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	<title>Comments on: City Vision Cr votes to ban smoking in Auckland CBD</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Diack</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518983</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Diack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron.

No event that 1Auckland is involved in has ever resulted in an Auditor General’s investigation.  I wonder how much Auckland City’s idea of funding Beckham’s football team will eventually cost ratepayers.

I note in relation to 1Auckland’s policy – it was pretty clear from the name…. and wait for it…… it’s coming.     

I guess I will defer to your expertise at getting tv coverage for a political launch.  And Bernard always gives C&amp;R such great copy.

Again what is very odd is why you are trying to link 1Auckland into something that it isn’t involved merely because a couple of people pushing a local issue happen to be one Auckland people.  It’s a sort of cheap ‘guilt by association’ argument – infantile politics really.  No links to ANY news coverage of this &quot;story&quot; or the 1Auckland angle..... because there is no story.

Is everything you do by extention the actions of C&amp;R/National?  Of course not.

Pleased to hear you will be voting against the proposal to outlaw the homeless as it is clearly a dopey idea.  Of course it joins the ranks with that other triumph of public policy, the By law on buskers and song repetition.  I wonder how much that cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron.</p>
<p>No event that 1Auckland is involved in has ever resulted in an Auditor General’s investigation.  I wonder how much Auckland City’s idea of funding Beckham’s football team will eventually cost ratepayers.</p>
<p>I note in relation to 1Auckland’s policy – it was pretty clear from the name…. and wait for it…… it’s coming.     </p>
<p>I guess I will defer to your expertise at getting tv coverage for a political launch.  And Bernard always gives C&amp;R such great copy.</p>
<p>Again what is very odd is why you are trying to link 1Auckland into something that it isn’t involved merely because a couple of people pushing a local issue happen to be one Auckland people.  It’s a sort of cheap ‘guilt by association’ argument – infantile politics really.  No links to ANY news coverage of this &#8220;story&#8221; or the 1Auckland angle&#8230;.. because there is no story.</p>
<p>Is everything you do by extention the actions of C&amp;R/National?  Of course not.</p>
<p>Pleased to hear you will be voting against the proposal to outlaw the homeless as it is clearly a dopey idea.  Of course it joins the ranks with that other triumph of public policy, the By law on buskers and song repetition.  I wonder how much that cost.</p>
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		<title>By: riki</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518658</link>
		<dc:creator>riki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew it!

I knew this was going to happen

The Fabian Socialists are working according to their agenda.

first it was Opotiki; illegal to smoke in public.  The next step was probably other provincial nowheres until the cities caught on.   apparently, the agenda is being fast tracked.  

The agenda is not about health any more than bike helmets are.

The agenda is subjucation.  Accepting govt into our personal life.  

The people showed they had enough of nanny state.  

But has anyone heard of any convictions in Opotiki yet.  Being such a small place probably not.  It was a cunning place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew it!</p>
<p>I knew this was going to happen</p>
<p>The Fabian Socialists are working according to their agenda.</p>
<p>first it was Opotiki; illegal to smoke in public.  The next step was probably other provincial nowheres until the cities caught on.   apparently, the agenda is being fast tracked.  </p>
<p>The agenda is not about health any more than bike helmets are.</p>
<p>The agenda is subjucation.  Accepting govt into our personal life.  </p>
<p>The people showed they had enough of nanny state.  </p>
<p>But has anyone heard of any convictions in Opotiki yet.  Being such a small place probably not.  It was a cunning place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518548</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus someone get a mop and clean up phools verbal incontinence.

kkb you&#039;re an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus someone get a mop and clean up phools verbal incontinence.</p>
<p>kkb you&#8217;re an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: bearhunter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518469</link>
		<dc:creator>bearhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KKB: I presume you&#039;ll ban diesel buses too? Those &quot;stinking, invasive and impossible for a non-passenger to avoid&quot; polluters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KKB: I presume you&#8217;ll ban diesel buses too? Those &#8220;stinking, invasive and impossible for a non-passenger to avoid&#8221; polluters?</p>
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		<title>By: kaykaybee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518456</link>
		<dc:creator>kaykaybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it about me when my normally liberal self starts nodding in agreement with the last sentence of this blog piece David?

Your &quot;...why not shoot smokers?&quot; - is the best idea I&#039;ve heard for a long time.

