October Public Polls Newsletter
November 4th, 2008 at 10:12 am by David FarrarCuria has just published its final monthly newsletter summarising the public polls, before the US and NZ elections. Normally we only distribute this by e-mail but I am sticking it up on the blog for download as a pdf, for interested persons, this time only: public-polls-october-2008
National has dipped down to below 50%, Labour has stayed fairly static and the Greens have had a significant increase. The interesting thing is the average of the polls is almost identical if one simly averages them all, or if you weight them by size and date.
This is the more important graph and it does show how close it is. A Government will need 62 or maybe even 63 seats to govern. National/ACT/United Future just make it. Labour/Progressive/Greens can’t govern even if the Maori Party support them. However a change of just a couple of percent means they could.
Also from the front page of the newsletter:
October saw, not surprisingly, a record ten public polls conducted– four TVNZ polls, two Morgan, two TV3 a Herald poll, a TVNZ poll and a Fairfax poll.
The average of the public polls has National 12% ahead of Labour and by the narrowest of margins able to form a Government with ACT and United Future. The gap last month was 15% so the average lead slightly narrowed in October.
Australia sees Labor on 56.5% for a 13% lead.
In the United States Barack Obama has a 6% lead in the popular vote and a projected huge 168 vote margin in the Electoral College. Only 10% of Americans say the country is heading in the right direction, which gives some idea of why the tide is not favouring incumbents. The polls also show the Democrats gaining eight Senate seats (to 59), 15 House seats and one Governorship.
The UK Labour Party is 12% behind the Conservatives who are projected to have a 70 seat majority on these results. The gap has narrowed thanks to Gordon Brown’s handing of the financial crisis.
In Canada we compare the election results to the average of the public polls and the seat predictions. The polls came out of it looking pretty good.
We also carry details of polls in NZ. There are polls in the seven Maori seats, plus Nelson, West Coast-Tasman, Palmerston North and Tauranga. Also issue polls on economic management, coalitions, organic food, beach nudity plus the usual business and consumer confidence.
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Related posts:
- February 2010 Public Polls
- October Public Polls
- Curia’s Polling Newsletter – Issue 61, October 2012
- September 2010 Public Polls
November 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am
It’s National’s year.
Labour is finished. The mood for change is in the air.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am
During the 2005 campaign I kept a record of the polls in my diary. Looking back on this shows some interesting things:
They were very volatile. The more polls an organisation produced the more the variation. Herald Digipoll had Labour leads of 0.5 to 9.3. TVNZ started a month out with a Labour lead of 8 and ended with a National lead of 6.
They had a very wide spread. In the last week the Dominion Post had a National lead of 7 while the Herald had a Labour lead of 7.2. During the campaign result ranged from National by 8 to Labour by 9.
Among final polls TV3 was most accurate. It predicted L 40.5, N 38.7, almost bang on, but overestimated the Greens and NZ First. The accuracy was partly luck of course – given the statistical math.
The average was remarkably good. If all 18 polls over the last month are added and averaged (with no weighting) the outcome is very very close to the election result: L 41.1 (bang on) and N 39.8 (over by 0.7). All the 6 largest parties were within 0.7 percent of the actual result.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Why has National ticked downward? It’s inexplicable, John Key has not put a foot wrong and gone only from strength to strength. He has a genius understanding of the international economy and an ironclad sense of integrity.
It must be a flawed poll.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 11:35 am
There is rumour a major poll is due Saturday. Helen Clark has stated it will be a rogue poll.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 11:39 am
The decline in the National vote shown in these polls is old news. All of the polling was conducted around 15-23 October around two weeks ago. There will be new polls in the next few days which may tell a different story.
But why did National fall in the first place? The financial crisis. It has made people feel insecure, and that suddenly made people want to cling to Nanny.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 11:41 am
my PQ poll says NZ GOVERNMENT 2008
JOHN KEY PM, NATIONAL based Government ,
Vote:MAORI independent and interested,
look forward to greater prosperity for all New Zealanders
pq
November 4th, 2008 at 11:49 am
I dont know if David will do a post for this is in time so I will post my Presidential election prediction here. It will invite disbelief and scoffs as the perceived wisdom of the pundits is an easy Obama win but do read my reasoning and research. In just over 36 hours we’ll know. I will repeat the post if there David blogs on this topic separately.
