Comments on: Frog on Pharmac http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html DPF's Kiwiblog - Fomenting Happy Mischief since 2003 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:59:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JC http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514503 JC Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:27:02 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514503 Frog, Pharmac has an impressive rate of resistance to the pressure put on by advertising of drug companies.. although I wonder about those flavoured condoms... Google means that there is no such thing as no advertising of a drug in any country like ours, rather it means that there's an informed patient base which is doing the very best thing for a modern drug regime.. "pressure" means that the medical profession must justify it's decisions, read the literature (and advertising) and make informed decisions on behalf of it's clients. It also is one of the best ways of exposing the sometimes lousy drug availabilities of this country. What is far more seductive and dishonest is some of the advertising of alternative medicines which keep genuinely sick people poor and away from proper medical care. Don't get me wrong, there's a place for AM amongst an informed population. Just a word on Herceptin.. in the past decade I'm aware of just two major political interferences, Herceptin by National in 2008 and Beta Interferon for MS patients by Labour in 1999/00. Those are the only two cases I know of where the Govt has shown that it is actually in charge of Pharmac. JC Tryi Frog,

Pharmac has an impressive rate of resistance to the pressure put on by advertising of drug companies.. although I wonder about those flavoured condoms…

Google means that there is no such thing as no advertising of a drug in any country like ours, rather it means that there’s an informed patient base which is doing the very best thing for a modern drug regime.. “pressure” means that the medical profession must justify it’s decisions, read the literature (and advertising) and make informed decisions on behalf of it’s clients. It also is one of the best ways of exposing the sometimes lousy drug availabilities of this country.

What is far more seductive and dishonest is some of the advertising of alternative medicines which keep genuinely sick people poor and away from proper medical care. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a place for AM amongst an informed population.

Just a word on Herceptin.. in the past decade I’m aware of just two major political interferences, Herceptin by National in 2008 and Beta Interferon for MS patients by Labour in 1999/00. Those are the only two cases I know of where the Govt has shown that it is actually in charge of Pharmac.

JC

Tryi

]]> By: jcuknz http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514501 jcuknz Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:20:31 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514501 It would be more helpful if the drug companies simply provided Pharmac with drugs to the value of their advertising budget instead of creating a demand for a drug with may or may not be effective for the health problem concerned. It would be more helpful if the drug companies simply provided Pharmac with drugs to the value of their advertising budget instead of creating a demand for a drug with may or may not be effective for the health problem concerned.

]]> By: AG http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514481 AG Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:12:13 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514481 Not unsubstantiated. He wastes time. QED. Right? Or are you rethinking your views on those who receive welfare? Not unsubstantiated. He wastes time. QED. Right? Or are you rethinking your views on those who receive welfare?

]]> By: Redbaiter http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514479 Redbaiter Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:09:49 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514479 "Sound like a beneficiary to me." Yawn. Same old same old unsubstantiated smears. So Stalinist. You people are made in a sausage factory. “Sound like a beneficiary to me.”

Yawn. Same old same old unsubstantiated smears. So Stalinist. You people are made in a sausage factory.

]]> By: AG http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514477 AG Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:59:29 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514477 So you keep responding because you have time to waste? Sound like a beneficiary to me. Probably on the pension. Bloody parasite. Oh well - 3 years of National/Act will soon sort you out. So you keep responding because you have time to waste? Sound like a beneficiary to me. Probably on the pension. Bloody parasite.

Oh well – 3 years of National/Act will soon sort you out.

]]> By: Johnboy http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514474 Johnboy Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:55:06 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514474 Voted National all her life lad and her proudest moment was when I stopped voting Labour (I used to because I detested Muldoon and I was young and stupid like you) and voted National again. Yes very very proud she was. Now be a good little boy and fuck off as you are just a time waster. Voted National all her life lad and her proudest moment was when I stopped voting Labour (I used to because I detested Muldoon and I was young and stupid like you) and voted National again. Yes very very proud she was.
Now be a good little boy and fuck off as you are just a time waster.

]]> By: AG http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514471 AG Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:49:24 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514471 I'm sure she was very proud of her son. Very, very proud. She raised him to be all class. I’m sure she was very proud of her son. Very, very proud. She raised him to be all class.

]]> By: Johnboy http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514469 Johnboy Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:45:34 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514469 She died at the age of 91 three years ago you sad little needle dick. Get back to the stranded where wankers like you can indulge in the grand old socialist rite of circle-jerking She died at the age of 91 three years ago you sad little needle dick. Get back to the stranded where wankers like you can indulge in the grand old socialist rite of circle-jerking

]]> By: AG http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514468 AG Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:40:45 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514468 You could offer your Mum $20 ... give her a night off the streets. You could offer your Mum $20 … give her a night off the streets.

]]> By: Johnboy http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514465 Johnboy Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:26:59 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514465 Not from you maggot I will let you get your hugs for free from all your gay mates in the rainbow party. ps: Just joking sweetie how much do you charge? Not from you maggot I will let you get your hugs for free from all your gay mates in the rainbow party.

ps: Just joking sweetie how much do you charge?

]]> By: AG http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514463 AG Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:23:21 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514463 Do you need a hug? 'Cause you could pay someone to give you one. That's capitalism, too. Do you need a hug? ‘Cause you could pay someone to give you one.

That’s capitalism, too.

]]> By: Johnboy http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514462 Johnboy Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:18:27 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514462 I 'd pay him twenty grand to rip the heart out of shit for brains commo fuckwits like you AG and I would make a handsome profit selling tickets and the TV rights to the event. Now that's capitalism in action buddy. Still I know he would do it for nothing just for the pleasure. I ‘d pay him twenty grand to rip the heart out of shit for brains commo fuckwits like you AG and I would make a handsome profit selling tickets and the TV rights to the event. Now that’s capitalism in action buddy. Still I know he would do it for nothing just for the pleasure.

]]> By: AG http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514460 AG Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:45:16 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514460 Oh great ... now you've made Redbaiter come back out of his retirement, tie half his brain behind his back and deal to you commie scum Stalinist lefty f***wits. (Is there a thesaurus available for these sorts of terms?) But then again, once you tie up half of what appears on all evidence to be half a brain, is there be enough left to sustain the vital organs? Any brain experts out there ... what's the minimum function required to keep RB's heart beating? And more important, should the state pay to keep RB alive if his experiment in brain-bondage goes horribly wrong? Oh great … now you’ve made Redbaiter come back out of his retirement, tie half his brain behind his back and deal to you commie scum Stalinist lefty f***wits. (Is there a thesaurus available for these sorts of terms?)

But then again, once you tie up half of what appears on all evidence to be half a brain, is there be enough left to sustain the vital organs? Any brain experts out there … what’s the minimum function required to keep RB’s heart beating? And more important, should the state pay to keep RB alive if his experiment in brain-bondage goes horribly wrong?

]]> By: Redbaiter http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514459 Redbaiter Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:40:45 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514459 Anyone who wants the government to be a provider of health services is a reality denying dickwad. Name one thing government does well. Anyone who wants the government to be a provider of health services is a reality denying dickwad. Name one thing government does well.

]]> By: Turpin http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514457 Turpin Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:33:53 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514457 I'm with Ratbiter on this one. it's rather like water meters for me. some things I'm socialist orientated towards and other things market driven. problem for me is our very small easily monopolised market. I’m with Ratbiter on this one.
it’s rather like water meters for me.

some things I’m socialist orientated towards and other things market driven.
problem for me is our very small easily monopolised market.

]]> By: Ratbiter http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514456 Ratbiter Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:27:56 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514456 "There is always a limit though to the ability of the public health system to fund every medicine we would like. This is why I think peopel should be encouraged to have their own health savings accounts which can be used to meet exceptional health care costs." Hold up - if the state can't afford to fund a drug, what private individuals are going to be able to afford to save up for it? Don't you see this is why the proponents of public healthcare are afraid of privatisation - because they see it as a slippery slope towards a state of affairs where, if you can't afford to pay for it, you die... I for one am very much in favour of a "no-one gets left behind on my watch" approach to public health care and drug funding! Human life is far too precious to talk about in terms of "fiscal responsibility" or what "The Market" dictates... “There is always a limit though to the ability of the public health system to fund every medicine we would like. This is why I think peopel should be encouraged to have their own health savings accounts which can be used to meet exceptional health care costs.”

Hold up – if the state can’t afford to fund a drug, what private individuals are going to be able to afford to save up for it?

Don’t you see this is why the proponents of public healthcare are afraid of privatisation – because they see it as a slippery slope towards a state of affairs where, if you can’t afford to pay for it, you die…

I for one am very much in favour of a “no-one gets left behind on my watch” approach to public health care and drug funding! Human life is far too precious to talk about in terms of “fiscal responsibility” or what “The Market” dictates…

]]> By: enough rope http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514434 enough rope Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:19:48 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514434 <i>I can defeat any of you with half my brain tied behind my back.</i> Online bondage sessions at Kiwiblog, eh? You kinky devil. I can defeat any of you with half my brain tied behind my back.
Online bondage sessions at Kiwiblog, eh? You kinky devil.

]]> By: AG http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514431 AG Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:09:46 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514431 And that, ladies and gentlemen, is RB's admission of defeat. Thanks for playing. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is RB’s admission of defeat.

Thanks for playing.

]]> By: Redbaiter http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514430 Redbaiter Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:07:47 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514430 Why AG, does every leftist alway seek in the end, to turn the discussion away from their ideology? I'll tell you. Because you can't fucken well defend it that's why. So fuck off with your allegations of insanity, and your sneers and your arrogance, and your feeble and witless attempts to be clever and funny. You've got nothing. I can defeat any of you with half my brain tied behind my back. Why AG, does every leftist alway seek in the end, to turn the discussion away from their ideology? I’ll tell you. Because you can’t fucken well defend it that’s why. So fuck off with your allegations of insanity, and your sneers and your arrogance, and your feeble and witless attempts to be clever and funny. You’ve got nothing. I can defeat any of you with half my brain tied behind my back.

]]> By: AG http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/frog_on_pharmac.html#comment-514428 AG Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:00:09 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=29106#comment-514428 I just thought someone so critical of the present education system, as well as prepared to label opponent's arguments "incredibly ignorant", would value more highly such old fashioned values as spelling and accuracy. But I guess I had you wrong. You clearly are a relativist, post-modernist, "believe what you want 'cause it's all true" kind of person. Perhaps your time in the Stalinist thought factories have had more effect than you realise? I just thought someone so critical of the present education system, as well as prepared to label opponent’s arguments “incredibly ignorant”, would value more highly such old fashioned values as spelling and accuracy. But I guess I had you wrong. You clearly are a relativist, post-modernist, “believe what you want ’cause it’s all true” kind of person. Perhaps your time in the Stalinist thought factories have had more effect than you realise?

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