Comments on: General Debate 14 December 2008

By: getstaffed

getstaffed — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:39:18 +0000

I see NZ 2nd worst in world for school bullying. Our kids have obviously been watching Parliament TV for the last 9 years.

By: Lee C

Lee C — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:42:41 +0000

goodgod – it’s John Lennon on Monkeys with typewriters I put it up to remember his death. I captioned the pic ‘What a drag’ for a reason too. ‘It’s a drag isn’t it?’ was what Paul McCartney said to interviewers on the day of Lennon’s death. Apparently it had been an in-joke between Lennon and McCartney when they were youngsters starting out.

By: dad4justice

dad4justice — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:24:59 +0000

dave strings; the bent Dame has more judges in the supreme court than horses in her stable. Oh judge, you wasted expensive drop kick parasite!

By: dave strings

dave strings — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:12:14 +0000

How about that Supreme Court of ours then!

I was looking at it (in development) the other day, and walked around the perimiter. Then I looked at the plans on the site surround hoarding. Seems to me there’s room for about 1000 people to work in there! How many judges sit on the bench there, anyone know?

By: adamsmith1922

adamsmith1922 — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:45:03 +0000

I am shamelessly trolling for visitors, especially those who will publicise the disgrace and tyrannical despot that is Robert Mugabe

http://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/11381/

Sorry to interrupt the flow but I am very angry about this

By: Owen McShane

Owen McShane — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:30:58 +0000

Billyporker,
just about every black in America is bi-racial. Just as most Maori in NZ are bi-racial.
It’s just a matter of the ratio.
I presume you have heard of “octoroons”. It’s not hard to guess the ratio there – or the ratio for half castes if it comes to that.

By: Owen McShane

Owen McShane — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:28:15 +0000

Webwrat
The real crime is that many biologists (and especially those who specialise in soil) unlike the UN’s atmospheric scientists argue that pastures of perennial grasses farming livestock (including belching ruminants which you may have noticed do not run on fossil fuel) are more effective carbon sinks than forests of any kind.
Futhermore our own soil scientists who have measured NO2 emissions on our farms have found they are half the level negotiated as the “standard” as part of the Kyoto agreement.

Anyone who tells you that forests are better than carbon sinks is displaying their ignorance of our ignorance. The best response is to ask them for the equation which sets out the biological exchanges and the final outcome. YOu migh like to check out Freeman Dyson and his “heresies” for an interesting discussion on how to trap our carbon dioxide emissions through building up topsoil. Just googel on Freeman Dyson and Heresies.
I am sorry to say that the only reason we count our ruminants is because if we did not and acknowledged the scientific reality there would be no problem for our government to “solve” and indeed Mr Putin might well end up sending checks to us rather than the other way round.

By: billyborker

billyborker — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:03:02 +0000

Patrick, I know exactly what “beyond the pale” means, and chose that phrase carefully, although I also saw the puntential of the phrase in this context.

So, my point remians – Obama is not black, he is bi-racial.

By: kiwipolemicist

kiwipolemicist — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:21:49 +0000

WebWrat: thanks for the shocking numbers. Carbon trading is global Socialism , stealing from the “rich”" and giving to the “poor”. The IMF has admitted as much.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/the-emissions-trading-scheme-global-socialism/

Barnsley Bill: if I have a post that will kick off a discussion or contribute info to a discussion I’ll share it. The posts also verify my statements, eg the one in this comment. If someone else has a post that will kick off a discussion or contribute info to a discussion I’ll share it, eg the Mises links above.

By: Patrick Starr

Patrick Starr — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:54:32 +0000

Billyborker. the phrase ‘beyond the pale’ means a stake or pointed piece of wood. Not ‘pale’ as meaning whitish and light in colour.
Now if that is what you intended you seem to have no qualms in referring to the rest of us as ‘pale’ – but it’s not ok to refer to Obama as a black?

By: Barnsley Bill

Barnsley Bill — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:27:48 +0000

kiwipolemicist, you are the worst linkwhore since keeping stock. Have you no shame?

By: Adolf Fiinkensein

Adolf Fiinkensein — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:20:28 +0000

Well dear boys, if you really want to be precise, Obama is an Arab-American. That’s why I’m laughing my head off at all the dead heads who think they have their first Negro president. They voted for a Negro and got instead a smooth talking Ayrab.

[DPF: How is Obama an Arab? He does not have Arabian ancestry, does not speak Arabic and is not a citizen of an Arab state]

By: kiwipolemicist

kiwipolemicist — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:15:20 +0000

billyborker: “African-American is an absurd term. If a white African goes to America he isn’t called an African-American, becuase it’s just a PC way of avoiding the term “black”.

More info here:
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/i-am-pakeha-and-i-am-oppressed/

By: Barnsley Bill

Barnsley Bill — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:06:49 +0000

I have just eaten my first home grown pineapple of the year up here.

By: billyborker

billyborker — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:01:31 +0000

dad4justice (4493) Vote: 1 0 Says:

December 14th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Wouldn’t the whole Nobama birth certificate scandal be resolved if he provided the document?
Jafapet, everybody knows that Court systems are a sick joke, for example our own white elephant supreme court.

How many convictions do you have dad? I’d say our justice system is doing fine.

By: billyborker

billyborker — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:00:01 +0000

Redbaiter (4770) Vote: 1 0 Says:

December 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am
(…) they think that because Obama is black, any attempt to subject him to scrutiny is racism.

Who says Obama is “black”? Are you a throw back to the good ole South where a single drop of Negro blood was enough to make a man beyond the pale, a nigger?

Obama is bi-racial. He is also “African-American” in its most genuine sense.

But he is NOT black.

By: dad4justice

dad4justice — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:20:50 +0000

Wouldn’t the whole Nobama birth certificate scandal be resolved if he provided the document?
Jafapet, everybody knows that Court systems are a sick joke, for example our own white elephant supreme court.

By: Redbaiter

Redbaiter — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:39:42 +0000

“By pursuing this you just bring yourself into ridicule.”

The left have never had much more than ridicule Pete. Its where I draw my strength. Now if they had facts and logic, things might be different.

By: kiwipolemicist

kiwipolemicist — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:36:38 +0000

side show bob: I’m not saying that a constitution will help. The state is and always be the enemy:

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/who-are-the-police-really-serving/
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/the-red-squad-the-labour-party-and-the-election/
http://mises.org/story/2612
http://mises.org/story/2988

By: Redbaiter

Redbaiter — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:36:17 +0000

“factcheck.org says it has seen the actual cert.”

The certificate Fact Check is referring to is only the summary version. A fact that has been stated fifty million times and it just amazes me that people are still out there saying this is the original certificate. Let me repeat it once more, for the benefit of those apparently too stupid to grasp such a simple matter in one reading:

FACT-

Fact Check have not seen the certificate on file at the Hawaiian hospital. Fact Check have only ever seen the summary certificate. The summary certificate is the only one ever released by Obama. (the video above covers this very well)

FACT TWO-

Obama is using three teams of lawyers to ensure that original certificate remains hidden from public view.

I don’t understand why the simple matter of Obama refusing to present his original birth certificate remains a matter of such confusion misunderstanding and difficulty. Well I do actually. The left seek to muddle the situation in the hope that this will allow Obama to escape scrutiny. What puzzles me is how easily people fall for what is such a transparent subterfuge.

Obama has not ever released his genuine birth certificate. He must do do to assume the office of POTUS. End of story. What could be more fucken simple for fuck’s sake?

Anyone has got any real argument as to why Obama should not present his birth certificate like every other Presidential candidate let’s hear it. (..and I don’t want the usual bigoted shit from the Left- ie, Obama is a black socialist and therefore he’s free of the obligations other people may have.)