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		<title>By: Bazar</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/final_us_election_results.html#comment-507197</link>
		<dc:creator>Bazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is more important to have a next generation than to have womens choice because of a perceived inconvenience. Existence for choice, or choice for no existence?&quot;

Perceived?
It IS an inconvenience, lets get that straight.

Secondly, there is always going to be a next generation. Most people have children because they want them in some way. And as long as most people do there isn&#039;t a problem. Even if our population were to shrink over time, as long as it doesn&#039;t happen rapidly, our infrastructure will cope.

Lets get another fact straight, having a larger population doesn&#039;t mean having a better country.
If you think that&#039;s the case, then you should move to India, or at the very least, the largest city you can find and live in a apartment.

Finally the last fact, if you want to compare us to Muslim nations and suggest their superior to us, I&#039;ll really have to laugh. I&#039;ll continue happily living in my 1st world nation... unless the Greens or Maori get in (then over time I won&#039;t be happy or in a 1st world nation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is more important to have a next generation than to have womens choice because of a perceived inconvenience. Existence for choice, or choice for no existence?&#8221;</p>
<p>Perceived?<br />
It IS an inconvenience, lets get that straight.</p>
<p>Secondly, there is always going to be a next generation. Most people have children because they want them in some way. And as long as most people do there isn&#8217;t a problem. Even if our population were to shrink over time, as long as it doesn&#8217;t happen rapidly, our infrastructure will cope.</p>
<p>Lets get another fact straight, having a larger population doesn&#8217;t mean having a better country.<br />
If you think that&#8217;s the case, then you should move to India, or at the very least, the largest city you can find and live in a apartment.</p>
<p>Finally the last fact, if you want to compare us to Muslim nations and suggest their superior to us, I&#8217;ll really have to laugh. I&#8217;ll continue happily living in my 1st world nation&#8230; unless the Greens or Maori get in (then over time I won&#8217;t be happy or in a 1st world nation).</p>
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		<title>By: Ratbiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/final_us_election_results.html#comment-506982</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratbiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmmmmmm - gotta say I&#039;m loving day one of the post-Bush, post-the-Palin-menace world so far!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmmmmm &#8211; gotta say I&#8217;m loving day one of the post-Bush, post-the-Palin-menace world so far!</p>
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		<title>By: jafapete</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/final_us_election_results.html#comment-506945</link>
		<dc:creator>jafapete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More good news! The Oregon senate seat has been called for Merkel (the Dem): http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/11/senate.html True, only 84% of votes counted, but the remaining ones are in deep blue (Dem) territory.

And don&#039;t count on winning the Georgia senate seat in a run-off. Ground organisation and money for ads will be even more important in a run-off election, and we know who has those.

For those of you thinking of moving to Colorado, remember that this state, heavily Republican just 5 years ago, now has a Dem Governor, two Dem senators, and 5 out of 7 Dem congresspeople. The awful Marilyn Musgrave, a living symbol of the Era of Rove&quot;, is gone. Oh, and the Dems control of both chambers of the General Assembly. Enjoy the fresh air and the Democratic ascendancy. The way the demographics are going, it&#039;s going to last some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More good news! The Oregon senate seat has been called for Merkel (the Dem): <a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/11/senate.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/11/senate.html</a> True, only 84% of votes counted, but the remaining ones are in deep blue (Dem) territory.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t count on winning the Georgia senate seat in a run-off. Ground organisation and money for ads will be even more important in a run-off election, and we know who has those.</p>
<p>For those of you thinking of moving to Colorado, remember that this state, heavily Republican just 5 years ago, now has a Dem Governor, two Dem senators, and 5 out of 7 Dem congresspeople. The awful Marilyn Musgrave, a living symbol of the Era of Rove&#8221;, is gone. Oh, and the Dems control of both chambers of the General Assembly. Enjoy the fresh air and the Democratic ascendancy. The way the demographics are going, it&#8217;s going to last some time.</p>
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		<title>By: kiwi in america</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/final_us_election_results.html#comment-506818</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwi in america</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another very revealing stat - the GOP stay at home factor was estimated at 1 in 5 of those who voted for Bush in 04. That would cover the lions share of the 7 million drop in the GOP vote.

Until the market meltdown, these were McCain&#039;s Rasmussen poll results (they ended up being the closest this time around - they had the smallest generic Dem vs GOP party indentification margin):
Florida:  +8
North Carolina:  + 18
New Jersey: - 3
New York:  – 6
Michigan – dead heat
Wisc —dead heat
Minnesota — tied.

The market meltdown blew the GOP out of the water. For McCain to claw back to within 6% with a gale force headwind like that was a good effort (and coping with Obama&#039;s stiff tail wind assist from a media that afforded him little effective scrutiny).