That filthy, stinking, invasive and impossible for a non-smoker to avoid habit will be the one and only thing I&#039;ll ban when I assume power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it about me when my normally liberal self starts nodding in agreement with the last sentence of this blog piece David?</p>
<p>Your &#8220;&#8230;why not shoot smokers?&#8221; &#8211; is the best idea I&#8217;ve heard for a long time.</p>
<p>That filthy, stinking, invasive and impossible for a non-smoker to avoid habit will be the one and only thing I&#8217;ll ban when I assume power.</p>
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		<title>By: wreck1080</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518408</link>
		<dc:creator>wreck1080</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>webwrat, i don&#039;t care if you smoke, so long as i don&#039;t pay for it, or have to smell it. 

You seem to think your measley tobacco tax pays for it, but I doubt it. 

And , regarding your mushroom sidetrack - how would you like to put up with putrid smells at your house - - oh thats right, you are a smoker, you already do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>webwrat, i don&#8217;t care if you smoke, so long as i don&#8217;t pay for it, or have to smell it. </p>
<p>You seem to think your measley tobacco tax pays for it, but I doubt it. </p>
<p>And , regarding your mushroom sidetrack &#8211; how would you like to put up with putrid smells at your house &#8211; - oh thats right, you are a smoker, you already do.</p>
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		<title>By: mara</title>
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		<dc:creator>mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I have enjoyed a good steak at Tony&#039;s and step out onto  the street to have  a well deserved fag, I would defy anyone telling me to stub it out. Police included. I simply would not obey such a silly by-law. It is called reasonable civil disobedience.  Sheep bleat as they are corraled for slaughter. I don&#039;t. What is the worst thing that will happen to you if you show balls? Nothing. But we need numbers. Where are they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I have enjoyed a good steak at Tony&#8217;s and step out onto  the street to have  a well deserved fag, I would defy anyone telling me to stub it out. Police included. I simply would not obey such a silly by-law. It is called reasonable civil disobedience.  Sheep bleat as they are corraled for slaughter. I don&#8217;t. What is the worst thing that will happen to you if you show balls? Nothing. But we need numbers. Where are they?</p>
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		<title>By: Chicken Little</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518382</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicken Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um....Aaron.....phule&#039;s been lying down and taking our money since he got out of prison (and that&#039;s a looooong time)....it really doesn&#039;t seem to be doing him much good.

Phule....I suggest you have a nice cup of tea and then go and get a f**ken job. 

Just don&#039;t lie on your CV.....google is not YOUR friend phule, remember that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;.Aaron&#8230;..phule&#8217;s been lying down and taking our money since he got out of prison (and that&#8217;s a looooong time)&#8230;.it really doesn&#8217;t seem to be doing him much good.</p>
<p>Phule&#8230;.I suggest you have a nice cup of tea and then go and get a f**ken job. </p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t lie on your CV&#8230;..google is not YOUR friend phule, remember that.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Bhatnagar</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518376</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Bhatnagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, addressing your points (and others)

1. In fact Ayres is an executive director of a political organisation, as well as a former candidate for it (as was Coffey), so their politicising the decision after it didn&#039;t go their way makes their political allegiances completely relevant.
2. In fact this story has been newsworthy. I just had a interview with radio a few hours ago about it. Local rags have covered the story as well.
3. I&#039;ll take lessons on events management from 1Auckland when they learn how to have a campaign launch (see http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10454615&amp;pnum=0 and http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10454613 - no confirmed candidates, no policy, no website despite making the ticket name a URL). 
4. I have blogged before about homeless related issues on my site, but if this issue is of interest to you, you should blog about it yourself. My committee (City Development) doesn&#039;t deal with social services, so it&#039;s not my duty to discuss it. Were it my story to tell I&#039;ll point out that it was reported in the media the other day that we&#039;re not necessarily spending a dime on a new by-law, but that is simply one of the options the council are considering.
5. The only reason Ayres and Coffey haven&#039;t cost the ratepayer any sum of money for a daft bylaw is because I killed it dead, no thanks to them.

Phil - you must be afflicted in some way. How many times do I need to tell you that Paritai Drive isn&#039;t in my district and is two whole suburbs away from where I think you are talking about? As for your other comments, I think you need a nice cup of tea and a long lie down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, addressing your points (and others)</p>
<p>1. In fact Ayres is an executive director of a political organisation, as well as a former candidate for it (as was Coffey), so their politicising the decision after it didn&#8217;t go their way makes their political allegiances completely relevant.<br />
2. In fact this story has been newsworthy. I just had a interview with radio a few hours ago about it. Local rags have covered the story as well.<br />
3. I&#8217;ll take lessons on events management from 1Auckland when they learn how to have a campaign launch (see <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10454615&#038;pnum=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10454615&#038;pnum=0</a> and <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10454613" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10454613</a> &#8211; no confirmed candidates, no policy, no website despite making the ticket name a URL).<br />
4. I have blogged before about homeless related issues on my site, but if this issue is of interest to you, you should blog about it yourself. My committee (City Development) doesn&#8217;t deal with social services, so it&#8217;s not my duty to discuss it. Were it my story to tell I&#8217;ll point out that it was reported in the media the other day that we&#8217;re not necessarily spending a dime on a new by-law, but that is simply one of the options the council are considering.<br />
5. The only reason Ayres and Coffey haven&#8217;t cost the ratepayer any sum of money for a daft bylaw is because I killed it dead, no thanks to them.</p>
<p>Phil &#8211; you must be afflicted in some way. How many times do I need to tell you that Paritai Drive isn&#8217;t in my district and is two whole suburbs away from where I think you are talking about? As for your other comments, I think you need a nice cup of tea and a long lie down.</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518370</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phool

Any criticism about tax payer funded schemes is a bit bloody rich coming from a bludger like you.

You also talk about a more equitable society and in usual pinko fashion threaten violence if your demands are not met yet it cannot have escaped even the thickest lefty that you write these words as a person who does not contribute one cent to government revenue or I suspect local body revenue.

As usual you want what others have without working for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phool</p>
<p>Any criticism about tax payer funded schemes is a bit bloody rich coming from a bludger like you.</p>
<p>You also talk about a more equitable society and in usual pinko fashion threaten violence if your demands are not met yet it cannot have escaped even the thickest lefty that you write these words as a person who does not contribute one cent to government revenue or I suspect local body revenue.</p>
<p>As usual you want what others have without working for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ratbiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518369</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratbiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CraigM  Says: “PhilU is completely on topic.... Not.”

Oh dear, Cwaig is still oblivious to irony! Time for a S.O.H. upgrade methinks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CraigM  Says: “PhilU is completely on topic&#8230;. Not.”</p>
<p>Oh dear, Cwaig is still oblivious to irony! Time for a S.O.H. upgrade methinks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kimble</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518368</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Shoot them with cancer&quot;

Nice one, UC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shoot them with cancer&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice one, UC!</p>
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		<title>By: Kimble</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518362</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cant decide between two pithy comments, so I will give both:

1) Takes a phule to understand a phule, I suppose.
2) phule-SPLOSION!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cant decide between two pithy comments, so I will give both:</p>
<p>1) Takes a phule to understand a phule, I suppose.<br />
2) phule-SPLOSION!!!</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518356</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh really..!

&quot;..#  philu (3700) Vote: Add rating 1  Subtract rating 6   Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

hey..!

.how about bhatnagar talking about his multi-million dollar (rate-payer-funded) plan for the benefit of the millionaires of/on paratai drive..?

..his ‘personal project’..

..that’d be (kinda) interesting..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

[DPF: Suggestions like this are more on topic on Aaron&#039;s blog, not here]..&quot;

so..bhatnagar can only be questioned on what he chooses..eh..?

..i thought he was a fucken elected official..

..and as such..answerable to us..

..so..what about your taxpayer-funded five million dollar project to pretty the harbour views of the paratai drive millionaires..?

..eh bhatnagar..?

..at the same time you cynical/self-serving rightwing bastards cut services in the poorest/in most need..areas..eh..?

..you reek of rightwing self-interested manipulation of local government..

..bhatnagar..

..and engaging in class war..against the poor..

..you do realise..eh..?

..that much more of this..

..and those mansions/privileges you abuse..

..will/could be taken from you..eh..?

(if i were you..i would go to whoar..and look up the predictions of those who give obama untill mid-2010..to start fixing things..

..if he dosen&#039;t...some predict american cities will explode in a class-rage..

..do tou fucken idiots really think you can get away with/just keep your boots on the knecks of the poor..forever..?

..it&#039;s a new world coming..darlings..

..and if you want to see the end result of elites abusing the poor..

..and the price those elites will have to pay..

..can i suggest a (council-funded..of course..!)..trip to port moresbey...

..where you will see that unless we get a more equitable society..

..that the paratai drive views wont&#039;t be of your five million dollar upgrade..

..they will be of high walls..with barbed wire on them..

..and armed guards patrolling..

..that is the dystopia you are promoting..

..you fucken idiot..!

..phil(whoar.co.nz)

..farrar strikes another blow for free speech/open discussion/questioning..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh really..!</p>
<p>&#8220;..#  philu (3700) Vote: Add rating 1  Subtract rating 6   Says:<br />
December 16th, 2008 at 1:26 pm</p>
<p>hey..!</p>
<p>.how about bhatnagar talking about his multi-million dollar (rate-payer-funded) plan for the benefit of the millionaires of/on paratai drive..?</p>
<p>..his ‘personal project’..</p>
<p>..that’d be (kinda) interesting..</p>
<p>..eh..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
<p>[DPF: Suggestions like this are more on topic on Aaron's blog, not here]..&#8221;</p>
<p>so..bhatnagar can only be questioned on what he chooses..eh..?</p>
<p>..i thought he was a fucken elected official..</p>
<p>..and as such..answerable to us..</p>
<p>..so..what about your taxpayer-funded five million dollar project to pretty the harbour views of the paratai drive millionaires..?</p>
<p>..eh bhatnagar..?</p>
<p>..at the same time you cynical/self-serving rightwing bastards cut services in the poorest/in most need..areas..eh..?</p>
<p>..you reek of rightwing self-interested manipulation of local government..</p>
<p>..bhatnagar..</p>
<p>..and engaging in class war..against the poor..</p>
<p>..you do realise..eh..?</p>
<p>..that much more of this..</p>
<p>..and those mansions/privileges you abuse..</p>
<p>..will/could be taken from you..eh..?</p>
<p>(if i were you..i would go to whoar..and look up the predictions of those who give obama untill mid-2010..to start fixing things..</p>
<p>..if he dosen&#8217;t&#8230;some predict american cities will explode in a class-rage..</p>
<p>..do tou fucken idiots really think you can get away with/just keep your boots on the knecks of the poor..forever..?</p>
<p>..it&#8217;s a new world coming..darlings..</p>
<p>..and if you want to see the end result of elites abusing the poor..</p>
<p>..and the price those elites will have to pay..</p>
<p>..can i suggest a (council-funded..of course..!)..trip to port moresbey&#8230;</p>
<p>..where you will see that unless we get a more equitable society..</p>
<p>..that the paratai drive views wont&#8217;t be of your five million dollar upgrade..</p>
<p>..they will be of high walls..with barbed wire on them..</p>
<p>..and armed guards patrolling..</p>
<p>..that is the dystopia you are promoting..</p>
<p>..you fucken idiot..!</p>
<p>..phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
<p>..farrar strikes another blow for free speech/open discussion/questioning..</p>
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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518348</link>
		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stick it up them WebWrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stick it up them WebWrat.</p>
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		<title>By: WebWrat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518347</link>
		<dc:creator>WebWrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard a bit on the radio about that mushroom farm thats closing down on that lesser known out-lying isle of NZ.  It seemed that there was mainly only one person complaining about the stink.

Was that 1080?

Isn&#039;t it amazing how one PC whinger can take the jobs off 160 people?

Another thing Lindsay Perigo was saying when he was on about smoking: ASH had, at the time only 350 paid up members.

So there&#039;s another amazing thing, how a PC minority can totally rearrange and socially engineer a whole nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a bit on the radio about that mushroom farm thats closing down on that lesser known out-lying isle of NZ.  It seemed that there was mainly only one person complaining about the stink.</p>
<p>Was that 1080?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it amazing how one PC whinger can take the jobs off 160 people?</p>
<p>Another thing Lindsay Perigo was saying when he was on about smoking: ASH had, at the time only 350 paid up members.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s another amazing thing, how a PC minority can totally rearrange and socially engineer a whole nation.</p>
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		<title>By: WebWrat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518344</link>
		<dc:creator>WebWrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wreck1080 totally misses the point/s, as all narcissists always do.

Smokers pay for their own health care through tobacco tax.

I admitted smoking is not good for me. 

Over eating is an addiction.

Smoking is an addiction.

One is defended.

The other vilified.

Selective discrimination.

I did correspondence school most of my school years ... no shcool toilets.

OK, you&#039;ve sprung me .... my mates are dropouts.

You don&#039;t pay for my &quot;.... smoking related health problems.&quot;   I do.

You don&#039;t pay for my &quot;.... filthy little habit.&quot;  I do.

I find poofter after shave lotions and under-arm deoderants putrid but I&#039;ve never tried to have them banned.  I can accept the differences in people as long as they don&#039;t nanny me.

It would be absolutely hideous if everyone was the same, as the socialists want us to be.  We&#039;d may as well be a mob of sheep.

Oh, but that&#039;s the whole ide..............a!

Get stuffed 1080 ... you are the poison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wreck1080 totally misses the point/s, as all narcissists always do.</p>
<p>Smokers pay for their own health care through tobacco tax.</p>
<p>I admitted smoking is not good for me. </p>
<p>Over eating is an addiction.</p>
<p>Smoking is an addiction.</p>
<p>One is defended.</p>
<p>The other vilified.</p>
<p>Selective discrimination.</p>
<p>I did correspondence school most of my school years &#8230; no shcool toilets.</p>
<p>OK, you&#8217;ve sprung me &#8230;. my mates are dropouts.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t pay for my &#8220;&#8230;. smoking related health problems.&#8221;   I do.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t pay for my &#8220;&#8230;. filthy little habit.&#8221;  I do.</p>
<p>I find poofter after shave lotions and under-arm deoderants putrid but I&#8217;ve never tried to have them banned.  I can accept the differences in people as long as they don&#8217;t nanny me.</p>
<p>It would be absolutely hideous if everyone was the same, as the socialists want us to be.  We&#8217;d may as well be a mob of sheep.</p>
<p>Oh, but that&#8217;s the whole ide&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..a!</p>
<p>Get stuffed 1080 &#8230; you are the poison.</p>
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		<title>By: bearhunter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518341</link>
		<dc:creator>bearhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;WebWrat you are an ignoramus. Just because you can climb mt everest having smoked 10 packs a day since you were 1 doesn’t mean that smoking does not cause health problems. &quot;

Smoking does cause illness in many - not all - smokers and I&#039;d like you to show me the clinical proof that says different.  Noter I said &quot;proves&quot; not simply something &quot;suggests a link&quot;

&quot;Why should I pay for any of your smoking related health problems?&quot;

You don&#039;t. It&#039;s all taken care of through the extra taxes we kind smokers provide for the benefit of our fellow humans.

As for the putrid air, would you like to see an end to diesel trucks too? Buses? Cars? Fast-food outlets that vent their kitchen odours into the air?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;WebWrat you are an ignoramus. Just because you can climb mt everest having smoked 10 packs a day since you were 1 doesn’t mean that smoking does not cause health problems. &#8221;</p>
<p>Smoking does cause illness in many &#8211; not all &#8211; smokers and I&#8217;d like you to show me the clinical proof that says different.  Noter I said &#8220;proves&#8221; not simply something &#8220;suggests a link&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Why should I pay for any of your smoking related health problems?&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t. It&#8217;s all taken care of through the extra taxes we kind smokers provide for the benefit of our fellow humans.</p>
<p>As for the putrid air, would you like to see an end to diesel trucks too? Buses? Cars? Fast-food outlets that vent their kitchen odours into the air?</p>
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		<title>By: wreck1080</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518323</link>
		<dc:creator>wreck1080</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WebWrat you are an ignoramus. Just because you can climb mt everest having smoked 10 packs a day since you were 1  doesn&#039;t mean that smoking does not cause health problems. 

There is a definite difference between eating related issues and smoking ones. The body is built to eat to survive, but not to smoke to survive. That is something you picked up behind the school toilets with the rest of your dropout mates. 

Why should I pay for any of your smoking related health problems? 

You can smoke so long as I don&#039;t pay for your filthy little habit and if I don&#039;t have to smell the putrid air you emit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WebWrat you are an ignoramus. Just because you can climb mt everest having smoked 10 packs a day since you were 1  doesn&#8217;t mean that smoking does not cause health problems. </p>
<p>There is a definite difference between eating related issues and smoking ones. The body is built to eat to survive, but not to smoke to survive. That is something you picked up behind the school toilets with the rest of your dropout mates. </p>
<p>Why should I pay for any of your smoking related health problems? </p>
<p>You can smoke so long as I don&#8217;t pay for your filthy little habit and if I don&#8217;t have to smell the putrid air you emit.</p>
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		<title>By: reddeath26</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/city_vision_cr_votes_to_ban_smoking_in_auckland_cbd.html#comment-518320</link>
		<dc:creator>reddeath26</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@WebWrat-
Excellent point, I too agree that smoking is and should be a perfectly legal activity. There is plenty of information about the possible effects of smoking, so if someone chooses to engage in such an activity then they are accepting such risks. I do not really have a problem with people smoking outside at all. As others have mentioned they do contribute towards their health costs through the tax they pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@WebWrat-<br />
Excellent point, I too agree that smoking is and should be a perfectly legal activity. There is plenty of information about the possible effects of smoking, so if someone chooses to engage in such an activity then they are accepting such risks. I do not really have a problem with people smoking outside at all. As others have mentioned they do contribute towards their health costs through the tax they pay.</p>
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