Hooton’s final pre-election SST column
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm by David FarrarMatthew Hooton blogs his final pre-election SST column:
After the defeat in 1990 of the last Labour government, in which Helen Clark was deputy prime minister, the late, great left-wing writer, Bruce Jesson, confessed his difficulty in treating it fairly because, he wrote, he had come to despise them. “Everything I wrote about them,” he declared, “dripped with contempt. They were a government entirely without principle, cynical and untrustworthy, who clung to power for the sake of it.”
As a writer, I would not suggest to be even remotely in Jesson’s class, but I now know exactly how he felt.
There was a time when the Clark government was a breath of fresh air after the Bolger/Peters/Shipley fiasco. In 2000, I was perfectly happy to help the Labour Department sell Margaret Wilson’s Employment Relations Act and I even came to admire Clark’s leadership skills when I worked on the formation of Fonterra, a company that would not exist without her intervention.
I feel none of that now.
This is a sick, dying but dangerous government, reduced to sending its party president to Melbourne to dig through 13,000 pages of documents in the hope of finding something, anything, to smear its opponent. No matter that the Serious Fraud Office and all the Australian authorities have already gone through all the documents, jailed those who committed crimes, and exonerated those who were not involved, Mike Williams and his Labour operatives used taxpayers’ money to act as some sort of private, politically-motivated, parallel police force.
Nice.
It is keeping secret the true state of our accounts and instead of policy is offering only that, if re-elected, it will reveal its true intentions in a mini-Budget in December. Labour is turning the concept of a “hidden agenda” into an art form, yet Clark has the audacity to say the election is about trust.
The mini-Budget will inevitably be repugnant to New Zealanders. Just as Clark promised prior to the 2005 election that there would be no ban on smacking, she and Michael Cullen will be keeping secret measures they know would be opposed by the vast majority, otherwise they would announce them now.
Remember it’s all about trust!
Related posts:
- Possible election date announcement
- An opportunity for Labour?
- Final Results of the 2008 Election Media Study
- The secret mini-Budget
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
I think the greatest irony is having the Prime Minister complain about the ethics and modus operandi of currency traders. She makes currency traders look like Mother Teresa ! Perhaps the dealing room is the ideal training ground for New Zealand politics, then?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
I really hope John Key in the next leaders debate goes after her on this mini budget. He needs to hammer home exactly what Mathew has written. If there is nothing to hide then release it now.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:16 pm
There is no ban on smacking.
It was always illegal to assault your child.
Section 59 was only ever applicable at the court level, not the level of arresting behaviour.
Police make decisions every hour of every day not to arrest people for things that are technically crimes.
Children were always able to tell teachers they’re being abused by their parents.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Ryan, the difference now is the grounds on which people WILL be subjected to a Police investigation, and we are relying heavily on the integrity of the police involved with any given case. Also, it removes from a JURY, the right to consider the facts of the case and decide what was “reasonable”. Have you seen the video on YouTube of the Timaru “riding crop lady” speaking out? Are you aware, do you care about our social engineering Gestapo wrecking the lives of decent caring families?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Oh fuck here we go again.
Spin little crapweasle, spin.
In case you didn’t get the memo we’re sick of people talking shit and trying to tell us that black is white.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Ryan Sproull “It was always illegal to assault your child.”
Thats right, so the law change was not about assault. It removed the right to use reasonable force to discipline. So smacking, which was deemed reasonable is now no longer allowed aka ban on smacking.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:25 pm
And furthermore, when it comes to “secret agendas”, the bloody Heleban’s social engineering secret agendas make their economic secret agendas pale into insignificance. How about having all children regularly assessed for the “normality” of their development and their family environment? Where is this leading?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
The Timaru Lady Speaks Out:
Vote:
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Hooten is such a punter, but at least he acknowledges it: As a writer, I would not suggest to be even remotely in Jesson’s class. Wasn’t it him who, in an email to Don Brash, concluded with the phrase Fuck we’re good!? Brash then went on to label Hooten an “idiot” (or words to that effect).
