DPF, what did you aim to achieve by publishing drivel like this on the eve of a significant Christian festival? I thought Whaleoil would be odds on for the bad taste blog post of the year, but seems you’ve beaten him just in sight of the winning post. While I often disagree with you, your posts are usually thoughtful, and those in the “humour” category usually funny. This is neither. Whatever inspired you to post this rubbish?
[DPF: Well I found it funny. And the ability to laugh at stereotypes is important]
Totally not offensive, but perhaps you do have to be familiar with American Jewish culture to really “get it”. JAPs love it. My Jewish American friend who posted it on his Facebook profile has had a positive response to the clip… Happy Hanukkah and a Merry Christmas to you all
I’d be curious to know where you stood on the Mohammed cartoons, toad.
The irony is that when the Iranian govt tried to “get even” on the Mohammed cartoons, they ran an anti-Jewish cartoon competition. The joke is, the Jews tended to find the cartoons funny because they were so outlandish and sterotypical.
COntext is everything. A ditzy “Jewish American Princess” singing a song that makes fun of herself is hardly racist/intolerant/bigoted.
But when a Nazi or skinhead does it about Jews, the intent is clearly different.
One is to whip up hate, the other is a laugh (although I thought this joke was a little tired after ninety seconds). I’m surprised you are invoking catchcries of racism/religious intolerance when its clear its just a joke at ones own expense.
‘Baiter – there are some Greens who are into Gaia, perceiving it (as I understand) as the collective consciousness of all living things.
I’m not one of them. I believe that all living things are interdependent (and interdependent with the ecosystems withing which they exist), but not that there exists a collective consciousness among them.
It is you who is doing the stereotyping ‘Baiter – “All Greens believe…” Well, we don’t. I suspect those who believe in Gaia are a small minority.
All off the topic. The fact is your political concerns are no different from any other article of faith. Religion or mysticism or spirituality. I repeat my main point. Do not come on here criticising religion and using phrases like you did. Especially about “impinging on lives”. Your whole ambition is to use government to force others to comply with your religionist ideas. To change their lives. You have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about forcing your ideas on others. Ideas that you cannot win people over to by persuasion and reason, and that you can only get into the mainstream by means of indoctrinating innocent and naive school children.
This is Kiwiblog, not some dopey green patronised web site full of dope smoking mungbeans who wouldn’t know if someone was up them with a green pineapple. You will get called on such transparent and arrant hypocrisy.
THE FEAR OF THE LORD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM
(Psalm 111:10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
When this concept first fell into my ears I rejected it. I rejected the idea that the Almighty was like this, that he wanted people to be afraid of him; to cower like the people of ancient Greece cowered before Zeus and Poseidon. I saw the people of Greece in my head, creating gods from themselves; from their own characteristics. I saw them make the gods and goddesses from the people around them. And so to hear that the true GOD, the Almighty, was the same way, disgusted me. It disgusted me that he wanted me to be afraid of him. I thought to myself, “surely the real Almighty, the one who watched the gods and goddesses of Greece and Rome come and go from existence cannot be like them. Surely he must not be this simple as to have me cower at church as if he were a giant murderer, inches from striking at me specifically.” I continued such thoughts and felt that my informal and admittedly false idea of the Almighty was actually more noble than the real Almighty. Time passed and I matured as a person through certain mystical and existential experiences and found that the verse was truly not that petty and that the Almighty was not that way.
The First thing that moved me towards the idea that my idea of this verse was false was that to fear the Almighty was to fear the most fearful thing. Should I become lost in the snow my first fear should not be a bear, but frostbite. And if I should become lost in the desert my first fear should not be snakes, but thirst. Likewise, at this present state, as a living individual, my greatest fear should not be murderers or thieves or exclusion from a social group or spiders or dark places or heights or Satan or public speaking: it should be the Lord. And the crucial reason for this is not the intentions of the Lord, because he has good intentions, but the power of the Lord; because his power is greater than any spider or mass of people or dark place. Everything else, every car accident and rape and explosion only kills the body. An explosion will rip a body apart, an accident will crush limbs…but the Lord can kill that thing that cannot be killed by a spider bite or fatal wound.
From here a Second conclusion can be made, which is that to fear the Lord, more than any other, is to see the world rightly. The first conclusion only assesses the current situation, life, and states that the most dangerous (powerful) creature is God. The second conclusion is that this understanding is good. When I realized the first truth, the other followed. When I saw that the Almighty truly was the being most worth fearing, my other irrational fears of snakes and deep waters became less intimidating. And this was good. I did not fear social situations or individual pressures. Once a poor man came to me and begged I thought to myself, “this person is trying to woo me into giving him money, but I do not think that he really needs it; and he has refused my offer to buy him food or clothing. This leads me to believe that he wants something that he knows I would not offer to buy him. But instead of becoming overwhelmed by his persistent pleading, instead of letting the world cave in I will look to the sky, to the night clouds and notice that the Almighty is not displeased with my decision but glad that I do not want this man to buy alcohol or cocaine.” I said that I would not give him money and I walked to my car.
The Third truth that comes from this statement is that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. This means that wisdom cannot be had until one sees the world properly and applies that knowledge properly. The situation is similar to the military. In the beginning the recruits are scorned and threatened and told rude things, so that they will fear their leader. The reason why this is done is not because the leader enjoys speaking such sharp words (though some do), but because the leader desires that when obedience is needed, it will be given. During war, when one is frantic and scared, one needs to fear disobeying the leader over being shot, so that through obeying the leader one will escape from being shot. Likewise if a recruit cannot fear or submit to his leader then he becomes a danger to his leader and also to his fellow men. He becomes wild. He is not a noble man for rebelling because he rebels against the false idea that the leader wants people to fear him. He thinks that the leader finds deep pleasure in such harshness. But in truth the harshness stops once obedience is found. And so if one can truly fear the Lord over any other, then from there one can truly begin their travels along the road of wisdom.
Fourthly, this verse is also a good measure to the validity of one’s Christianity. As much as it is a word of advice, it is also a word of measurement. As it says, “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” This means that if one is not fearful of him, then, one might not admit his existence at all. In a similar way if I am in the ocean, and if I hear warnings of sharks but do not heed them then I must either think that I am going to be unnoticed by them or that the sharks really aren’t there at all. When I admit that the Almighty exists, that he moved past Elijah and made earthquakes and fire; that he sent darkness and insects into Egypt; and that he himself died and rose again, I must let those truths affect me, I must transfer them into existence and see that no tsunami or bear or mad man can do to me what the Almighty can do to me. And if I do not, if I do not fear the Lord, then I must admit that I do not recognize his existence, for though a man can sit in the same room with a snake and not fear it, no such thing can be done with the Almighty.
Fifthly, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom . It is not the beginning of a crippling life of servitude towards a harsh deity. It is the beginning of wisdom. It can be the beginning of weakness and fear, but that is only if one pays attention to the command and not the essence of the command. Should two men sin, one fearing the Lord and the other fearing man, then two different prayers would go from them to their Lord. The one who fears the Lord will say something similar to this, “Oh, Lord I have lost my perception of this world, I have lost sight of your weighty love and power. Please, Almighty, cause me to fear you over any other so that I can be in accord with you and every good thing.” The other will say another prayer which might sound similar to, “Oh God please forgive me of my trespass. Please look away from me for a time, please give me forgiveness and peace and please help me not do it again.” Now the second prayer is not without genuineness but the first possesses a quality of asking the Almighty to show his fearful side. The other is avoiding it. The first is like a child who asks for discipline while the second asks for the discipline to be passed. And here is the beginning of wisdom, for here one is not just obedient but eager for rightness with the Almighty.
The Sixth truth that comes from this verse is that only this fear casts out fear. All other fears will essentially be destroyed for every other creature or idea or place rests under the Almighty. When a man tries to justify a fear he usually states that, “sharks are the most violent fish in the sea” or that “the anaconda is the most dangerous snake in the world.” I and others say this because no one would honestly say they are scared of the second most poisonous spider in the world. Likewise, when we are given a right understanding of the fear of the Lord no other animal or situation can scare us as much because nothing else is as powerful. And so when this truth successfully drops through the cage of pride, bounces down the stairs of psychology and lands in the warm waters of one’s soul, one can truly fear the Lord over one’s self, a mass of angry men, etc.
The fear of the Lord is not like the fear of a caged lion, but that of a free lion, that is in your room, that is protecting you from a jackal.
I thought it was funny and the singer is a bit of a spunk.
Toad, I suppose you won’t want the Billy T James CD for a present then. A Maori boy portraying his race as a bit thick at times.
Merry Xmas everyone.
Toad – I am a Jew and found it absolutely hilarious and will forward to my Rabbi whoI know will find it funny too. Can you please get over yourself already. I find it so-oo patronising having PC types tell us what we can and can’t laugh at. There was nothing anti-semitic about it, it’s lightweight satire, nothing more. No doubt you find the ability for Jews to accept and dish out self-deprecation a challenge, don’t worry we have been doing it for nearly five thousand years you putz and don’t you nudnik shaygetz coming in here and telling me what I can and can’t plotz over. No doubt you support the kind of ridiculous schtick going on at the UN which the Muslims are pushing which is to ban anything perceived to be ‘offensive’ which is sold as ‘tolerance’ but any schlmiel knows that it is simply eradication of freedom of speech.
Chag Channukah Sameach (Happy Channukah) to all my fellow Yids and Merry Christmas to all Christians
Toad, its christmas. Could you try to be a little more tollerant and a little less sanctimonious. Personally I find the speed at which you take offense to be (in its self) offensive. Much of New Zeland humour is based on stereotypes: as skyblue notes perhaps you’d care to see all records of Billy T James’ existance burnt. Personally, I don’t see the problem with making fun of an archtype. Fault can lie with audience members who believe everyone in a particular segment of society acts like the said archtype, however this is a result of their own inferior intelligence rather than the humour in its self. I would ask that you not hold the majority of us to ransom because of the intellectual limitations of the green movement (note the humourous and subtle irony here).
Moreover I don’t see anything particularly negative in either of the two stereotypes you list on your blog.
Toad complains about the following lyrics on frog blog:
“…boys with a big schtick…”
“…and the big box office makes Jews millionaires…”
Indeed I will (in a semi-cheeky tone) note that being “successful” in either the two catagories frog lists is generally considered positive, and will thus suggest that frog’s complaints are just another facet of the politics of envy that he and his ilk tend to peddle (more clever irony here – I’d rather not have to point it out but to me toad seems just that dumb).
Merry Christmas to everyone, and toad happy non-denominational school and public holiday in the people’s democratic republic of Aotearoa (and formerly New Zealand).
Darn after reading the first 3 comments,i would say you have a hard row to hoe with the sadsacks who pose as posters?
FUNNY clip DF, im not offended ,as a free thinker it was good.Some posters should wear loosier underwear and have a glass of wine(OPPS they dont relax EVER)
MERRY CHRISTMAS, David F
If that’s so funny, where is the “Our Virgin Mary got raped by the Lord” song?. As a Christian, I would think that was hilarious, especially with lots of scantily clad women doing simulated rape things with Gods “SHTICK”, you know?
Only if you find that funny and non-offensive do you have my respect for consistency.
I can also feel a song about Mohamed and a pork sausage coming on.
PS: I wasn’t offended. I just don’t have the right information or background to understand why it is funny. Possibly a reflection of not having ANY exposure to Jewish faith and life styles other than the stereotypes presented by movies and TV.
Yes i agree Jews are funny. They have won the most NOBEL prises by far per head of population ,heaps and heaps,IE THEY ARE BRIGHT but then the sadsack posters will say all our problems are caused by jews.I say GROW up and get a life and LAUGH abit , i feel jews do in the face of all the threats to their religion and race . there are BORING sadsacks everwhere (MISERY LOVES COMPANY)so be miserable over on the standard site
i am a Jewish and i think it is good but crap as we did not kill “the savior” (he did not even exist ) sorry if u think he did well all i can say is do not have high hopes about it.who heard off a person that can walk on water ha ha ha . how much whiskey
do u need to drink to believe in it ? happy christmas
I thought it was funny. Can you inagine how many Jews, even really conservative orthodox ones will attack embassies, burn effigies and chant “Behead those that insult Judaism” there will be when news of this vid gets out to the Jewish Street?
I had better stick to my plan for a rendition (to the tune of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer) of Mohammed the Peodophile Prohpet. At least Muslims don’t get angry.
“an you inagine how many Jews, even really conservative orthodox ones will attack embassies, burn effigies and chant “Behead those that insult Judaism” there will be when news of this vid gets out to the Jewish Street?”
Petal: “Jews are STILL under the influence of Helsinki Syndrome”
Petal, I think you are talking nonsense, if you think about it. The Jews have responded with immediate force to any miltary threat from any of its neighbours. These sort of actions are entirely inconsistent with the Helsinki Syndrome.
Toad, like most Green Party members, is always being “offended” by something. Love his hypocrisy though. He does not so-called “fundamentalisms” impinging on him, but his party wants to ban anything that moves and tell every kiwi how to live, what food to buy, and how many kids to have.
The overly sensitive would get offended, get a life. People that get offended by this video live in their own little fantasy world, full of denial of reality and reinforced often by drugs; true fundamentalists.
Lee, I didn’t suggest that the video should be banned. There is a difference between saying something should be banned and saying it is irresponsible and offensive to promote it.
The reference in the video to “They may have killed our Saviour, That’s not the best behaviour, That’s okay he rose three days later”, however, reinforces the myth that the Jews, rather than the Romans, were wholly or substantially responsible for the death of Jesus. That myth is the substantial basis for Christian anti-Semitism – from the First Crusade to the Third Reich. Millions of Jews have died over the centuries because of that myth, so I don’t think reinforcing it, even under the guise of humour, is either funny or responsible.
Rubbish toad. The so-called “anti-semitic” line you quote is delivered as self-aware parody. Couldn’t be clearer. AND it’s funny. Your concern is for those impressionable and ignorant “lesser” types that you dream of smugly patronising, if you ever got a life.
Anyway, anti-semitism is a pretentious and racist fly-swatter term, no matter who uses it. Strictly speaking, arabs are every bit as semitic as jews.
enough rope – you are strictly correct (the second para, that is) re both Jews and Arabs being Semitic peoples. However, the term “anti-Semitism” is almost exclusively (albeit incorrectly) used in relation to Jews.
I guess your first para is a matter of opinion. While it may be intended as parody I didn’t find it in the least bit funny.
enough rope – you are strictly correct (the second para, that is) re both Jews and Arabs being Semitic peoples.
I made it perfectly clear that I don’t need you to tell me that. Still, besotted as you are by your sense of your own self-importance, nothing’s true until YOU say it.
I didn’t find it in the least bit funny.
So you’ll be saying, long after everyone else has forgotten this piece of mildly amusing fluff. That’s what being yesterday’s man is all about.
Toad, the song does not justify an anti-semetic myth as you suggest. Rather, in a humorous way, it argues that we should put aside the myth, so that, EVEN IF the Jews had some responsibility in the death of Christ, there is no reason why we should not form positive, affectionate relationships with Jewish people now. Read the lyrics instead of jumping to knee-jerk assumptions.
I never said you wanted it banned, I said it was hypocritical of you to claim that “fundamentalists” want to impinge on your life, when you support a political party that wants to impinge on my life in extensive and deeply authoritarian ways. It is also hypocritical to complain about the promotion of bigotry when your party continues to promote bigotry against the conservative and evangelical Christians who opposed the anti-smacking law change. Your (and Russell Normans) use of the false term “fundamentalist” and phrases such as “fundamentalists who want to BEAT their children ( a direct quote of Russell Norman) to describe such Christians is the very same kind of hate speech and intolerant bigotry your complaining about.
You cannot have it both ways. Either your truly opposed to ALL bigotry and intolerance, including your own parties, or your a hypocrite.
So, remove the log from your own and your parties eye before preaching to others.
I am a Judeophile and a Christian Zionist. I know very well the hatred and persecution that Jewish people face. But the fact is that most of that danger today comes from Islamo-fascist terrorists like Hamas and the PLO, which Green Party foriegn affairs spokesmen Keith Locke has expressed open support for.
So again, remove the log from your parties eyes first.
If a Jewish person posts here and says that its wrong and should be removed I will support them. I will not take any notice of your hypocritical and self-serving whining, and neither should anyone else here.
Hey my Jewish brother wants you know that he is sick to death of people like you being offended on his behalf. Since your parter is so openly anti-Semetic every other day of the year we wonder where with this being offended comes from.
But then we don’t really give a crap. Piss off and worship Stalin while squealing for more supression of free speech while deciding that only you and your xenophobic bretheren are fit to decide what others can and can’t see or hear.
The clip is hystercial and you’re a po faced anal grinch with a sense of humor by pass. God loves you anyway (the rest of us think you’re a knob though).
Truth is, the US media and hollywood, ownership of which is completely dominated by people who claim to be of Jewish descent, play it up and pretend that anti-semitism is alive and well. It isn’t, but it suits the interests of people who claim to be of Jewish descent to continue that pretense.
People even wail hysterically and scream “anti-semitism” when you calmly point out such facts as the above-mentioned ownership. They either try and deny that it exists at all, or alternatively they pretend that such ownership has no effect on spreading the anti-semitic propaganda message. Some idiots even pretend that that act of making such a connection means the person is being anti-semitic. When you calmly point out such facts as “when was the last time you saw a positive portrayal of an Arab in a Hollywood movie?” the hysteria grows to biblical proportions.
I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe “the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews,” down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.