Its afternoon on Monday November 3rd and I will venture and make a prediction for the Presidential Elections tomorrow. Latest battleground state polls have the candidates either tied or within the margin of error. Assuming the usual reliable red and blue states go to McCain and Obama respectively – with regards to the battleground states, I believe McCain will win PA, OH, FL, NH and VA (and maybe CO and NV) and Obama will likely win IA, NM, MI and MN (and maybe CO &NV) because of the following effects that the polls and pundits are not really focusing on:
1. The Polling effect: Something unprecedented is happening this election. The daily tracking polls have a spread of between 1 and 13 % which has never happened – the biggest gap ever in the Bush Kerry polls in 04 was 1 – 6%. There are clearly major sampling issues with some polls with such huge variations. The other thing that is unusual is the high number of undecideds less than 48 HOURS OUT. By now in 04 this figure was less than 3% whereas we have polls ranging from 4 – 8% with about 5% the average. So what is going on? Almost all the polls appear to oversample Democrats – some by margins in excess of 10%. Pollsters say this is justified by the larger numbers of Dems who registered in the Primaries. However in 1980 and 1988 (years where the Dem nomination was hotly contested) had massive voter registration margins over the GOP and the GOP still won both general elections. The pollsters are assuming all these Dems are likely Obama supporters AND will turn out this time. Clinton supporters (and Rush Limbaugh Operation Chaos Republicans – these are GOP voters who switched their party registration in closed primary states such as TX, OH and PA so that they could vote for Clinton on the assumption that their votes in the GOP primary at the same time were meaningless because by then McCain had the GOP nomination sewed up) are on the books as Dems further skewering the party identification. Some of the polls showing double digit Obama leads are further skewering their results by factoring in a massive turnout model in the early voting of youth and blacks that thus far are not as big as first predicted. These same polls are also factoring in a depressed GOP turnout – something that also does not appear to be the case thus far in early voting. There is no denying that early voter turnout is huge but there is limited evidence that this is breaking hugely in favour of Obama. Finally – the IBD/TPP daily tracking poll has Obama up by only 2% with 8% undecided and they came the closest (0.2% away from final figure) in 04 in the Presidential.
2. The Media Effect: The media in the US usually reliably tilt to the left and have given Democrat Presidential candidates generally an easier run. This cycle the media bias for Obama has become more unashamed and blatant. I believe this will backfire particularly with the media calling the race over for McCain before the election. People all over America are turning off and tuning out the MSM. When a majority of voters tell Rasmussen in two polls in the last few months that the media favor Obama there is a major problem. Americans are tired of Manhattan and Hollywood elites telling them how to vote. The media meme that it’s all over and Obama has won will also have the perverse effect of reducing the much vaunted youth vote that will more likely skip the long lines on election day because their man has it in the bag already and doesn’t need them. GOP voters are always more reliable. Case in point – the famous model on You Tube known as Obama Girl that generated millions of hits – on the day of the New York primaries, she was too busy at the manicurist to vote!
3. The Catholic effect: 99% of Catholic Bishops in the US are urging their parishioners to vote for a pro-life candidate because of Obama’s extreme pro-abortion positions (especially his blocking of and vote against the IL version of the Infant Born Alive Protection Act – the Federal version of which passed both houses of Congress unanimously). This has been a very reliable demograph for the Dems. Such overt influence from the pulpit is unprecedented in the modern era.
4. The Jewish effect: When Haaretz (a left leaning Israeli newspaper) reports that Israeli residents legally able to vote in the US have already voted 76% in favor of McCain (a result that hasn’t been this bad for a Dem Presidential candidate since McGovern lost to Nixon big time in 72) we’re seeing another very reliable demograph for Obama looking decidedly wobbly. Jewish voters see Obama being surrounded by advisors more friendly to the Palestinians than Israel.
