Another time bomb for the new Government

December 13th, 2008 at 9:57 am by David Farrar

Something else Labour forgot to mention before the election – Eden Park probably won’t be ready in time for the 2011 Rugby World Cup because of the time taken to get consents.

And this is Labour who claims the doesn’t need reform!

The new Government may have to pass a special law over-riding the consent process for Eden Park. Let’s hope not, as that is unfair to residents – but not having Eden Park ready in time is not an option.

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57 Responses to “Another time bomb for the new Government”

  1. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    Helen Clark didn’t want the stadium in her backyard.

    Diddums. :lol:

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  2. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    Oh come on, DPF, we can’t have our cake and eat it too, that is the trouble with the RMA.

    We simply should not have to choose between “unfair to residents” (or trees, or snails) and “of vital national significance”.

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  3. ThinkBig (40 comments) says:

    Remember the funding levels Mallard promised us for the waterfront stadium? Remember how it was virtually paid for? Now tell me, how much are Auckland ratepayers paying for something the whole country will benefit from? If there is ever any more evidence needed of Labour being petulant and upset at not getting what they want, this is it.

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  4. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    By the look at the hole in the ARC’s books they won’t be able to pay their water bill this year or next.
    That’s what you get when you allow bureaucrats to “invest” the ratepayers money in overseas funds. A lot like the ACC and the Cullen fund.
    Imagine how much better off we would all be if we had just been left with our own money. Wow

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  5. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Oh dear how sad, personally I would love the RWC to be take away from us as I have no desire to pay for a stadium in Auckland.

    If the NZRU wants the RWC then they are the people who should be paying for a new stadium, failing that it is the people of Auckland who should be funding a new Eden Park not the tax payer.

    The bloody RWC should have gone to Japan in the first place, NZ will make a complete fuck up of the tournament, the 2011 RWC will be an national embarrassment.

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  6. billyborker (1,102 comments) says:

    but not having Eden Park ready in time is not an option.

    Of course its an option,and its an option fully supported by the ARU – The Anti-Rugby Union.

    Think big, how will I benefit from something I don’t want and don’t care about in a city I never visit?

    big bruv is right on this one – the NZRU should be opening its own coffers – it is, after all, a successful business that doesn’t need a taxpayer handout for its own infrastructure. I didn’t mind tax and rates being spent on sporting grounds when I could use them on off days, but now the fields have been privatised, coropratised and bastardised, let the user pay.

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  7. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    It could be worse, we might have gotten the olympics.

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  8. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Don’t worry. The way things are going down the shute economically, probably no money to pay for it anyway.

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  9. ThinkBig (40 comments) says:

    Billyborker, there are economic benefits to hosting sporting tournaments. Of course, we should only do things that everyone likes. We’ll get so much done!

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  10. 3-coil (1,220 comments) says:

    It looks like “Bleedin’ Park” will be bleeding us all dry for a few years yet…

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  11. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Thinkbig

    And 99% of those economic benefits will go to Auckland therefore the Auckland ratepayers, the NZRU or business people are the ones who should pay for the new Eden Park.

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  12. ThinkBig (40 comments) says:

    Cool. So seeing as Auckland only very recently got it’s fair share of the roading budget, can we have our money back from everyone else? Also, the tournament is being played around New Zealand.

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  13. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Oh shit – Maybe the RUGBY UNION might have to put up some money.

    Oooppppp sorry – maybe not – they owe the Hamilton City Council over $100,000 in unpaid rent for the Hamilton stadium. And the Waikato Union wont let others use the stadium on many occasions ‘incase’ they wanted it for some unknown occassion.

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  14. Grant Michael McKenna (1,160 comments) says:

    I am so tempted to say that we should put forward the amendments to the RMA, but don’t allow them to become law unless passed by a referendum, and cancel 2011 unless the referendum passes, but 2011 might be the reason people nix RMA reform- which is necessary.

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  15. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Whatever amendments (or bypassing legislation) that is required for the stadium to go ahead should be made to the RMA in such a way that it’s applied equally to all. I don’t see why a stadium should get an exemption while a private ratepayers subdivision for infill housing takes forever.

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  16. jastowns (126 comments) says:

    the government may have to pass a special law=take away your rights
    be very careful,this new world order stooge keys plans to fuck us all
    rugby,fuck the rugby,people rights are far more important than chasing a ball around the feild,but feel free to blame the previous bunch of stooges(labour)for this government taking your rights away if you think its makes a differance
    this is happening all over the world it has nothing to do with rugby WAKE UP

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  17. ThinkBig (40 comments) says:

    Thank god, I’m no longer the craziest one here.

