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	<title>Comments on: Annette stole our embryos</title>
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		<title>By: kiwipolemicist</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/annette_stole_our_embryos.html#comment-521033</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwipolemicist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[DPF: The genetic material came from the parents. They should decide what happens to it, not the state]

I still say that Stent&#039;s article is flawed, because the baby gets half of its DNA from the mother and half from the father: it&#039;s not a part of the mother&#039;s body. The convention is that an organism with its own DNA code is a unique life form. If not then a bunch of criminals will be wanting early releases.

[DPF: I think they should be destroyed without parental consent. The &quot;parents&quot; gave them for one purpose - IVF, and they should not have remained stored without consent]

Therein is the problem with IVF: what&#039;s to be done with all those unwanted babies?

According to DPF it&#039;s not ok to freeze a baby without consent but it is ok to kill one without consent. Nothing personal, but that&#039;s what happens with moral relativism.</description>
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<p>I still say that Stent&#8217;s article is flawed, because the baby gets half of its DNA from the mother and half from the father: it&#8217;s not a part of the mother&#8217;s body. The convention is that an organism with its own DNA code is a unique life form. If not then a bunch of criminals will be wanting early releases.</p>
<p>[DPF: I think they should be destroyed without parental consent. The "parents" gave them for one purpose - IVF, and they should not have remained stored without consent]</p>
<p>Therein is the problem with IVF: what&#8217;s to be done with all those unwanted babies?</p>
<p>According to DPF it&#8217;s not ok to freeze a baby without consent but it is ok to kill one without consent. Nothing personal, but that&#8217;s what happens with moral relativism.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[DPF: The genetic material came from the parents. They should decide what happens to it, not the state]&quot;

That would be true of a two year old as well. So child murder would be acceptable to you based on your argument, so long as the parents or mother did the killing.</description>
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<p>That would be true of a two year old as well. So child murder would be acceptable to you based on your argument, so long as the parents or mother did the killing.</p>
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		<title>By: LabourDoesntWork</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/annette_stole_our_embryos.html#comment-520982</link>
		<dc:creator>LabourDoesntWork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Right To Kill Lala-land it&#039;s a body part if it&#039;s not wanted; if it&#039;s wanted, then it&#039;s a child.
Btw an embryo is not genetic material from the parents; it&#039;s a new life. Otherwise it wouldn&#039;t be any more use for this type of experimentation than sperm and eggs would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Right To Kill Lala-land it&#8217;s a body part if it&#8217;s not wanted; if it&#8217;s wanted, then it&#8217;s a child.<br />
Btw an embryo is not genetic material from the parents; it&#8217;s a new life. Otherwise it wouldn&#8217;t be any more use for this type of experimentation than sperm and eggs would be.</p>
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		<title>By: MacDoctor</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/annette_stole_our_embryos.html#comment-520980</link>
		<dc:creator>MacDoctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPF: &lt;i&gt;I’m all in favour of embryo research, but only if the parents give consent&lt;/i&gt;

David, the whole issue here is that the parents cannot be contacted. In the face of this, I think using these embryos for research is a reasonable thing to do.

Stent&#039;s reasoning here is utterly fallacious, as I have pointed out on my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.macdoctor.co.nz/?p=1071&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; (apologies for link-whoring).

[DPF: I think they should be destroyed without parental consent. The &quot;parents&quot; gave them for one purpose - IVF, and they should not have remained stored without consent]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF: <i>I’m all in favour of embryo research, but only if the parents give consent</i></p>
<p>David, the whole issue here is that the parents cannot be contacted. In the face of this, I think using these embryos for research is a reasonable thing to do.</p>
<p>Stent&#8217;s reasoning here is utterly fallacious, as I have pointed out on my <a href="http://www.macdoctor.co.nz/?p=1071" rel="nofollow">blog</a> (apologies for link-whoring).</p>
<p>[DPF: I think they should be destroyed without parental consent. The "parents" gave them for one purpose - IVF, and they should not have remained stored without consent]</p>
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		<title>By: kiwipolemicist</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiwipolemicist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article by Robyn Stent is seriously flawed in that a baby in utero is not a &quot;body part&quot;: how can the baby be a part of the woman&#039;s body when it has different DNA?

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/the-state-can-steal-parts-of-your-body-heres-how-to-make-a-protest/

http://christianclassicalliberalist.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/abortion-is-an-unwanted-baby-a-trespasser/

[DPF: The genetic material came from the parents. They should decide what happens to it, not the state]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article by Robyn Stent is seriously flawed in that a baby in utero is not a &#8220;body part&#8221;: how can the baby be a part of the woman&#8217;s body when it has different DNA?</p>
<p><a href="http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/the-state-can-steal-parts-of-your-body-heres-how-to-make-a-protest/" rel="nofollow">http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/the-state-can-steal-parts-of-your-body-heres-how-to-make-a-protest/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://christianclassicalliberalist.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/abortion-is-an-unwanted-baby-a-trespasser/" rel="nofollow">http://christianclassicalliberalist.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/abortion-is-an-unwanted-baby-a-trespasser/</a></p>
<p>[DPF: The genetic material came from the parents. They should decide what happens to it, not the state]</p>
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