>
<p>There is NOTHING repeat NOTHING repeat NOTHING wrong with attacking Liarbore on trust. There is NO DOWNSIDE and plenty of upside. Once again it appears that McCully or someone is fucking up the campaign as we supporters stand by and watch the train wreck unfold. To McCully, or whoever it is that has made this decision to &#8220;rise above it,&#8221; for fucks sake take Cromwell&#8217;s advice repeated by Amory in reference to Chamberlian:</p>
<p>&#8220;You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.&#8221;</p>
<p>McCully, I like you, but you&#8217;re possibly the worst chief strategist any party has ever had. Step aside, and let people who can attack take over. Can&#8217;t you see what&#8217;s happening, you blind ignorant arrogant fool.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-501035</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, interesting points you make and yes I would like some links, sorry I&#039;ve been absent for some hours from the conversation...

No need BTW to put my name in &quot; &quot;... reid is my real christian name, I just can&#039;t be arsed capitalising it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, interesting points you make and yes I would like some links, sorry I&#8217;ve been absent for some hours from the conversation&#8230;</p>
<p>No need BTW to put my name in &#8221; &#8220;&#8230; reid is my real christian name, I just can&#8217;t be arsed capitalising it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-500967</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;d previously been critical of Wishart for what I saw as over-hyping a story but now part 2 has come out I&#039;ll retract that criticism. I still feel he shot his bolt too quickly... he ought to have published part 1 without letting on he knew more, get a few denials on the record, then published part 2 and gone for the hype. As it was he allowed Labour to institute an &quot;inquiry&quot; before the worst of it was known, which means at least a portion of the public (and most of the media) will fall for the &quot;nothing to see here, it&#039;s all under control&quot; line.

Still, congratulations are certainly due to Wishart for the legwork as well as the courage. It makes me want to gnaw the keyboard, though, when my political instincts are telling me Rod is dead right when he says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Quick! Quick!
Get out a grave announcement fast that a National Government would set up a high level enquiry with wide ranging authority into this carry-on as soon as it gets into power.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But like &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; will happen :-/ There are people (including Wishart and MSM journos like Kitchin and Audrey Young) working hard to uncover this stuff, and yet most of it is like pearls before swine when it comes to National&#039;s &quot;strategists&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;d previously been critical of Wishart for what I saw as over-hyping a story but now part 2 has come out I&#8217;ll retract that criticism. I still feel he shot his bolt too quickly&#8230; he ought to have published part 1 without letting on he knew more, get a few denials on the record, then published part 2 and gone for the hype. As it was he allowed Labour to institute an &#8220;inquiry&#8221; before the worst of it was known, which means at least a portion of the public (and most of the media) will fall for the &#8220;nothing to see here, it&#8217;s all under control&#8221; line.</p>
<p>Still, congratulations are certainly due to Wishart for the legwork as well as the courage. It makes me want to gnaw the keyboard, though, when my political instincts are telling me Rod is dead right when he says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Quick! Quick!<br />
Get out a grave announcement fast that a National Government would set up a high level enquiry with wide ranging authority into this carry-on as soon as it gets into power.</p></blockquote>
<p>But like <i>that</i> will happen :-/ There are people (including Wishart and MSM journos like Kitchin and Audrey Young) working hard to uncover this stuff, and yet most of it is like pearls before swine when it comes to National&#8217;s &#8220;strategists&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: trout</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-500899</link>
		<dc:creator>trout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worth noting that re Liu&#039;s citizenship application Rick Barker did a Pontius Pilate and washed his hands of it (because of a &#039;perceived or actual conflict of interest&#039; (NZ Herald)), leaving Shane Jones to sign it off, and they both left it to Dover Samuels (who was retiring anyway) to complete the dirty work by officiating at the ceremony.  Mr. Liu for his troubles will now be &#039;persona non grata&#039; to the Labour Party and treated as a leper would be (ask Owen Jennings).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worth noting that re Liu&#8217;s citizenship application Rick Barker did a Pontius Pilate and washed his hands of it (because of a &#8216;perceived or actual conflict of interest&#8217; (NZ Herald)), leaving Shane Jones to sign it off, and they both left it to Dover Samuels (who was retiring anyway) to complete the dirty work by officiating at the ceremony.  Mr. Liu for his troubles will now be &#8216;persona non grata&#8217; to the Labour Party and treated as a leper would be (ask Owen Jennings).</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-500887</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>colinbr

Yes that&#039;s it in a nutshell. He wasn&#039;t called Winston First for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>colinbr</p>
<p>Yes that&#8217;s it in a nutshell. He wasn&#8217;t called Winston First for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-500879</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philbest.
There are more characters in that play I&#039;m sure. Just haven&#039;t identified them all yet and haven&#039;t joined all the dots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philbest.<br />
There are more characters in that play I&#8217;m sure. Just haven&#8217;t identified them all yet and haven&#8217;t joined all the dots.</p>
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		<title>By: colinbr</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-500870</link>
		<dc:creator>colinbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read all the posts, so I hope this has not been covered earlier.  It seems that this lady needs to pay for legal help, and this is why a trust has been set up.  It is managed by Henry.

Surely this means that Henry has solicitored this donation so that THE TRUST CAN PAY HENRY!  

If this is the case (public funds used to pay Henry), it is appalling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read all the posts, so I hope this has not been covered earlier.  It seems that this lady needs to pay for legal help, and this is why a trust has been set up.  It is managed by Henry.</p>
<p>Surely this means that Henry has solicitored this donation so that THE TRUST CAN PAY HENRY!  </p>
<p>If this is the case (public funds used to pay Henry), it is appalling!</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-500844</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Key could step up and declare that he&#039;ll revoke Yongming Yan&#039;s residency and deport him to China. This would give him a platform to lambast Labour over the scandal, while taking wind out of Winston Xenophobic Peter&#039;s sails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Key could step up and declare that he&#8217;ll revoke Yongming Yan&#8217;s residency and deport him to China. This would give him a platform to lambast Labour over the scandal, while taking wind out of Winston Xenophobic Peter&#8217;s sails.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/yang_lius_private_vip_citizenship_ceremony_in_parliament.html#comment-500770</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melanie Phillips has a good point, eh, &quot;reid&quot;? The rampant materialism of our age is not really a contradiction of the predominant &quot;cultural marxism&quot; in media and political circles, it is actually a handy ally in their cause. If some Leftist theorists had sufficient intellect to see a crash coming, Noam Chomsky for example, he certainly would not be interested in warning how the crisis could be averted as a crash would bring his glorious socialist revolution that much closer. 

I do believe that the Left is right in terms of the &quot;greed&quot; of large numbers of individual traders in Wall Street, but those people are no more greedy than any other human being, and I honestly believe that most of them would have been trusting the framework within they operated, to not render their actions &quot;evil&quot; so to speak. Any operators who DID know enough to avoid the consequences, could have done very nicely by going along with it BEFORE it became &quot;too late&quot;. Note that Warren Buffett has had a VERY successful year in spite of the trend. 

I also believe now, that politicians are allowing themselves to be captured by hysteria from the financial sector, so as to use taxpayers money to prop up the financial sector itself, when it is the financial sector that deserves to be taught a sharp lesson so that they do not &quot;do it again&quot;. By all means bail out unfortunate people. But propping up the financial sector and keeping housing markets inflated will only bring us a worse crash in time. Instead of spending money propping up the finance sector, huge tax cuts for the PRODUCTIVE sector would result in REAL money flowing into the economy, and this real money would head for the wise investments. Any banks and finance companies that survived would survive precisely because they had been prudent over the last few years and THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. The scallywags would be weeded out. 

Furthermore, if we have a shortage of homes, we should allow more to be built and affordably sold by completely abandoning restrictive zoning policies and allowing farmland and land on the urban edges to be turned into 20 thousand dollar sections. This would also be a REAL, productive stimulus to the economy. Keeping the price of sections at 200 grand merely prolongs the problem we have now. Unaffordability, desperate buyers seeking creative means of finance, and a moribund building sector. 