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  18. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    We’re still on what Key plans to do while we’re suposed to ignore what Clark ACTUALLY did?

    Did you not GET the election results on your planet jas?

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  19. Owen McShane (1,226 comments) says:

    AS soon as the Eden Park proposal was mooted I wrote several pieces pointing out that it could be guaranteed to be completed on time.
    Unfortunately the first Digests were lost in a hard drive crash. (Problem since remedied).But here is one I from my Digest of 19th January 2007.

    “Item 6 –Let’s Build the World Cup Stadium in South Auckland – where it really belongs.
    Seehttp://subs.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1040

    In my earlier comment on the difficulties of building the World Cup Stadium on time I avoided “picking a winner” because I wanted to focus on the general problems of consent and transport. However, I must say that the proposal from Pete Bossley and Barry Copeland has much going for it – and in terms of architectural design and urban function it seems far and away the best proposal to date.

    Herald columnist Brian Rudman has damned it which means it must be good. Peter and Barry open their story with:
    “It has been reported that our proposal for a National Stadium on the Manukau Harbour was conceived over a beer. A fellow architect rang and asked what we were drinking; he wanted some.”
    So take that Mr Rudman.

    The architects’ own arguments are well presented in the story at the web link above.

    I would like to present some other “points in favour”.

    First, their genius is in the decision to build the stadium over the water in the Manukau Harbour – a stadium which “floats” within the seascape like a giant water lily, totally surrounded by water. While this might sound similar to the proposals to build the stadium on the Auckland waterfront the visual impact of the Bossley/Copeland stadium is completely different. The two waterfront stadia would block the view of the water and join a row of structures along the waterfront which tend to isolate Aucklanders from their harbour. They would both be visual barriers and obstructions to movement towards the sea.

    On the other hand, the Bossley/Copeland stadium would be an integral part of the seascape. A journey to the stadium would be a journey out and into into the “waterworld” of the Manukau Harbour.
    This structure would lead people’s eyes out and into the harbour and its environs, while providing no “obstruction” at all. Think of the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbour, the Oakland Bay Bridge, or even Venice. I know these are clumsy metaphors but maybe that’s because the Bossley/Copeland stadium would be decently unique.

    And by locating the stadium “in” the water, we would remind everyone of New Zealanders’ close association with the sea, both in our daily lives and in marine sports and recreation. I trust people would be allowed to fish off the circular terraces.

     
    Also, this is simply the right place for such a stadium because it “belongs” in South Auckland and South Aucklanders deserve to “own” it.
    Look at the ethnic makeup of the All Blacks and most top-ranked Rugby and League teams. Then look at the ethnic make-up of South Auckland.

    When North Shore won the Ranfurly Shield many commentators believed this would finally fill the Albany stadium with local fans. No such luck. They stayed away in droves. So why should North Shore get the World Cup venue. Enthusiasm, like charity, begins at home.

    On a pragmatic note it would be a brave South Aucklander who would appeal against a decision to locate the stadium in the Manukau Harbour. The good folk of Mt Eden and Auckland can hardly wait.

    Let’s face it – South Auckland is the centre of these team sports and Manukau City is becoming the Event Centre of the Auckland Region.
    The location is well located in relation to the Auckland/Waikato/Bay of Plenty population of sports fans. 
    Demographically this stadium “belongs” to the people of Manukau more than to the people of Mt Eden, or North Shore, or the CBD.
    It’s also at the centre of the construction labour force.

    So come on Sir Barry. Stand up and stake your claim!
    The government would pour the money into South Auckland because it would totally overwhelm the memories of the Taito Field affair.
    And the decent people of South Auckland would have something to feel good about for a change.
    Which may be the most potent argument of all.”
    IF any of you want to receive my Digests just email me at omcshane@wk.planet.gen.nz

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  20. jastowns (126 comments) says:

    yes lets ignor the real issue here,the fact that a law will be passed that take away your rights over a game
    tell me murray how will remembering what the last government has done effect what this government is doing,grow up
    people have died for the very rights this government will piss away while all the morons talk about how important rugby is
    this law will give the government more power over us all,you think your free to make up your own mind,wake up
    anything that gives government power over the people is wrong,in a free country the government works to preserve freedoms for the people,not give more power to them selfs
    the issue here is that your rights will be taken from you,its got nothing to do with a game,open your fucken eyes

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  21. Nicholas O'Kane (168 comments) says:

    Wow

    At least the fact they didn’t go ahead with the waterfront stadium shows there are some limits to Labours stupidity.