Grendel
The AZ ballot initiative you are referring to is Prop 202 and it was an attempt to water down the employer sanctions law that passed a year ago and has reduced the illegal population in the state by 30%. It was voted down which meant the existing law remains intact.

David
There is a difference between ballot initiatives that merely attempt to put the people&#039;s will into law and those that amend a State Constitution. You comments about some being thrown out by the courts apply to the former group - the latter group by their very nature cannot be thrown out by any State Court and are rarely struck down by Federal Courts. The three gay marriage propositions in CA, AZ and FL were all Constitutional amendments. In the case of CA, Prop 8 was put on the ballot because Prop 6 in 2002 (which passed 60/40 which outlawed gay marriage) was struck down by the CA Supreme Court earlier this year thus leading to Prop 8 being on the ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another very revealing stat &#8211; the GOP stay at home factor was estimated at 1 in 5 of those who voted for Bush in 04. That would cover the lions share of the 7 million drop in the GOP vote.</p>
<p>Until the market meltdown, these were McCain&#8217;s Rasmussen poll results (they ended up being the closest this time around &#8211; they had the smallest generic Dem vs GOP party indentification margin):<br />
Florida:  +8<br />
North Carolina:  + 18<br />
New Jersey: &#8211; 3<br />
New York:  – 6<br />
Michigan – dead heat<br />
Wisc —dead heat<br />
Minnesota — tied.</p>
<p>The market meltdown blew the GOP out of the water. For McCain to claw back to within 6% with a gale force headwind like that was a good effort (and coping with Obama&#8217;s stiff tail wind assist from a media that afforded him little effective scrutiny).</p>
<p>Grendel<br />
The AZ ballot initiative you are referring to is Prop 202 and it was an attempt to water down the employer sanctions law that passed a year ago and has reduced the illegal population in the state by 30%. It was voted down which meant the existing law remains intact.</p>
<p>David<br />
There is a difference between ballot initiatives that merely attempt to put the people&#8217;s will into law and those that amend a State Constitution. You comments about some being thrown out by the courts apply to the former group &#8211; the latter group by their very nature cannot be thrown out by any State Court and are rarely struck down by Federal Courts. The three gay marriage propositions in CA, AZ and FL were all Constitutional amendments. In the case of CA, Prop 8 was put on the ballot because Prop 6 in 2002 (which passed 60/40 which outlawed gay marriage) was struck down by the CA Supreme Court earlier this year thus leading to Prop 8 being on the ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: pushmepullu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pushmepullu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty worrying that when Armageddon comes the Muslims may well outnumber the Christians</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty worrying that when Armageddon comes the Muslims may well outnumber the Christians</p>
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		<title>By: BlairM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/final_us_election_results.html#comment-506751</link>
		<dc:creator>BlairM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted Stevens&#039; win may prove fortuitous.  It is very likely he will be impeached despite his victory.  Prime candidate to replace him?  One Sarah Palin of Wasilla, Alaska.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted Stevens&#8217; win may prove fortuitous.  It is very likely he will be impeached despite his victory.  Prime candidate to replace him?  One Sarah Palin of Wasilla, Alaska.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/final_us_election_results.html#comment-506750</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi ex-expat.

Then I am wrong and I&#039;ll rescind my &quot;well done&quot;.

The West continues its slide to oblivion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ex-expat.</p>
<p>Then I am wrong and I&#8217;ll rescind my &#8220;well done&#8221;.</p>
<p>The West continues its slide to oblivion.</p>
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		<title>By: The ex-expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/final_us_election_results.html#comment-506738</link>
		<dc:creator>The ex-expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathew,
Actually Colorado voted against defining a fetus as  person by a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.denverpost.com/nationalpolitics/ci_10900171&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;3 to 1&lt;/a&gt; margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathew,<br />
Actually Colorado voted against defining a fetus as  person by a <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/nationalpolitics/ci_10900171" rel="nofollow">3 to 1</a> margin.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/final_us_election_results.html#comment-506735</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Colorado.

Barack Obama is not pro-choice, he is pro-abortion. There is a difference. I suggest you read an opinion from one of those great bastions of post-modern liberalism - a Professor from Princeton rather than me.

Turning off comments is an attempt to censor and shut down debate, and not something that is even a personality issue. Abortion is an issue that the Western Civilisation is using to ensure that it is killing itself off. I didn&#039;t see the Muslim world participating in such an act of suicide.

This is why I am not voting for National. On the debate last night there was no change in the stance that that this is a law that needs to change. That is what worries me about National so much - I think they are scared to actually say what they really think.