But do you see my point that LEFTWING politics and especially leftwing media shibboleths, would stand completely athwart this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie Phillips has a good point, eh, &#8220;reid&#8221;? The rampant materialism of our age is not really a contradiction of the predominant &#8220;cultural marxism&#8221; in media and political circles, it is actually a handy ally in their cause. If some Leftist theorists had sufficient intellect to see a crash coming, Noam Chomsky for example, he certainly would not be interested in warning how the crisis could be averted as a crash would bring his glorious socialist revolution that much closer. </p>
<p>I do believe that the Left is right in terms of the &#8220;greed&#8221; of large numbers of individual traders in Wall Street, but those people are no more greedy than any other human being, and I honestly believe that most of them would have been trusting the framework within they operated, to not render their actions &#8220;evil&#8221; so to speak. Any operators who DID know enough to avoid the consequences, could have done very nicely by going along with it BEFORE it became &#8220;too late&#8221;. Note that Warren Buffett has had a VERY successful year in spite of the trend. </p>
<p>I also believe now, that politicians are allowing themselves to be captured by hysteria from the financial sector, so as to use taxpayers money to prop up the financial sector itself, when it is the financial sector that deserves to be taught a sharp lesson so that they do not &#8220;do it again&#8221;. By all means bail out unfortunate people. But propping up the financial sector and keeping housing markets inflated will only bring us a worse crash in time. Instead of spending money propping up the finance sector, huge tax cuts for the PRODUCTIVE sector would result in REAL money flowing into the economy, and this real money would head for the wise investments. Any banks and finance companies that survived would survive precisely because they had been prudent over the last few years and THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. The scallywags would be weeded out. </p>
<p>Furthermore, if we have a shortage of homes, we should allow more to be built and affordably sold by completely abandoning restrictive zoning policies and allowing farmland and land on the urban edges to be turned into 20 thousand dollar sections. This would also be a REAL, productive stimulus to the economy. Keeping the price of sections at 200 grand merely prolongs the problem we have now. Unaffordability, desperate buyers seeking creative means of finance, and a moribund building sector. </p>
<p>But do you see my point that LEFTWING politics and especially leftwing media shibboleths, would stand completely athwart this?</p>
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		<title>By: Glutaemus Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glutaemus Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dime (519)  6   0   Says: 

October 25th, 2008 at 10:48 am 
goddam these guys come cheap!

i could afford to buy me a labour MP! cool! 5 grand an MP? haha

DIME, do really think that $5k is all we are talking about for that level of service?

Understand that the blackmail will have had an effect, but $5k. Ummmm don&#039;t think so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dime (519)  6   0   Says: </p>
<p>October 25th, 2008 at 10:48 am<br />
goddam these guys come cheap!</p>
<p>i could afford to buy me a labour MP! cool! 5 grand an MP? haha</p>
<p>DIME, do really think that $5k is all we are talking about for that level of service?</p>
<p>Understand that the blackmail will have had an effect, but $5k. Ummmm don&#8217;t think so!</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
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		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief!  

The very suggestion of even half of this wrongdoing would be enough to have any serious democracy take immediate action.

But let&#039;s face it: We become more like a third-world country with each passing year, when seen in the light of a decaying democratic framework and failing economy. We&#039;re run by a sophisticated and clever despot by the name of Clark, and our future is, apparently, in the hands of the communist/authoritarian Greens and/or the separatist/racist Maori Party.

What a mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief!  </p>
<p>The very suggestion of even half of this wrongdoing would be enough to have any serious democracy take immediate action.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s face it: We become more like a third-world country with each passing year, when seen in the light of a decaying democratic framework and failing economy. We&#8217;re run by a sophisticated and clever despot by the name of Clark, and our future is, apparently, in the hands of the communist/authoritarian Greens and/or the separatist/racist Maori Party.</p>
<p>What a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I&#039;m still going on addressing your interesting points, &quot;reid&quot;.

If you define the media in terms of &quot;cultural marxism&quot; rather than the old economic Left/Right, it becomes a lot clearer. Even simpler, define anything in terms of whether or not it weakens traditional Christianity; if it does, the media will be all for it. Islam/BaHai/Rastafarian/Buddhist: the media will be all FOR the tolerance of it. Indigenous peoples religions: all for it. Atheism: all for it. Gaia worship: all for it. &quot;Liberal&quot; christianity (where all notion of sin and the saviour from it is removed): all for it. Openly gay &quot;church ministers&quot;?: Oh, they represent &quot;mainstream&quot; christianity. Socialism? Oh, that&#039;s &quot;applied christianity&quot;. Environmentalism? Perish the thought that man created in the image of God has &quot;dominion&quot; over the earth, or is even superior to &quot;other species&quot; at all. Materialism? Very handy. 

Melanie Phillips said THIS only a week ago, in &quot;The Culture War For the White House&quot;, which bears directly on our discussion:

&quot;.....(Oliver Kamm) said the financial crisis was not about morality but about incompetence and stupid decisions, and he did not agree with me that at root what lay behind it was, in the words of his fellow witness the Abbot of Worth, ‘militant atheism’. In direct contrast to Oliver I cannot understand how, along with every other form of human interaction, the administration of capitalism cannot have a moral dimension. It is surely important that bankers behave ethically, that politicians behave responsibly and that ordinary people behave prudently.