5. The Palin effect: Forget the MSM meme that she’s a drag on the ticket. Why is Palin is getting the largest real rally crowds of the campaign (not ones with free rock concerts prior to the rally that have boosted some of Obama’s rallies) and Biden is speaking to miniscule groups or that Palin gives press avails almost daily and Biden hasn’t taken media questions since September? It is because Palin has energized the GOP base that was supposed to be dispirited and staying home. I know many McCain hating Republicans who, after his nomination were talking about sitting out the race. When he nominated Palin, they all contributed the max and volunteered with the GOTV efforts. That effect is multiplied across the country especially in the battleground states. A subset to the Palin effect is the NRA (National Rifle Association) effect. The NRA packs real clout in middle America and backs an endorsement with big bucks. The NRA have failed to back GOP candidates for President since 1980 only twice (Bush 1 in 92 and Dole in 96 and both lost). They are spending $5m in three battleground states in the last week.
6. The Bradley Effect: Will Obama suffer the fate of Tom Bradley, the LA mayor who ran for the CA Senate seat in 1982 and seemed to lead his white opponent by 6% but still lost by 2? Same with Wilder in his race in NC in 92. The only way to judge the extent to which there is any ‘Bradley’ effect is to look at Obama’s primary race results against Clinton. Obama’s track record is one of slightly underperforming in actual votes vs pre-primary polls: Just look at the last 14 primaries. Obama was a poor closer against Clinton. His poll standing just before every primary (except NC which has a 37% black population) was the high tide mark whereas most undecideds broke late for Clinton boosting her winning margins from 3 – 7% higher than that predicted in the polls. The most extreme example was the NH primary where most polls had Obama up by 8-9% and Clinton won by 2%. This is the actual real life polling reality Obama faces. He cannot seem to break 50% in most battleground state polls. With 5 – 6% still undecided and with his margins tight and shrinking almost daily in these states, the same scenario of the majority of late breaking undecideds going to McCain is very likely. John McCain, on the other hand, has a track record of strong finishes and come-from-behind wins – witness Romney up by between 2 – 4% in FL but losing by 5% on the day to McCain.
7. The Joe the Plumber effect. In the dying weeks of the campaign, Team Obama has had to defend Obama’s “spreading the wealth around” comment and thence defending socialism something that has prevented the Obama campaign from defining the message as the undecideds firm up their decision. This has been compounded as seemingly every other day Obama surrogates define down the middle class cut off from the original $250k to $120k. Joe the Plumber (and the Obama campaign responses to his issues) has enabled Team McCain to more easily define Obama as a tax and spend liberal – a tag that usually works electorally for the GOP.
8. Obama/Biden Tin Ear effect: PA is a must win state this time around. Team Obama have made several unforced errors that may well cost them a state that Kerry in the end easily won in 04. First was Obama’s much publicized fund raiser on millionaires’ row in San Francisco where he described those in rural PA as being bitter and clinging to guns and God. PA Democrat Congressman Jack Murtha recently chimed in with a similar “rednecks and racist” tag of rural PA. Biden tells a private fundraiser in Seattle that there will be a manufactured crisis from the enemies of the US to test Obama and only yesterday a You Tube clip was released where Obama essentially tells the coal industry that his cap and trade emissions regime will bankrupt them. The heart of coal country – PA, OH, VA and CO – all must win states for Obama.
8. The PUMA effect: This acronym (standing for Party Unity My A**) has come to identify a group of disgruntled Clinton supporters who have vowed to defeat Obama by voting for McCain thereby enhancing the chances of their preferred candidate, Hillary Clinton, winning the Presidency in 2012. It is hard to know what effect this group will have because almost all will still be registered as Democrats. They are very well organized with a network of quite well visited blogs. Various public polls have Obama pulling around 85% of Dems which is lower than the 90% of Republicans saying they’ll vote for McCain. Internal memos leaked from the Obama campaign in some swing states have assessed the percentage of Clinton supporters solidly backing Obama at between 60 – 75%. Given that Clinton attracted 18 million votes in the primaries and, had the MI and FL votes been counted, she would’ve won the popular vote in the primary, 25% represents over 4 million voters. In battleground states, the marginal lead that Obama has could be reversed by only 10,000’s of PUMAs voting for McCain.
I believe the cumulative weight of these 8 effects will carry the day for McCain. I believe it highly probable that Obama will win the popular vote but not the Electoral College vote.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Really difficult to see any of this panning out kiwi in America.
In 2004, Bush won 286 Electoral College votes to Kerry’s 252. Currently Obama has the lead in 10 States that Bush won making up a combined 115 Electoral College Votes, pushing Obama out to a projected 367 Electoral College vote win. McCain on the other hand is ahead in exactly zero States that Kerry took in 2004.
Using the Pollster.com State polling analysis to look at the current polling results for those 10 ex-Bush States and putting their respective Electoral College votes in brackets we have:
Iowa(7) 53/41, Virginia(13) 51/43, Ohio(20) 50/43, New Mexico(5) 51/44, Nevada(5) 50/44, Colorado(9) 51/45, North Dakota(3) 45/41, North Carolina(15) 49/46, Florida(27) 48/45 and Missouri(11) 48/47.
With the polls currently having McCain on 171 Electoral College votes and requiring 270 to win, he needs to pick up 99 EVs from the 115 of those ex-Bush States between now and Tuesday. His only other partial alternative is to win Pennsylvania, a 2004 Kerry State with its 21 Electoral College votes – yet Obama has 10 point lead there of 52/42, making it a more dubious proposition than every one of those ex-Bush States with the exception of Iowa, which has gone completely feral on the Republicans.
To make matters worse, if staring down the barrel of a 200 Electoral College Vote drubbing can possibly get any worse, not only does McCain need to come from behind in 100 EVs worth of States we’re he’s trailing by up to 12 points, but he also has to defend Indiana (11 EVs) where he’s currently ahead by half a point but where the trend is running against him, as well as hold on to Georgia (15 EVs) where McCain’s 17 point margin has been slashed to just 2 points over the last 6 weeks.
There is no way McCain is going to win PA
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_mccain_vs_obama-244.html
And really what can be sadder than having to drag this moron out onto your campaign with you.
Vote:http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=9eSJuWgZGYo
November 4th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I’m a lot less impressed with Obama’s terrorist friends.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Obama will lose. The explanation is simple – the American people are not racist, but they are rightly biased against socialists who want to punish success, kill the unborn and surrender to Islamic terror in Iraq. The media is in the tank for Obama and polling is not to be trusted.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
So that mean the polling is in the tank for Obama? Maybe when the result comes through we can discount that as well. After all it’s most unlikely to reflect the will of the American people given that everything is in the tank for Obama. Perhaps Joe the Plumber can do some tinkering with the tank so we get the correct result!
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Lloydois
When you get this close to the election the RCP rolling averages have far less meaning as they incorporate polls that are days sometimes a week old. The latest polls out of the battleground states have McCain and Obama either tied or apart by under the MOE and that is BEFORE you factor in any of the effects that I discuss that can impact on the accuracy of polls.
Here’s a real live case in point. I just got a call from a mate working for McCain Palin in Colorado. Latest public polls there have Obama up by 3 – 5%. An exit poll taken on the early voting ballots that closed last Friday (25% of the votes cast in CO have been early ballots) has Obama up by only 1 and it is a well known fact that exit polls favour the Dems (they did on average by 5% in 2000 and 2004). Lets be generous and say these exit polls only favour Obama by 3. That means that McCain is really ahead by 2 while the polls have Obama up by 4 on average. This means as things stand right now in the battleground state of CO the polls are likely out by 6%. That means all the swing states I attribute to McCain are easily in play.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
We’ll see tomorrow kiwi just how well your predictions stack up.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/co/colorado_mccain_vs_obama-546.html
I really don’t like your chances in Colorado.
These dudes are predicting Obama will get 364. I think they’ll be close to the mark.
http://www.hubdub.com/election_map
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
SORRY, DON”T KNOW THE AUTHOR OF THIS, would credit them if I could:
“One sunny day in 2009 an old man approached Premier House from where he’d been sitting on a park bench.
He spoke to the security officer guard and said: “I would like to go in and meet with Prime Minister Helen Clark.”
The security officer looked at the man and said: “Sir, Ms Clark is no longer Prime Minister and no longer resides here.”
The old man said OK and walked away.
The following day, the same man approached Premier House and said to the same security officer “I would like to go in and meet with Prime Minister Helen Clark.”
The security man again told the man, “Sir, as I said yesterday, Ms Clark is no longer Prime Minister and no longer resides here.”
The man thanked him and, again, just walked away.
The third day, the same man again approached Premier House and spoke to the same guard, saying “I would like to go in and meet with Prime Minister Helen Clark.”
The guard, understandably fed up, looked at the man and said, “Sir, this is the third day in a row you have come here asking to speak to Ms Clark. I’ve told you already that Ms Clark is no longer the Prime Minister and no longer resides here. Don’t you understand?”
The old man looked at the guard and said, “Oh, I understand …
… I just love hearing it.”
The security officer snapped to attention, saluted, and said “See you tomorrow.”
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
WOW. HERE IT IS. Some kind person has DONE it.
“THE CLOSING ARGUMENT” By John Perazzo.
The COMPLETE resume of Barack Obama.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2336
Visit that page to actually get the whole thing, (much too lengthy for a cut and paste here) but THIS is how it starts:
“Barack Obama has now delivered his nationally televised “closing argument” summarizing the supposed justifications for electing him to be the next President.
Following is a compelling argument against electing him. It is an argument founded on a thorough analysis of Obama’s record vis a vis the votes he has cast, the positions he has taken, and the promises he has made during the course of his entire political career—eight years in the Illinois state senate and four years in the U.S. Senate (of which the last two years, incidentally, were spent almost entirely on campaigning for the presidency rather than on attending to any legislative duties—as evidenced by the very large number of votes for which he was not present during that period).
This document will look also at several of Obama’s alliances that are of immense significance, examining the nature of those relationships and the reasons why they are so important.
If you, the reader, are already aware of the considerations discussed herein and you intend nevertheless to vote for Barack Obama, your decision is to be respected. In the marketplace of ideas, we are not all required to select items from the same shelves.
But perhaps you are an Obama supporter who is unaware of many or most of the things discussed in this document. If that is the case—as it probably is—the information contained herein is likely to have a profound influence on your measure of Mr. Obama. It is for your consideration that this is written.
You may approach this document in either of two ways. You may, as is recommended, start at the beginning of the narrative and read it through to the end. But if you prefer, you may also click on those particular subheadings that most interest you, and read them in any sequence you wish…….
Table of Contents:
Obama’s Major Alliances, Affiliations, and Influences
* William Ayers: “Someone Who Lives in My Neighborhood”
* Bernardine Dohrn: Another ex-Terrorist. Marxist Political Ally
* Pro-Soviet Political Ally: Alice Palmer
* Attending the Socialist Scholars Conferences
* Saul Alinsky: The Marxist Who Was Obama’s Strongest Enduring Influence
* ACORN: Socialists and Criminals with Longstanding Ties to Obama
* Fannie Mae and Obama
* Endorsement by the Democratic Socialists of America
* Alliance with the Marxist “New Party”
* Alliance with Carl Davidson, Marxist
* Obama Cites Arafat/PLO Supporter, Rashid Khalidi, As Voice of Reason
* Obama’s Pro-Arafat Political Advisor
* Another Obama Associate Who Sees Israel’s Creation As a “Catastrophe”
* Obama’s Alliance with Multi-Billionaire George Soros, and Why It Matters so Greatly
* Louis Farrakhan
* Rev. Jeremiah Wright
* Rev. Otis Moss
* Rev. Michael Pfleger
* Cornel West (Marxist) and Obama’s Black Advisory Council
* Rev. Al Sharpton
* Khalid al-Mansour
* Political Alliance with MoveOn.org
* Political Alliance with an Advocate of Reparations for Slavery
* Obama’s Lies about His Muslim Upbringing As a Child
Issues and Perspectives
* Redistribution of Wealth
* Abortion
* Immigration
* Energy Policy
* Taxes
* Foreign Policy
* Homeland Security / War on Terror
* Should Terror Suspects Be Tried by Military Commissions (or by Civilian Courts)?
* Habeas Corpus for Detained Terror Suspects?
* Military / Missile Defense / Weapons Systems
* The War in Afghanistan
* The Iraq War
* Education
* Busing and Race-Conscious Admissions Policies
* Affirmative Action
* Constitution / Supreme Court
* Environment
* Same-Sex Marriage
* Racial Gerrymandering of Voting Districts
* Welfare Reform
* Earmarks
* Criminal Justice
* Gender Discrimination
* Foreign Aid
* Foreign Contributions to Obama’s Presidential Campaign
* Obama Likens Aspects of America to Nazi Germany
Conclusion…….”
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I still say that the Obama phenomenon is a cruel media hoax, and that there is no way that America is going to elect a man who comes from a background of having been a red diaper baby with a lefty nutjob white trash mother, and a Muslim father and schooling in Indonesia.
With decades of associations from his youngest years, with Communist Party of the USA members.
His associations with unrepentant ex-Weathermen terrorists. His associations as “community organiser”, with radical Left anti-Western-Christian culture educational and social foundations, including serving on boards with multimillion dollar budgets, with those ex-terrorists. The columns he wrote in a radical leftwing rag over several years, that could have come straight from the pen of Chris Trotter.
His voting record in the Senate in Illinois and in Washington. The most-Leftwing voting record possible. Not one “bipartisan” activity to his name (unlike McCain who has sponsored numerous pieces of legislation with a Democratic Party Co-sponsor).
His associations with “black power” activists/”churchmen” and grievance culture politics. Attending Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years, and having his own children baptised by him, and giving large sums to his church from boards of which he was a member. Naming his book “The Audacity of hope” after a sermon by Wright. Then having the gall to say he didn’t really know the guy.
His recorded (on video) unwillingness to sing the National Anthem or salute the flag or say the pledge of allegiance.
His associations with radical Islamists. (Columnist Daniel Pipes writes that Obama would not pass a security clearance if he had applied for a job at a government department).
His recorded comments on changes to the constitution not having proceeded rapidly enough up till now. His comments about “spreading the wealth around” and the hypocrisy involved in his close family all still living in poverty while he is worth millions. The disturbing fact that he is the first ever high profile candidate who has NEVER had a single surviving parent or grandparent on stage with him or on TV with him.
The fact that his career at University, his marks, and what he wrote in his Thesises, have been concealed through privacy law. (Would you EMPLOY a guy who hid this much from you?). Over all, his incredible shameless ability to LIE about all this and deceive millions of gullible people.
As Melanie Phillips put it, “pinch me”, if this man is a potential future President of the USA, I must be asleep and having a nightmare.
But if the MSM DO pull this off, they will still lose something as a result. The Obama Presidency will be marked by such disaster for the USA that I suggest that a rerun of the McCarthy hearings will be necessary for the movement that put him into power. One Vidkun Quisling gave his name to posterity when he sold his country to the Nazis. Something similar is happening here, only on a massive scale. It is the neo-Marxist “Long March Through The Institutions” reaching its logical conclusion.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
I’m beginning to think you’re the cruel media hoax Phil. The men in white coats can’t come soon enough. What next? Prepare for Holocaust II?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
One of my favourite lyrics; from “Twisted”, by Annie Ross (covered by Joni Mitchell later)
“My analyst told me…..
Vote:That I was right out of my head….
I said, my dear doctor…..
I think that it’s YOU instead…..
I’m gonna have the last laugh on you…..
‘Cause I’ve got something that’s shiny and new…..
Instead of one head…….
I’ve got TWO….! “
November 4th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
YESSS…!!!!! The long anticipated whitewash is complete.
The Cops have found that Winnie Peters electoral return for 2007 DID NOT breach the Electoral Finance Act.
Do we laugh, cry, sigh, or spew?
http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release.html?id=4456
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
YESSS…!!!!! The long anticipated whitewash is complete.
The Cops have found that Winnie Peters electoral return for 2007 DID NOT breach the Electoral Finance Act.
Do we laugh, cry, sigh, or spew?
http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release.html?id=4456
Oh good, I’m glad this has gone to moderation; MR FARRAR, take note……I was going to send u an email but presumably u will see this.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
I can well imagine. You weren’t born in Tassie were you?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
The US election:
There hasn’t been a finer orator since Germany, 1933. Born out of a similar financial crisis, too.
Watch that space!
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 12:53 am
It will be brilliant if John McCain wins. The reaction from the media in the US will be priceless.
Vote: