Labour’s lineup

November 20th, 2008 at 11:42 am by David Farrar

Have not seen the full list yet, so this is off reports:

Front Bench

  • Phil Goff, Leader
  • Annette King, Deputy, Social Development
  • David Cunliffe, Finance
  • Chris Carter, Education
  • Parekura Horomia, Maori Affairs
  • Ruth Dyson, Health
  • Clayton Cosgrove, Law & Order, SOEs
  • Nanaia Mahuta, environment, tourism
  • Maryan Street, trade, tertiary education
  • Darren Hughes, senior whip, transport

Other Shadow Cabinet

  • Charles Chauvel, climate change, energy
  • Moana Mackey, rural affairs, research & development
  • Sue Moroney, early childhood education
  • Winnie Laban, Pacific Island Affairs

I’ve previously said I think Cunliffe is an excellent choice for Finance. Putting Annette King as their big gun against Paula Bennett shows they are determined to target Bennett.

Cosgrove for law & order is sensible – they need a right winger on that issue.

Can’t see why Nanaia Mahuta has gone to the front bench. Shane Jones would be a stronger Minister but I guess he has rubbed too many people up the wrong way.

Dyson knows Health well. Carter was the incumbent Education Minister. I don’t think he shone there really (and I do respect his abilities) so a bit surprised they did not make a change.

Chauvel vs Brownlee could be fun to watch.

Moana Mackey has been a hard worker, so sensible promotion for her. The portfolios look pretty light though.

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26 Responses to “Labour’s lineup”

  1. Paw Prick (43 comments) says:

    How can Moana Mackey be a spokesperson for Rural Affairs when apparently there is now no Ministry of Rural Affairs?

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  2. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Where’s my old mate Trevor, please tell me he’s been hung up like a Peking duck.

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  3. Lee (610 comments) says:

    Is Rural Affairs something to do with sheep shagging?

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  4. jacob van hartog (300 comments) says:

    Rural affairs is when a constituent visits the rural electorate office after 6.30PM

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  5. dad4justice (8,224 comments) says:

    Has Helen’s son Ginga Hughes got a pink whip job?

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  6. mike12 (183 comments) says:

    deck chairs springs to mind..

    The public are sick of watching a grumpy Annette King so the young fresh Paula Bennett will make her look older and grumpier when they go head to head.

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  7. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    Underwhelming to say the least. Horomia and Mahuta are there only because Labour is smarting at being outsmarted by John Key and feel the need to re-establish their Maori creds. Watching and iistening to Horomia ask a question is going to be fascinating. He struggled as a Minister to answer questions (with the full weight of his office behind him) and he will be up against it in trying to put Sharples to the aword. Good move though not to ellevate Jones to the front bench. I suspect his star is about to take a tumble when full details of the immigration scam are made public … talk about being hung out to dry by his colleagues … many in the Labour caucus will be rubbing their hands.

    What the f*** does Street know about Trade. Did she once buy something o’seas? Again, Groser will wipe the floor woth her.

    Looking forward to the Collins vs Cosgrove clashes. Neither will give an inch. Just a pity that Cosgrove looks and acts like a Mafia Don.

    Mackey (the two time looser) for rural affairs because she once had a ride in the coutry and liked what she saw.

    Get used to that side of the House guys. You’re going to be there for quite some time.

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  8. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    Nanaia and Parekura strongly supported the forshore and seabed.

    Parekura sat with Labour MP’s as Tuhoe protested and Tama Iti spat at them

    Their records are practically unblemished and they have to be seen as strong believers of socialist philosophy; perhaps even moreso than Maori. That is definitely the perception they portray.

    I found it interesting listening to Dover Samuels that the foreshore is for all NZers, but in crown control it can be sold to the highest bidder and thats where I stop trusting communists.

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  9. big bruv (13,906 comments) says:

    Goff is in for a fun time, I count at least six in his shadow cabinet who are nakedly ambitious for his job.

    It is going to be fun watching Labour tear itself apart over the next three years.

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  10. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    I realise we live in a democracy and the Labour Party does win elections, but I can’t help feeling sickened when someone like Michael Cullen gets to be Finance Minister for 9 years, and now David Cunliffe is, in Mr Farrar’s words, “an excellent choice”.

    Fa Pete’s SAAAKE, WHY can’t we rely on getting governments which actually include some of the several thousand New Zealanders who might actually be appropriately qualified to hold down a job of the importance of these ones? Someone once said they’d rather be governed by 100 names pulled at random out of the telephone book than by the faculty of the top University in the country, but the Labour Party of NZ gives us the worst of both these worlds, i.e. the worst of the Uni faculty combined with the worst names out of the telephone book.

    The thought of the last 9 years still gives me the jim-jams, the heebie-jeebies, and the screaming willies; and so does the thought of this lot getting back in again in 3 years or 6 or 9.

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  11. james88 (19 comments) says:

    Labour are a mottley lot who are exactly described as underwhelming

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  12. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Well most of you have already said it What an underwhelming lot they are. How the hell did we allow them to attempt to govern for 9 years.

    Watch them try and blame the new Government for fixing the shambles they got us in.

    Give us a break They where hopeless in governemnt and well even worse in opposition.

    lets face it they are just a sad bunch of losers and tossers

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  13. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    To hell with rural affairs where is the new “Spokesperson for Auckland Affairs”.
    Is Judiths valiant striving for the queen city and unblemished record of hard work to be cast aside like a used durex.
    Shame on you Liarbore for not appointing someone of equal calibre to take up her heavy mantle of responsibility.

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  14. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Cosgrove for law & order is sensible

    There’s a law & order ministry? Has he got all of Police, Corrections and Justice?

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  15. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Full list on Stuff (and the Standard).

    Was the decision not to set someone aside with no opposition responsibility to be an Officer of the House (presumably an Assistant Speaker) deliberate?

    Was Clem Simich spokesperson for something?

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  16. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    PhilBest, I notice that NZ is better off than a country that followed the mantra of no regulation for banks, namely Iceland.
    Christ each man,women, and child in Iceland is up for US $250,000 of debt caused by wide boys known as bankers.
    Yet, there are still complete and utter idiots in this country who still chant the no regulation mantra.
    Hell, we have idiots here who because they had a bit of equity in their houses went out and bought two more on interest only terms.
    Now these same ACT voting fools expect the taxpayer to bail them out of losing the lot.
    Funny is it not that socialism is bad until the well paid need it ?

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  17. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    GrumpyOldHori, why are “each man,women, and child in Iceland up for US $250,000 of debt caused by wide boys known as bankers……”???????

    Are all citizens of Iceland shareholders in these banks?

    Sounds more to me like the hazards of “the people”, who don’t know what they’re doing, owning banks and/or expecting their politicians to nationalise them in tough times. BIIIIIIIIIIG mistake.

    Fortunately for NZ taxpayers, our banks (except Kiwibank) are all owned by private shareholders, most of whom are offshore. We can thank Rogernomics and Ruthonomics for that.

    You can bet that Kiwibank will be costing the taxpayer squillions in the years to come. So will KiwiRail and Air New Zealand. This is what Socialism does, hangs money-losing enterprises round taxpayers necks.

    Excuse me, the people in NZ, myself included, who DO chant the “no regulation” mantra, are not idiots. WE are the lonely few who insist that the government NOT use OUR money to bail out the idiots who did the things you say.

    Socialism is not just “bad until the well paid need it”, socialism is at its WORST when “bailing out” the well paid. The well paid who want bailing out are just human. They KNOW they don’t deserve it and if they are intelligent enough, they will KNOW it is the worst thing even for the countries economic future for them to be bailed out. But after decades of rising expectations of Nanny Statism, ANYTHING is worth “trying on”.

    I still say that this whole debacle is illustrative of the hazards of ignorant socialist politicians trying to run economies. Michael Cullen was the master of this countries money supply and interest rates these last 9 years; AND Labour’s Local Government Act in tandem with the RMA, is what strangled the supply of housing and forced prices up and caused a “bubble”. Huge amounts of Japanese investment money nearly doubled NZ’s money supply, and all the pressures flowed into house prices instead of house BUILDING or capital investment or productive activity. There is no-one to blame for this other than Michael Cullen and Labour, for the distorted fiscal incentives that had this effect. We SHOULD have had an economy humming along with massive investment in business activity driving up productivity and employment. Now we not only don’t have that, we STILL have massively overpriced houses, along with a housing SHORTAGE; building sector wiped out, and finance sources dried up. This could not be more WRONG or distorted, according to every principle of markets.

    Don’t try and kid me that this was “the free market” and “deregulation” in action. This kind of ignorance is going to cost us our whole future.

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  18. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    THIS GUY said this very well earlier, well done, that man:

    # Chthoniid (167) Vote: Add rating 6 Subtract rating 1 Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 8:14 am

    Ben Wilson:

    “So blaming private sector debt on the government requires you to believe that the government should have taken away the independence of the Reserve Bank and insisted on high interest rates.”

    “Let’s start from the beginning.

    THe NZ Government was running a fiscal expansionary policy. We know this because as soon as growth dropped (before crisis), they were looking at a period of budget deficits. In effect, the surpluses only occurred because of economic growth.

    This required the RB to apply high interest rates (via ECA) to take the edge off. The first main consequence of this is that the NZD strengthened. We ended up running very high trade deficits. So expansionary fiscal stance, causes tight monetary, causes high interest rates and exchange rate, causes trade deficits. Trade deficits have to be funded by overseas borrowing- so that’s currently about $10b a year. This was why many commentators had referred to the NZ economy as a dual economy. An over-heated domestic economy and a sick export economy.

    The second mechanism was the housing bubble. People shifted their investments to activities that could justify the interest rates. You couldn’t make money growing trees, and you had a lower rate of return on entrepreneurial activity because of the 39% tax (e.g. I got out of consultancy in Asia). Housing was in a pathway that accommodated tax avoidance and had a rate of return enough to match the interest rates. As housing values soared, net household wealth increased, and people borrowed more money because of it (credit card debt etc). Banks could raise funds in overseas capuital markets and plow it back into NZ. Aiding the bubble was tight housing supply and increased immigration, prompting a general increase in demand.

    In effect, the government was saying to households we don’t ‘want you to borrow more money’, but we will create conditions that will lead to this outcome. The real way to get out of this cul-de-sac would have required a shift in economic direction to lift productivity. Instead it slowed down.

    This basically means the best chance we ever had to get the NZ economy into the best position to survive the ups and downs of economic cycles, was pissed away on a bloated public sector, a stupid train set, a lot of middle-lcass welfare and a sheep station or 2.”

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  19. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    Bennett will eat King alive. I don’t know why so many people think King is competent. She has relied on very capable people (even if they are ideologically wrong) who tell her what to say. She can’t even debate without reading from prepared notes.

    Moana Mackey might give the impression of hard work, but as we all know, anyone can do that when they need to. Just another capacious arse filling a comfortable chair.

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  20. gingercrush (153 comments) says:

    Do not underestimate King. The most effective Labour MP. Her ability is amazing. Look at what she did for health. She made an area that always has problems and made it safe for Labour. Had they kept her here there would be no issues in health today. That doesn’t mean she fixed the health sector far from it. But she was so effective in deflecting attacks she made the National opposition look like kiddies. Of course Labour went crazy and put the incapable Hodges in there who nearly stuffed up all the hard work King did.

    End of story. I like National and I like Bennett. But King scares me in her effectiveness.

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  21. shaunwallis (44 comments) says:

    HA! Not so sure about Mackey as “hardworking”. For the past two campaigns her mother (an ex-Labour perennial backbench MP) has run Moana’s campaign, Moana’s been extremely distant from the coalface. Although she is a polite person, I wouldn’t say she is a hard-worker if her twice-failed East Coast Campaign is anything to go of.

    Tolley is a far superior MP in the past 3 years she has represented East Coast (2005-2008), and the next three years (2008-2011) will prove that she’s greater than any of the Mackey’s could ever do!

    Hence why Tolley has a majority now of 5983 votes – amazing in a low socio-economic electorate!

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  22. pdm (844 comments) says:

    `Look what she (King) did for health’.

    Yes gingercrush look what she did for health. Her partner Ray Lind wrangled a job at the HBDHB and then proceeded to destabilise the management and board liason including taping, without consent, a meeting with the Board Chair as well as meetings with staff. King then got Lind’s mate Hausmann on the board and he continued the destbilisation of the Health Board functions abetted by Lind and the untrustworthy General Manager Clark. All I am sure with Kings knowledge.

    King then conspired with Cunliffe to sack the 7 week old democratically elected Board to cover her tracks as well as those of Lind and Hausmann.

    I definitely do not underestmate her capacity to manipulatet the system and as I read your post I see she scares you – but is it her effectiveness or her deviousness that is the most scary.

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  23. Don the Kiwi (1,761 comments) says:

    I doubt very much that Goof’s team will match Key’s lineup. And what a coup by Key to get the Maori Party on borad. If he does it right – and there’s no reason to think he won’t – the general Maori populace could well end up in three years being National supporters. Heilen and the Social Engineers alienated a lot of Maori, I think. The National led govt. will repair that, and will stop the patronising that Labour have shown to Maori for decades.
    And Horomia against Sharples?? Sharples will have him for breakfsat.
    And lunch
    And dinner.
    And be enough left to sent to Dafur to feed a couple of refugee camps.

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  24. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Er what’s wrong with Cunliffe, exactly? Business Economist with Boston Consulting Group an’ all that. Something to do with being anti-private sector in when he was Health Minister?

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  25. Chthoniid (2,047 comments) says:

    Aah, I see once again we’ve split Environment from Conservation.

    Chadwick is probably a good choice, Carter never got much respect outside of some fans inside DoC.

    I had my first run in with Steve at Tawharanui with the pateke release. She was jumping the queue for the free wine, but that was largely for the photo op. I would have otherwise beaten her to the shiraz…

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  26. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    She made an area that always has problems and made it safe for Labour. Had they kept her here there would be no issues in health today.
    Dood with respect, you’re delusional. Cunliffe’s still trying to clean up the mess in health that was left by King and her husband – i’ll be surprised if both of them don’t end up in prison.

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