I see this financial breakdown, moreover, as being not merely a moral crisis but the monetary expression of the broader degradation of our values – the erosion of duty and responsibility to others in favour of instant gratification, unlimited demands repackaged as ‘rights’ and the loss of self-discipline. And the root cause of that erosion is ‘militant atheism’ which, in junking religion, has destroyed our sense of anything beyond our material selves and the here and now and, through such hyper-individualism, paved the way for the onslaught on bedrock moral values expressed through such things as family breakdown and mass fatherlessness, educational collapse, widespread incivility, unprecedented levels of near psychopathic violent crime, epidemic drunkenness and drug abuse, the repudiation of all authority, the moral inversion of victim culture, the destruction of truth and objectivity and a corresponding rise in credulousness in the face of lies and propaganda -- and intimidation and bullying to drive this agenda into public policy.

The financial crisis was brought about essentially by a public which threw away all notions of prudence and committed itself to spending today what it could never afford to pay back tomorrow, and a banking, regulatory and political sector which ruthlessly and cynically exploited and encouraged such catastrophic irresponsibility with a criminal disregard of the ruinous consequences for the poor. The financial crisis and our social meltdown are thus combining to form a perfect cultural storm.

The link between all that and the US presidential election is – as Oliver himself acknowledges – the figure of Sarah Palin. It seems to me that the reason she has sparked such an unprecedented campaign of lies, smears, abuse and dangerously unhinged hatred (if you think that’s an exaggeration, just look at the readers’ posts on this very site)  is because, as I wrote in the Mail on Monday, she stands against the tide of secular nihilism in the culture wars. Oliver and I dare say Hitchens (although I have not discussed this with him) may be shoulder to shoulder with me on foreign policy but they stand on the other side from me in the culture wars – what I see as nihilism, I suspect they view as progressive -- and it is no coincidence that they both stand also for militant (or in Oliver’s case, rather less militant) atheism which they assume (falsely, in my view) is synonymous with rationality.  Palin’s evangelical Christianity, and the moral and social positions that flow from that faith, would therefore strike them as beyond appalling. That’s why Oliver sees her as embodying

    anti-intellectualism, insularity, social intolerance and anti-rationalism.

For me, by contrast, although the nature of her faith and the churches with which she has been associated certainly make me uneasy, they do not alarm me. That’s because I regard evangelicals as allies in the fight to defend authentic liberal, and thus moral, values which I believe are rooted in Judeo-Christian thinking. I’m sure that, had I been around during the Victorian era, I would not have cared either for the evangelicals then trying to convert everyone to Christianity – but the fact remains that it was through their faith that they campaigned against slavery and for just about every social reform that we now think of as enlightened and progressive. For me, ‘anti-intellectualism, insularity, social intolerance and anti-rationalism’ have indeed been unleashed upon our society – not by Christian evangelicals but by the forces of secular fundamentalism and bigotry through such phenomena as scientism, political correctness and post-modernism.

I don’t much care whether Palin believes in a hundred ridiculous things before breakfast -- because what she stands for is a defence of bedrock western moral values against the nihilistic onslaught.......&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m still going on addressing your interesting points, &#8220;reid&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you define the media in terms of &#8220;cultural marxism&#8221; rather than the old economic Left/Right, it becomes a lot clearer. Even simpler, define anything in terms of whether or not it weakens traditional Christianity; if it does, the media will be all for it. Islam/BaHai/Rastafarian/Buddhist: the media will be all FOR the tolerance of it. Indigenous peoples religions: all for it. Atheism: all for it. Gaia worship: all for it. &#8220;Liberal&#8221; christianity (where all notion of sin and the saviour from it is removed): all for it. Openly gay &#8220;church ministers&#8221;?: Oh, they represent &#8220;mainstream&#8221; christianity. Socialism? Oh, that&#8217;s &#8220;applied christianity&#8221;. Environmentalism? Perish the thought that man created in the image of God has &#8220;dominion&#8221; over the earth, or is even superior to &#8220;other species&#8221; at all. Materialism? Very handy. </p>
<p>Melanie Phillips said THIS only a week ago, in &#8220;The Culture War For the White House&#8221;, which bears directly on our discussion:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;..(Oliver Kamm) said the financial crisis was not about morality but about incompetence and stupid decisions, and he did not agree with me that at root what lay behind it was, in the words of his fellow witness the Abbot of Worth, ‘militant atheism’. In direct contrast to Oliver I cannot understand how, along with every other form of human interaction, the administration of capitalism cannot have a moral dimension. It is surely important that bankers behave ethically, that politicians behave responsibly and that ordinary people behave prudently.</p>
<p>I see this financial breakdown, moreover, as being not merely a moral crisis but the monetary expression of the broader degradation of our values – the erosion of duty and responsibility to others in favour of instant gratification, unlimited demands repackaged as ‘rights’ and the loss of self-discipline. And the root cause of that erosion is ‘militant atheism’ which, in junking religion, has destroyed our sense of anything beyond our material selves and the here and now and, through such hyper-individualism, paved the way for the onslaught on bedrock moral values expressed through such things as family breakdown and mass fatherlessness, educational collapse, widespread incivility, unprecedented levels of near psychopathic violent crime, epidemic drunkenness and drug abuse, the repudiation of all authority, the moral inversion of victim culture, the destruction of truth and objectivity and a corresponding rise in credulousness in the face of lies and propaganda &#8212; and intimidation and bullying to drive this agenda into public policy.</p>
<p>The financial crisis was brought about essentially by a public which threw away all notions of prudence and committed itself to spending today what it could never afford to pay back tomorrow, and a banking, regulatory and political sector which ruthlessly and cynically exploited and encouraged such catastrophic irresponsibility with a criminal disregard of the ruinous consequences for the poor. The financial crisis and our social meltdown are thus combining to form a perfect cultural storm.</p>
<p>The link between all that and the US presidential election is – as Oliver himself acknowledges – the figure of Sarah Palin. It seems to me that the reason she has sparked such an unprecedented campaign of lies, smears, abuse and dangerously unhinged hatred (if you think that’s an exaggeration, just look at the readers’ posts on this very site)  is because, as I wrote in the Mail on Monday, she stands against the tide of secular nihilism in the culture wars. Oliver and I dare say Hitchens (although I have not discussed this with him) may be shoulder to shoulder with me on foreign policy but they stand on the other side from me in the culture wars – what I see as nihilism, I suspect they view as progressive &#8212; and it is no coincidence that they both stand also for militant (or in Oliver’s case, rather less militant) atheism which they assume (falsely, in my view) is synonymous with rationality.  Palin’s evangelical Christianity, and the moral and social positions that flow from that faith, would therefore strike them as beyond appalling. That’s why Oliver sees her as embodying</p>
<p>    anti-intellectualism, insularity, social intolerance and anti-rationalism.</p>
<p>For me, by contrast, although the nature of her faith and the churches with which she has been associated certainly make me uneasy, they do not alarm me. That’s because I regard evangelicals as allies in the fight to defend authentic liberal, and thus moral, values which I believe are rooted in Judeo-Christian thinking. I’m sure that, had I been around during the Victorian era, I would not have cared either for the evangelicals then trying to convert everyone to Christianity – but the fact remains that it was through their faith that they campaigned against slavery and for just about every social reform that we now think of as enlightened and progressive. For me, ‘anti-intellectualism, insularity, social intolerance and anti-rationalism’ have indeed been unleashed upon our society – not by Christian evangelicals but by the forces of secular fundamentalism and bigotry through such phenomena as scientism, political correctness and post-modernism.</p>
<p>I don’t much care whether Palin believes in a hundred ridiculous things before breakfast &#8212; because what she stands for is a defence of bedrock western moral values against the nihilistic onslaught&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;reid&quot;, that is interesting, there is something in what you say. Actually, when you explore the concept of &quot;cultural marxism&quot;, a lot more falls into place. Things are perhaps a little more subtle than just the old &quot;left/right&quot; political-economic divide. 

You are quite right about the &quot;vested interest masquerading as an intellectual conviction&quot;. That sums up the whole cultural marxism, long march through the institutions, deconstructionism, Gramsci/Marcuse/Adorno/Foucault et al thing nicely. How much do YOU know about this? Are you aware that most of the social theory taught at Uni today was designed by people who wanted to bring about the collapse of traditional Western society? They might advance their ideas as &quot;improvements&quot; to society, the end of &quot;oppression&quot; and &quot;injustice&quot; and the like, but what they actually do is dupe sectors of western society into becoming a weapon against the whole. Women, racial minorities, gays, &quot;workers&quot;, youth, non-Christian religions. Would you like some &quot;links&quot; to articles to read up on this subject? 

What you point out about the media NOT covering the warnings from economists and the like about the mounting crisis, I think is simply because MOST of the warnings were coming from economists who the media do not trust, like the Ludwig Von Mises institute economists; and of course the REMEDIES those economists recommended and still do recommend are deeply unpalatable to the Left. Have you ever read Hayek: &quot;The Intellectuals and Socialism&quot;? He says that the media form a kind of filter between experts on any subject, and the general public. Experts like the Von Mises institute economists will never be read or understood by the general public, and those that DO understand them are unlikely to get essays printed in the media. Journalists themselves are overwhelmingly left wing, and this means firstly, that they probably DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND the issues and are not even able to report on them in a way in which the general public will be convinced that there is a problem.

Neither do leftwing politicians understand the issues. Come to think of it, MOST politicians do not understand or are unable to act on their understandings anyway. Can you imagine any politician wanting a major crash in house prices to happen on their watch? Yet that is what needs to happen; as long as politicians adopt measures (at huge taxpayer expense by the way) that keep the housing market inflated and keep people&#039;s inflated-value &quot;investments&quot; safe, all we do is stave off the FINAL crash and make it BIGGER when it comes. When it is so big that governments have no chance with the given current and future tax revenue that they have to play with, to stave it off, we are DOOMED. 1930 will look like a Sunday School picnic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;reid&#8221;, that is interesting, there is something in what you say. Actually, when you explore the concept of &#8220;cultural marxism&#8221;, a lot more falls into place. Things are perhaps a little more subtle than just the old &#8220;left/right&#8221; political-economic divide. </p>
<p>You are quite right about the &#8220;vested interest masquerading as an intellectual conviction&#8221;. That sums up the whole cultural marxism, long march through the institutions, deconstructionism, Gramsci/Marcuse/Adorno/Foucault et al thing nicely. How much do YOU know about this? Are you aware that most of the social theory taught at Uni today was designed by people who wanted to bring about the collapse of traditional Western society? They might advance their ideas as &#8220;improvements&#8221; to society, the end of &#8220;oppression&#8221; and &#8220;injustice&#8221; and the like, but what they actually do is dupe sectors of western society into becoming a weapon against the whole. Women, racial minorities, gays, &#8220;workers&#8221;, youth, non-Christian religions. Would you like some &#8220;links&#8221; to articles to read up on this subject? </p>
<p>What you point out about the media NOT covering the warnings from economists and the like about the mounting crisis, I think is simply because MOST of the warnings were coming from economists who the media do not trust, like the Ludwig Von Mises institute economists; and of course the REMEDIES those economists recommended and still do recommend are deeply unpalatable to the Left. Have you ever read Hayek: &#8220;The Intellectuals and Socialism&#8221;? He says that the media form a kind of filter between experts on any subject, and the general public. Experts like the Von Mises institute economists will never be read or understood by the general public, and those that DO understand them are unlikely to get essays printed in the media. Journalists themselves are overwhelmingly left wing, and this means firstly, that they probably DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND the issues and are not even able to report on them in a way in which the general public will be convinced that there is a problem.</p>
<p>Neither do leftwing politicians understand the issues. Come to think of it, MOST politicians do not understand or are unable to act on their understandings anyway. Can you imagine any politician wanting a major crash in house prices to happen on their watch? Yet that is what needs to happen; as long as politicians adopt measures (at huge taxpayer expense by the way) that keep the housing market inflated and keep people&#8217;s inflated-value &#8220;investments&#8221; safe, all we do is stave off the FINAL crash and make it BIGGER when it comes. When it is so big that governments have no chance with the given current and future tax revenue that they have to play with, to stave it off, we are DOOMED. 1930 will look like a Sunday School picnic.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am appalled by this abuse of power by a corrupt government who are basically just well paid criminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am appalled by this abuse of power by a corrupt government who are basically just well paid criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s good, WraithX. I have read several of his books and probably most of his online articles too. Very rewarding. Follow the links from his Wiki:

Wiki has a long list of Theodore Dalrymple quotes too.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s good, WraithX. I have read several of his books and probably most of his online articles too. Very rewarding. Follow the links from his Wiki:</p>
<p>Wiki has a long list of Theodore Dalrymple quotes too.</p>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s good, WraithX. I have read several of his books and probably most of his online articles too. Very rewarding. Follow the links from his Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dalrymple

Wiki has a long list of Theodore Dalrymple quotes too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s good, WraithX. I have read several of his books and probably most of his online articles too. Very rewarding. Follow the links from his Wiki:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dalrymple" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dalrymple</a></p>
<p>Wiki has a long list of Theodore Dalrymple quotes too.</p>
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