Why you cover anything he writes is beyond me DPF.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
The Timaru Lady; by Renton McLaughlan of the Kiwi Party:
Part 1
Part 2
Vote:
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
You forgot the Republican secret agenda- abolishing Queen’s honour system, getting rid of Privy council etc…
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Being “beyond” you means fuck all roger.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 pm
“The Criminalising of Parents, NZ style” (A Kiwi Party initiative)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjklj6yZGPk
THAT is part one, there is FIVE parts. I won’t link to them all, you can follow the embeds on the site.
This is SICKENING stuff, all NZ-ers should watch these.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Hi dad! How are you going bro? Looking forward to another three years of Helen?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I would much rather 3 in a maximum lock down than tolerate another 3 years of a corrupt regime of twisted liars roger!
Edit – DON”T EVER CALL ME BRO !!
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Phil,
The grounds on which people will be subject to a police investigation have not technically changed. And we have always relied heavily on the integrity of the police. It does remove from a jury the consideration of what is “reasonable” when they are deciding on charges of assault on a child. But no one will be facing a jury who previously wouldn’t have. And the people who previously would have been arrested for assaulting a child (and therefore still would be) no longer have a vague and tricky legal defence for their lawyers to use.
I wouldn’t call this social engineering, and I don’t think it’s wrecking anyone’s lives. Is there source for instances after the repeal where people have been charged who previously wouldn’t have been, or people who have been found guilty who previously might have been acquitted?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Why DPF still allows you comment is beyond me. However I can only assume that someone needs to be the village idiot and you fit that title quite well.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Edit – DON”T EVER CALL ME BRO !!
Bro, I’m beached as! I only eat plinkton!
(sorry, just saw this recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA – Aussies hassling our accent)
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Wow, the rabid right really are in a tizz today. I guess the reality of another three years with Labour in the box seat really has dawned on them. Think i might visit National’s election party after the left’s imminent victory. God that’s going to be sweet.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 pm
The mini budget is one of the better kept secrets. More questions should be asked about that.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
You are in for a big shock roger, as the blue team will crush the rotten watermelons for good this fucking time!
Edit – Ryan go back to your knitting!
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Wow, the rabid right really are in a tizz today. I guess the reality of another three years with Labour in the box seat really has dawned on them. Think i might visit National’s election party after the left’s imminent victory. God that’s going to be sweet.
I was under the impression that National was going to win the election.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Edit – Ryan go back to your knitting!
Man, I wish!
http://mocoloco.com/art/archives/newport_knitting_jun_05.jpg
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
The crapweasles are really in a spin today.
You dickhead losers really have no idea what reality is like do you.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
How about Labour’s quiet agenda of getting rid of private enterprise and competitive pricing. The are moving towards only dealing with people they feel “comfortable with”, rather than getting value for tax payer money.
They have already amended the Commerce Act, which has always protected us from the price fixing and lack of competition of large companies. They only want to deal with the large companies, and price is no longer an issue. Hence, a massive waste of taxpayer money that we can’t afford to have in this economic climate.
They don’t care that small owner operators will go broke and small business will be ruined. These people have always kept the big boys honest. They are moving towards total state control of business and that is very scary.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Ryan – most of the polls last election over-rated the centre-right’s support by about 2 percent and under-rated the left’s support by about 2 percent. Poor/young people are less likely to have phones, and say “yes” to a random telephone surveys don’t you know?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Ryan, we’re not interested in your FACTS about Section 59 – we’re quite happy with our own misconceptions thank you very much.
We call facts that don’t fit with our prejudices “spin” around here…
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Ryan Sproull (874) Vote: 1 14 Said:
There is no ban on smacking. It was always illegal to assault your child. Section 59 was only ever applicable at the court level, not the level of arresting behaviour. Police make decisions every hour of every day not to arrest people for things that are technically crimes.