It is more important to have a next generation than to have womens choice because of a perceived inconvenience. Existence for choice, or choice for no existence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Colorado.</p>
<p>Barack Obama is not pro-choice, he is pro-abortion. There is a difference. I suggest you read an opinion from one of those great bastions of post-modern liberalism &#8211; a Professor from Princeton rather than me.</p>
<p>Turning off comments is an attempt to censor and shut down debate, and not something that is even a personality issue. Abortion is an issue that the Western Civilisation is using to ensure that it is killing itself off. I didn&#8217;t see the Muslim world participating in such an act of suicide.</p>
<p>This is why I am not voting for National. On the debate last night there was no change in the stance that that this is a law that needs to change. That is what worries me about National so much &#8211; I think they are scared to actually say what they really think.</p>
<p>It is more important to have a next generation than to have womens choice because of a perceived inconvenience. Existence for choice, or choice for no existence?</p>
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		<title>By: The ex-expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/final_us_election_results.html#comment-506734</link>
		<dc:creator>The ex-expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPF South Dakota &lt;a&gt;voted against the ban on abortion&lt;/a&gt; as did Colorado voters &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.denverpost.com/nationalpolitics/ci_10900171&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on fetus being a full human with rights&lt;/a&gt; and the Parental notificational laws were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/05/BA3B13ULS2.DTL&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;struck out&lt;/a&gt; by Californians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF South Dakota <a>voted against the ban on abortion</a> as did Colorado voters <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/nationalpolitics/ci_10900171" rel="nofollow">on fetus being a full human with rights</a> and the Parental notificational laws were <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/05/BA3B13ULS2.DTL" rel="nofollow">struck out</a> by Californians.</p>
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		<title>By: Grendel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, i think you have it wrong on some of them.

Arizona voted against the ban on hiring illegal immigrants

California voted against abortion limits and parental informing

Colorado is still deadlocked on the affirmative action one and voted against life beginning at conception

Massachusetts failed to vote out the state income tax

South Dakota voted against banning abortion except for mother’s health, incest or rape

Oh and Sherrif Arpaio, got voted back in, wonder how many people on remand before trial he will kill this term.


its odd that a bunch of america is crying out that they now have change and its goingto be better and more inclusive and people will be nicer to each other, and then they go and vote to remove rights from fellow citizens.

nothings changed, they have just replaced the good ol boy figurehead with the vaccuous deamagogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, i think you have it wrong on some of them.</p>
<p>Arizona voted against the ban on hiring illegal immigrants</p>
<p>California voted against abortion limits and parental informing</p>
<p>Colorado is still deadlocked on the affirmative action one and voted against life beginning at conception</p>
<p>Massachusetts failed to vote out the state income tax</p>
<p>South Dakota voted against banning abortion except for mother’s health, incest or rape</p>
<p>Oh and Sherrif Arpaio, got voted back in, wonder how many people on remand before trial he will kill this term.</p>
<p>its odd that a bunch of america is crying out that they now have change and its goingto be better and more inclusive and people will be nicer to each other, and then they go and vote to remove rights from fellow citizens.</p>
<p>nothings changed, they have just replaced the good ol boy figurehead with the vaccuous deamagogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/final_us_election_results.html#comment-506732</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Many of the state polls will be found to be unconstitutional and never put into effect incidentally.&quot;

What do you base that on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many of the state polls will be found to be unconstitutional and never put into effect incidentally.&#8221;</p>
<p>What do you base that on?</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The State ballots are fascinating. Appropriate that Nebraska voted to end affirmative action... surely it must now be abolished across the States. After all, with an African American President, the claim that race is a barrier and non-white applicants need preferential consideration must now be acknowledged as anachronistic in this day and age. Though anti-discrimination laws, to deal with situations where the pendulum swings the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; way, are still, sadly, necessary.

Now we&#039;ve got that out of the way - what the hell is a video lottery? Do we take bets on the next waning &quot;celebrity&quot; with no morals to &quot;accidentally leak&quot; their sex tape?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The State ballots are fascinating. Appropriate that Nebraska voted to end affirmative action&#8230; surely it must now be abolished across the States. After all, with an African American President, the claim that race is a barrier and non-white applicants need preferential consideration must now be acknowledged as anachronistic in this day and age. Though anti-discrimination laws, to deal with situations where the pendulum swings the <i>other</i> way, are still, sadly, necessary.</p>
<p>Now we&#8217;ve got that out of the way &#8211; what the hell is a video lottery? Do we take bets on the next waning &#8220;celebrity&#8221; with no morals to &#8220;accidentally leak&#8221; their sex tape?</p>
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		<title>By: democracymum</title>
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		<dc:creator>democracymum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh Colardo!
Go South Dakota!

If Helen gets her evil paws back on power we&#039;re off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh Colardo!<br />
Go South Dakota!</p>
<p>If Helen gets her evil paws back on power we&#8217;re off!</p>
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		<title>By: Gulag Archipelago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gulag Archipelago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a swing to the right at state level and swing to the left at federal level.</description>
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