    If we had gone with the waterfront stadium, by the time it got past the RMA the 2011 would have been already finnished.

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  22. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Wasnt Helen on the team that pitched for the RWC?

    Didnt Trevor promise a world class infrastructure to cater for the RWC?

    Didnt Auckland Mayors tell the gummint to rack off if they thought ratepayers would pick up the bill?

    So where is the allocated funding Trevor? Helen? Did it fall down the back of the couch?

    Obviously this is a great way of demonstrating the inefficiencies of the RMA that will resonsate with a large chunk of NZ.

    This story isnt about ‘rights’ being taken away from you (jastowns) its about remodelling an unworkable piece of legislation. But you keep up the standard substandard line about ‘rights’. Although you may want to work on your anti-key line – ‘new world order key stooges’ come on mate, thats about a 7 year olds level.

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  23. johnbt (90 comments) says:

    Did someone say human rights are more important than Rugby? What a dickhead.

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  24. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Damn, what a bunch of socialists the Nats are, talk about corporate bloody welfare.
    Pro rugby is a business, if they cannot afford to build a stadium for their business let them get out of the so called business.
    What does some old pensioner on a fixed low income owe some bugger earning ? over $300, 000. ?

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  25. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    New Zealand would fall back into the ocean if we didnt have rugby. So on that basis every man woman and child needs to report for duty at eden Park every weekend for the next 1000 days.

    jastowns – NWO, yeah I’ll look that up with some urgency.

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  26. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Remind me again grumpyoldhori – which political party organized and drove this whole thing? Oh yes, it was the Labour Party. They were halfway to signing the paperwork for a fucking Waterfront Stadium mate.

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  27. jastowns (126 comments) says:

    expat how much money has the average kiwi made from rugby?i thought i was talking to someone with a little common sense,gos to show you im not always right
    dont look up the NWO i dont care,carry on thinking you know it all,like a 7 year old

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  28. calendar girl (1,242 comments) says:

    For our general enlightenment we now have another contributor who raves like a person possessed, uses expletives, can’t spell, can’t punctuate, and sprinkles his comments with personal abuse. Never a dull moment on Kiwiblog.

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  29. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    jastown does remind of roger nome?

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  30. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Right, after several hours of studying the NWO I have now crafted a tinfoil hat to repel mind control beams from ‘them’.

    http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/

    Be amazed.

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  31. Stephanie (1 comment) says:

    They’re talking about passing an act of parliament to overrule the workings of two courts of law. This is bloody scary.

    So what if it’s over car parking for a rugby game. What’s the next thing that National is going to think is just too hard to stay legal for – pesky little things like human rights violations?

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  32. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    NWO are also a white supremicist wrestling team arent they?

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  33. jastowns (126 comments) says:

    i dont know expat ill ask my 8 year old when he wakes up and ill get back to you

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  34. Nomestradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    Jastowns:

    Nomestradamus wikipedia can not be trusted and is responsable for many cover ups,it is mainstream propaganda,i know your rolling your eyes but i have seen them cover up and change info to suit

    You make this claim based on personal experience? Excellent, now we’re getting somewhere. So it should be easy for you to provide an example of a Wikipedia cover-up, right?

    look i cant tell anyone what to think and the point i am at now has come from research i have done from around the world and traval

    I realise it must be stressful for you (being in possession of all this top-secret information that no one else has access to), but what’s this “research … from around the world” you claim to have done? And what special expertise do you have that other Kiwiblog commenters don’t?

    Gomango:

    You inconveniently introduce facts into the discussion.

    However, I’m reassured that Jastowns said this: “i am interested in all info, i am not blind nor deaf and will read anything,i am very open minded but also nobodys fool”. So perhaps there is still hope.

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  35. jastowns (126 comments) says:

    Nomestradamus your an idiot and a pollyanne,this is a claim nob

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  36. Nomestradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    Jastowns:

    Nomestradamus your an idiot

    Oh dear. That would be you’re (short for “you are”). Who were you calling idiot again?

    Last time I compared my credentials against another Kiwiblog commenter, with his approval, he turned out to have a suspect MA (Hons) degree. So what do you claim to have?

    So you don’t have that evidence of a Wikipedia cover-up handy then? Then again, I suppose when you’ve got nothing, it’s easier to fling insults.

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  37. Nomestradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    Jastowns:

    this is a claim nob

    I see you edited your 2:09 am comment – and that suits me just fine. Over here (note how I provide a link to the source – which is all you’re being asked to do) you were telling me about the difference between a claim and a guess. Applying that distinction to this thread, you must have something to substantiate your claim of a Wikipedia cover-up. Now where’s that evidence?

    You also had this to say on that other thread:

    i spend more time researching and reading than i should and over the years sorting the bullshit out from the truth has become easier by the day

    I’m waiting. Chop chop.

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  38. Nomestradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    Jastowns:

    Yes, I’m the NWO Devil Incarnate, and I command other Kiwiblog readers not to click on your link. Seriously.

    I note you still haven’t addressed Gomango’s observations, which raises some serious reservations about the quality of the information you’re relying on. All you had to say was *sigh* another insult: “gomango loose change has been debunked has it,your just as fucken stupid as the popularmechanics crew” (again, that should be “you’re” as the grammatical contraction of “you are” – I only mention this, as you insist on labelling others who disagree with your views as “stupid”).

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  39. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    How cute. The commies have made friends.

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  40. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    Jastowns, you might like to take a look at Not PC blog’s take on this RMA beast and tell us what you think regarding’s people’s rights (ie, private properties).

    It’s time to drive a stake through the heart of the RMA

    RMA should be killed in its in its entirety, since the RMA gives the non-owners of Eden Park a right to object to whatever building the caretaker/owner chooses to do. But the question to ask, if those objectors have a right to object to what other property owners within the boundary of their property? If you think so, then please explain where your rights stop and mine starts?

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  41. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Jastowns, with some commodities prices at the lowest in a decade now would be a good time to stock up on those aluminium foil hats

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  42. bringbackthebiff (99 comments) says:

    Jastowns. How does reforming the RMA take away rights, I am not too clear on how you draw this conclusion, given no bill has been introduced. On the other hand the EFA clearly removed rights and set NZ on a dangerous path, toward a reduction in the right to engage in the political process and worse still a reduction in the right to free speech.

    How about you have a reality check, and we can all comment on the amendments Bill when it arrives eh?

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  43. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Pascal, so you agree with my position, NO more taxpayer money should be spent on this so called world cup ?
    If the rugby union want to hold a bun fight for a bunch of gin soaked old poms they should pay the FULL cost including any stadium that they want.
    Or, do you want corporate welfare for a business ?

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  44. jastowns (126 comments) says:

    The new Government may have to pass a special law over-riding the consent process for Eden Park. Let’s hope not, as that is unfair to residents – but not having Eden Park ready in time is not an option.
    bringbackthebiff this is what im talking about mate, its important to read the post
    if you think this law is going to give you more rights think again
    the reduction of rights to free speech is another thing that is happening world wide and is the stuff of nightmears

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  45. gomango (98 comments) says:

    ok Jastowns – i’ve watched the video and what I hear are:

    – PM editors talking about interviews they have done with people referred to by Loose Change, discussions they heave had with technical experts, witnesses etc, rational explanations for Loose Change claims
    – the LC guys clearly not having done face to face interviews with anyone, all they look to have done is trawl through internet news stories.

    Its not exactly riveting proof to skeptics of your theories.

    I still go with the rational science based guys.

    And why call me “fucken stupid”? Thats a snappy argument that never fails to work with rational people. Says more about you and the time you spend hunched over your keyboard searching for evidence. And I actually agree with you – everyone with an hour or two to kill should watch Loose Change – there is some interesting footage in it though nothing to prove a conspiracy. Then read the PM site.

    If nothing else it will be a simple mental illness test.

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  46. jastowns (126 comments) says:

    well please explain this rationaly,come on you think yourself so clever

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  47. Owen McShane (1,226 comments) says:

    Sorry for confusing everyone.The first sentence of my post on Eden Park reads:

    “AS soon as the Eden Park proposal was mooted I wrote several pieces pointing out that it could be guaranteed to be completed on time.”

    It should have read:

    “As soon as the Eden Park proposal was mooted I wrote several pieces pointing out that it could NOT be guaranteed to be completed on time.” In fact those pieces pointed out that it was virtually impossible if someone decided to fight it all the way. Just as the ARC fights individual projects all the way to the Appeal Court if it against their view of the proper ordering of the world.

    Before we get carried away by the RMA restraints we need to remember that the common law does impose restraints on my rights to cause a nuisance to my neighbours by imposing on their rights to the quiet enjoyment of their land. Land law is unusual for that reason. Even at the height of laissez faire in London it was illegal to build or operate a brothel opposite a church. This was quite a restraint given that one in seven dwelling in London operated as a brothel and there a great many churches.

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  48. James (1,338 comments) says:

    And the residents of Churchs are known to be partial to the skills of the residents of brothels….;-)

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