VERY SIMPLE. We have the Courts to decide guilt or innocence, and if guilt an appropriate sentence. Making decisions every hour of every day not to arrest people for things that are technically crimes is not the role of the police – their role is to arrest and charge people and, if they think appropriate, bail them to appear in an appropriate Court. This attitude of ‘we’ll put a law in place and then leave it to others to decide if it should be enforced or not is the ultimate political cop-out (no pun intended) and has no place in a sensible democracy. It’s time we had someone in government who understands law and order and is prepared to enforce it!
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:03 pm
“Poor/young people are less likely to have phones, and say “yes” to a random telephone surveys don’t you know?”
That would be the most insane sentence that I have ever read on kiwiblog roger. What mental hospital are you in ?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pm
DPF why must you continue to promote the radical whining of leftist apologists like Hooton?
Even if I didn’t know about his greasing with the hardline Stalinist Trotter, if I had never read anything he said before today, his praise for Helen Clark’s employment law – something that crippled this country economically and threatened to criminalise bosses for attempting to get good performance out of their employees – would make him utterly discredited. Let alone his praising of the self-proclaimed traitor Bruce Jesson!
I am all for showing criticism of Labour but please let’s have it from sources with a bit more credibility than left wing idealogues like Hooton
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Of course it is an insane comment, d4j.
Vote:The pollsters go through the phone book and randomly select numbers to call. If the person doesn’t have a phone, they won’t have a phone number. So, the survey is for random phone numbers, not random people.
And don’t forget, the polls have a margin of error either way, so roger’s theory doesn’t stack up
November 3rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
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Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Where is Roger Nome going to blog from after they vacate the Beehive?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Peanut – what’s your explanation for nearly all of the major polling companies getting it so wrong last time then? (i.e. nearly all of them picked National to lead the next government).
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm
I see from the MSM that the greens will not have anything to do with Winston Peters. Showing some spine at last.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Simple, roger. They picked National to win with a very small margin over Liarbour.
But, with Klarks weazly paying for the liar Peters to stand by her and Williams bribing half of South Auckland with KFC to vote for the left, then it did not surprise me that Labour managed to cobble together a dysfunctional unit they call govt.
And she still stands by Peters when he continues to lie. Aah, it’s all about trust!!!!
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
“bribing half of South Auckland with KFC to vote for the left”
What?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
On polling day in 2005, Williams and his cohorts took thousands of South Aucklanders to the polls and paid for them to have KFC for lunch. Owen Glenn stated this when he was last in NZ. Last I heard that would pass as coercion and totally inappropriate.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
That means that KFC gets a boost not just on dole/benefit day courtesy of the taxpayer, but on election day as well. At least that only comes around once every three years and not once a week.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Hasn’t Helen’s plan to go long with the campaign backfired as well. She looked shattered this morning on Breakfast, blaming the Herald for the Neutron Bomb disaster. Good luck selling that one to the electorate.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm
The most reliable was TV3′s TNS poll – and what’s that saying now?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
On polling day in 2005, Williams and his cohorts took thousands of South Aucklanders to the polls and paid for them to have KFC for lunch. Owen Glenn stated this when he was last in NZ. Last I heard that would pass as coercion and totally inappropriate.
Williams took his South Auckland GOTV team (a couple dozen people) to lunch at KFC on election day and phoned Owen Glenn from the restaurant; somewhere along the way this transformed into a conspiracy theory about the Labour Party buying fried chicken for everybody in Manurewa.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Ah nice to see the liar and plagiarist Nome back here if only as the last ditch attempt o get Dad psychotic again. At least the poor child has enough left in him to have a last few attempts. Where the rest of them are still trying to crawl out from under the muck brought down on them from the Peters, Clark wedding.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
I have discovered Mike Williams plans for Labours ‘Neutron bomb’ attack
http://ettf.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/viewblack.jpg
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm
The most reliable was TV3′s TNS poll – and what’s that saying now?
I’ll tell you:
Projected Seats
* National 57
* Labour 47
* Green 11
* NZ First 0
* Maori 6
* United Future 1
* ACT 2
* Progressive 1
* Total 125
So how do you like them apples, oh deluded Tories?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
IMHO JK needs to hammer Clark about the minibudget at the debate
All he needs to do is ask her whats in it and when she wont reply then tell the audience it will contain massive tax increases coupled with benefit testing and reductions
Dont worry about the detail the idea is to frighten the shit out of the labour/Green bludger supporters on the one hand and the few of their supporters who actually pay tax and contribute to the economy on the other hand.
JK needs to goad Clark into spitting the dummy Again IMHO she is on the verge of losing the plot as she knows its a close run thing.
What better than to get her pop on national television when she is forced into refusing to say what the plan is after the election.
JK should throw the TRUST back at her.
Say Do you trust them enough to vote them a blank cheque when they have said they will announce a minibudget in 30 days but WONT tell you whats in it before you vote.
Please JK DONT screw up now You have them on the ropes.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Roger… you must be delusional if you think that the Greens will get anything like 11 seats, and also Labour having anything like 47 is looking increasingly unlikely.
This last week of the campaign has been all blue and Labour are fast running outta time to reverse the swing to the right.
The voting public have grown tired of the sniping and spin and are voting on policy and honesty. In both of these areas the left-leaning parties are being shown to be severely lacking.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
I’m still of the opinion that Labour are going to (and to use a quote I saw today) get fucked harder than a gay porn star come Saturday. Bugger the pollsters (no offensive DPF).
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 2:32 pm
“PhilBest
The Timaru Lady Speaks Out:”
Mrs 4 by 2 probably isn’t the kind of person you want to be head lining a campaign to leagalise smacking.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Roger
Vote:You have bought me out of retirement.
The best you can hope for now is reaching 4000 comments by Saturday.
November 3rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Hooton is so wrong about this. He gets very confused when he says:
We know he is wrong. Helen can’t have been deputy prime minister back then. We know this because Helen Clark said otherwise, just yesterday:
Now, there are two options here. Either Hooton is telling lies, and Helen Clark was never deputy prime minister in the Fourth Labour Government, or Clark is deliberately trying to distance herself from the downfall of the Fourth Labour Government. It can’t be the latter, because this election is all about trust, and Helen Clark is so trustworthy.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Danyl,
Your spin is worse than what I have to put up with in the last nine years. Going on Mike Williams track record, I would say that thousands of South Aucklanders was a modest estimate. It was probably all of Manakau!!!
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Roger Nome you really are a dormant dil brained dick.
The last available poll data is ten days old. Those polls are ancient history.
Since the last poll was taken, Labour’s ‘neutron bomb’ has exploded in its face; a host of notable NZers who previously voted Labour have publicly endorsed ACT or National; Winston Peters’ real ‘money for policy’ skulduggery has been revealed; the Greens have withdrawn support for a Labour led cabinet with Peters anywhere near it; Helen Clark still refuses to deviate from her support of Peters; and the Maori Party has made it clear as late as today that it can quite happily work with National.
The only thing in doubt now is the scale of Labour’s landslide defeat which has been personally engineered by Helen Elizabeth Clark, Labour’s Chief Strategist.
Please tel me which university is foolish enough to employ you so that I can ensure none of my grandchildren ever go near the place.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Clark was deputy prime minister from 8.8.89 to 2.11.1990, so Hooten is telling the truth and Clark is lying off her face
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Making decisions every hour of every day not to arrest people for things that are technically crimes is not the role of the police – their role is to arrest and charge people and, if they think appropriate, bail them to appear in an appropriate Court.
Dave Strings,
That is a role of the police. Every time someone knocks into someone on the street, they are committing battery. Law errs on the side of arrestability and police err on the side of not arresting. It gives police power to arrest without serious consequences to themselves when it is necessary, while meaning technically people commit crimes (your junk mail is technically trespassing) every hour.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
“Greens rule out working with Peters
By MAGGIE TAIT | Monday, 03 November 2008
Green Party co-leader Russel Norman today ruled out his party sitting around a Cabinet table with NZ First leader Winston Peters”
- Not quite the same as saying you wont go into a multi party coalition government with him!
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:10 pm
# sam269 (11) 1 1 Says:
November 3rd, 2008 at 2:32 pm
“PhilBest
The Timaru Lady Speaks Out:”
“Mrs 4 by 2 probably isn’t the kind of person you want to be head lining a campaign to legalise smacking.”
That is just SO typical of the way this whole issue has been hijacked by the filthy scum lying anti-family Left. Watch those videos, everybody.
A jury of perfectly decent people found the Timaru lady INNOCENT. Sue and Helen and their Gestapo have sent the message to those people and to ALL decent New Zealanders, “you are wrong, WE KNOW BEST”.
In spite of the Timaru lady’s acquittal and irrelevant to the legislation that was later passed, does everybody know that CYFS took the Timaru lady’s son off her anyway, and still has not given him back; AND the kid is now RIGHT OFF THE RAILS; when the school and the local community all said, with the exception of a FemiNazi Gestapo scum CYFS “social worker”, the kid’s behavioural problems had taken a noticeable change for the better as the result of his mother’s disciplinary approach. But no; the anti-family Gestapo know “better”, they will take a kid away into a discipline-free environment and wreck him as a human being.
And by the way, Renton McLaughlin is one of the most trustworthy people imaginable, if he says it as he does on those videos, it is right. It is the anti-family Gestapo who cannot be trusted an inch.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:11 pm
OK then, this election is all about trust. I am game, here’s a few questions.
Why does this current Labour led government not TRUST us with all the information we need to make an informed political choice?
Why does this Labour led government no TRUST us with the knowledge of our current financial state prior to the election?
Why does this Labour led government not TRUST the majority of us to raise our children correctly?
Why can we no longer TRUST the sick will receive a bed in North Shore Hospital?
Why should we TRUST the NCEA system, when many schools are adopting the Cambridge system and finding it so much better?
Feel free to add your own.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Esprit – forget the polls, look to the online prediction markets (e.g. politicalstockmarket.co.nz ) for up-to-date state of play. While only based on predictions rather than votes, these have a habit of being more accurate than statistical polling. Anyways – enough of the explanation – the crux of it is that Labour is predicted to form the next government – which does not make my particular portfolio balance look good. I guess we can only hope that it is a bunch of Labour stooges buying the red stock high in the hopes of a serendipitous outcome…
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Roger Nome and Peanut, there is also a little matter at the last election, of a bunch of lying scum media putting across a frame-up of Don Brash, one of the most honest politicians NZ could have wished for, in the last few days prior.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Re Trust – perhaps it should be about ‘Faith’ – that way we don’t require answers, or need to rely on track record… we simply put our faith implicitly in what the Illustrious One and her winged henchmen decree…
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
The game is over for the AXIS of WEEVIL.
You will be laughing on the other side of your face next week wodger!
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm
…and if we need a miracle to drive that Faith, just look to Winston’s survival so far as the type of heavenly miracle that should astound and convert even the most diehard disbeliever…
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Why does Labour not TRUST small business to be more cost effective and innovative than the huge multi national dinosaurs, and why have they changed policy to exclude these smaller parties?
Why does Labour not TRUST citizens’ referenda and allow at a vote for/against the antismacking law, to be held concurrently with the general election?
Why does Clark harp on about TRUST, when she continues to support the pathological liar, Peters?
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Also, Roger Nome, I don’t give a stuff if Helen does cling to office now with a rabid ragtag coalition including the barmy Greens. Labour has left a poisoned economy for the Nats to inherit, I seriously doubt that even they expect to get back in, such is the mess they have left, it would be like a bunch of students being evicted from a flat, shitting all over it by way of revenge but then getting to stay on after all.
A Labour/Greens coalition will turn NZ into Orwellian dystopia so fast that they would be goners for several electoral cycles thereafter. Whereas if John Key does become PM now, the lefty scum in the media will give him 3 years of hell over situations that are no fault of his, and then spend the next several terms of renewed Labour government blaming his 3 years for everything done in the previous 9 and the following however many. So I know which one of those outcomes I want.
And don’t think you are going to cement yourselves in power by passing Gestapo laws about free speech, controls on blogs, talk radio, etc. Don’t expect to be able to push what amounts to effectively 50% of Kiwis around that easily any more.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Problem is PhilBest, they have already set things in motion and are going to pass these Gestapo laws if they win the election.
They talk of “collaboration” with businesses, so that the price of any Govt work to be done will be agreed on, and not put out for competitive tender. If your business is not in their “collaborative partnership, it will not get work.
Vote:By next June, local councils will have to,by law, have collaborative partnerships ,also.
This means that the big multinational companies will get the work and the smaller people haven’t got a chance. Thats why so many skilled people have gone to Aussie, because they have been shut down!!!
November 3rd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
quite simply they dont get in unless they are currupt,there is no left or right,they are both working toward the same agenda,who ever gets the top job its there job to fuck the dollar so we will have no choice(this is what we will be told)but to take on a world monetary order,controled by the banks
Vote:left and rigjht is something is used to split up the masses,
we all know whats right whats wrong,and how currupt this government is,and so will be the next one
the whole government needs a fucken good clean up and as long as we piss fart around with bullshit that is fed to us from the media about left and right,the agenda will be the only winner, wake the fuck up we are all being reemed
November 3rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
DPF blogged recently the electorate vote outcome based on some recent local polls
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/11/electorate_polls-2.html
It therefore seems logical to use the same data to get some idea of the party vote situation
After all is is the same people being asked.
So it follows that the percieved shift to National is not as great as some of the commentators here maintain
It is going to be a very close and nailbiting finish
Nationals polling numbers in the last 3 local polls
Palm Nrth Latest poll 36.0% 2005 election 36.69
Nelson Latest poll 40.4% 2005 election 37.01
West Cst Latest poll 44.7% 2005 election 39.59
AVG 40,36 AVG 37,63
Nationaly this would put the Nats on about 44%
Vote:Any thoughts?
November 3rd, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Sorry nationally this would put the Nats on about, between 42 and 43%
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 3:56 pm
This week’s leaders debates will be crucial to determine the Govt.
The world is facing difficult times yet the Labour government has done nothing to increase the public’s level of understanding of what is likely to lift growth or anything considered vital for the voter to make up his/her mind
As Mike Moore wrote earlier this year when predicting a change of Govt: “This is a very oppressive government. Peter Fraser fought for freedom of the press, believing always that the interests of workers would be best served by full and free debate. Modern Labour operates in another space. It uses sycophants to confine debate to areas where Labour is more comfortable. Everything else gets ridiculed. Imprisoning ideas is Labour’s cardinal rule, and they have been extremely successful at it. The Electoral Finance Act is just the latest installment…….”
Its campaign of Trust is pathetic and its downfall needs to be rammed home by John Key in this weeks debates
Up unitl now Key has not played the Labour attack game, he arguably doesn’t have to, but he can not let Clark (or the media) determine the basis of debate. He must focus on the inaction of this Labour Govt and present himself has the man for the job.
He must get the swingers in his favour this week.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 4:20 pm
I believe Geoffery Palmer was the Deputy Prime Minister during the majority of the 4th Labour government.
However, when Geoffery Palmer became Prime minister for 1 year before the government disbanded (’89 – ’90), Helen was his deputy.
So, although she was deputy for some of the time of that government, it was right at the end so both are credible statements.
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
The H fee associated with the Neutron bomb is actuallydirectly linked to Helen Clark. Did you know that Helen actually was technically involved in the H Fee.
Vote:The First H Fee was transacted by Elders and the BNZ ( Sydney ) in January 1988. BNZ was owned by the then Labour Government that Helen was a senior minister in. The question should be asked of her about the H fee, not John Key
November 3rd, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Test
Vote:November 3rd, 2008 at 8:14 pm
lol Roger Nome
Heating up a bit is it?
Look on the bright side, you guys can go back to flint n steel of labour/greens get back in.
Vote: