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	<title>Comments on: Rodney faces prosecution for his yellow jacket</title>
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		<title>By: Dazzaman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514922</link>
		<dc:creator>Dazzaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I suggest that John Key pardon everybody involved in these breaches - except the Greens.

Hopefully this will be the first of many times that the Greens are hauled before court to face up for their crimes.&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;strong&gt;pushmepullu&lt;/strong&gt;&#160;
No no no...cannabis charges first!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I suggest that John Key pardon everybody involved in these breaches &#8211; except the Greens.</p>
<p>Hopefully this will be the first of many times that the Greens are hauled before court to face up for their crimes.</p></blockquote>
<p> <strong>pushmepullu</strong>&nbsp;<br />
No no no&#8230;cannabis charges first!</p>
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		<title>By: Dazzaman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514908</link>
		<dc:creator>Dazzaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the joke post right?   Oh, not right.....how petty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the joke post right?   Oh, not right&#8230;..how petty!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514897</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Electoral Commission were the same people who found Labour had overspent in 2005. There weren&#039;t too many accusations of that being evidence of NZ&#039;s banana republic status back then, as I recall. Quite the contrary, the findings formed a large part of a nagging bandwagon that went on for years. Has this body become less respectable now that it&#039;s finding various pissly (but probably technically true) offences?

I find the obsession with it as boring and irrelevant now as I did then, and THAT is the true evidence of NZ being a banana republic. That so many people give so much of a shit about so little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Electoral Commission were the same people who found Labour had overspent in 2005. There weren&#8217;t too many accusations of that being evidence of NZ&#8217;s banana republic status back then, as I recall. Quite the contrary, the findings formed a large part of a nagging bandwagon that went on for years. Has this body become less respectable now that it&#8217;s finding various pissly (but probably technically true) offences?</p>
<p>I find the obsession with it as boring and irrelevant now as I did then, and THAT is the true evidence of NZ being a banana republic. That so many people give so much of a shit about so little.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is strange that the left have escaped unscathed from the claws or Mz Catt - very strange indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is strange that the left have escaped unscathed from the claws or Mz Catt &#8211; very strange indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Madeleine</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514875</link>
		<dc:creator>Madeleine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chief Electoral Office is now looking into the attire of another Epsom candidate. See my blog to see who.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chief Electoral Office is now looking into the attire of another Epsom candidate. See my blog to see who.</p>
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		<title>By: goodgod</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514853</link>
		<dc:creator>goodgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Act should be repealed with limited retrospective effect, to eliminate “breaches” involving nothing more than the exercise of free speech. I’m no fan of retrospective legislation, but in this case it’s needed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly right.  Since the jacket complaint was made by an ACT party member, and since it is trivial and since the CEO of the E.C. complained about the &quot;chilling effect&quot; of the EFA - you&#039;d expect her instead to say: this highlights the chilling effect of the EFA... and dismiss it as inconsequential.  She knew it was an exercise in free speech.  

In politics more than anything else, there are no free lunches and no amazing coincidences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Act should be repealed with limited retrospective effect, to eliminate “breaches” involving nothing more than the exercise of free speech. I’m no fan of retrospective legislation, but in this case it’s needed.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly right.  Since the jacket complaint was made by an ACT party member, and since it is trivial and since the CEO of the E.C. complained about the &#8220;chilling effect&#8221; of the EFA &#8211; you&#8217;d expect her instead to say: this highlights the chilling effect of the EFA&#8230; and dismiss it as inconsequential.  She knew it was an exercise in free speech.  </p>
<p>In politics more than anything else, there are no free lunches and no amazing coincidences.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514838</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Act should be repealed with limited retrospective effect, to eliminate &quot;breaches&quot; involving nothing more than the exercise of free speech.  I&#039;m no fan of retrospective legislation, but in this case it&#039;s needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Act should be repealed with limited retrospective effect, to eliminate &#8220;breaches&#8221; involving nothing more than the exercise of free speech.  I&#8217;m no fan of retrospective legislation, but in this case it&#8217;s needed.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514836</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;ACT told the Electoral Commission that Rodney rectified any problems by affixing an authorisation inside the jacket that can be shown to anyone who asks to see it, but this wasn’t deemed sufficient.&lt;/i&gt;

And the EC made this decision without any evidence as it hadn&#039;t seen the authorisation statement. It had no address on it so it was not a valid authorisation statement. It simply said &quot; Authorised by Nick Kearney.. as required by Helen.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>ACT told the Electoral Commission that Rodney rectified any problems by affixing an authorisation inside the jacket that can be shown to anyone who asks to see it, but this wasn’t deemed sufficient.</i></p>
<p>And the EC made this decision without any evidence as it hadn&#8217;t seen the authorisation statement. It had no address on it so it was not a valid authorisation statement. It simply said &#8221; Authorised by Nick Kearney.. as required by Helen.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Prick</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514834</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Prick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rich Prick  The depth of your intellectual response matches the quality of your name.&quot;

And that is a leftie for you.  As it happens I have a LL.B and a BSc from Otago and an LLM from Cambridge.  Do you still wish to discuss my intellect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rich Prick  The depth of your intellectual response matches the quality of your name.&#8221;</p>
<p>And that is a leftie for you.  As it happens I have a LL.B and a BSc from Otago and an LLM from Cambridge.  Do you still wish to discuss my intellect?</p>
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		<title>By: OECD rank 22 kiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514833</link>
		<dc:creator>OECD rank 22 kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The important facts are that National and ACT won on 8 November, Labour and the Greens lost.  Some people are still slow to grasp that fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important facts are that National and ACT won on 8 November, Labour and the Greens lost.  Some people are still slow to grasp that fact.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514832</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PMoney,

The midnight conga line to banana republic status began a looooonnnnnnng time ago. 

The mere fact you needed to read an &#039;official&#039; statement from a government bureaucrat into whether a fence picket or an item of clothing constitutes a breach of x y or z only highlights the sad state of affairs in this country.

How much did this waste cost us in lost productivity and wasted resources?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PMoney,</p>
<p>The midnight conga line to banana republic status began a looooonnnnnnng time ago. </p>
<p>The mere fact you needed to read an &#8216;official&#8217; statement from a government bureaucrat into whether a fence picket or an item of clothing constitutes a breach of x y or z only highlights the sad state of affairs in this country.</p>
<p>How much did this waste cost us in lost productivity and wasted resources?</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514831</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S68 (1) of the EFA says  that  no payment must be made to any elector on the account of  the exhibition of  any election advertisement. Yet Rodney Hide paid for this jacket as an election advertisement according to the Electoral Commission, and according to S68(2) of the EFA, this means both Hide and the person who received payment for making Hide this election advertisement could be guilty of an illegal practice due to the payment made.

Oops. The Electoral Commission missed that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S68 (1) of the EFA says  that  no payment must be made to any elector on the account of  the exhibition of  any election advertisement. Yet Rodney Hide paid for this jacket as an election advertisement according to the Electoral Commission, and according to S68(2) of the EFA, this means both Hide and the person who received payment for making Hide this election advertisement could be guilty of an illegal practice due to the payment made.</p>
<p>Oops. The Electoral Commission missed that one.</p>
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		<title>By: pushmepullu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514830</link>
		<dc:creator>pushmepullu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laws are only as legitimate as the government that passes them.  Labour was not a legitimate government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laws are only as legitimate as the government that passes them.  Labour was not a legitimate government.</p>
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		<title>By: georgebolwing</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514828</link>
		<dc:creator>georgebolwing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Pmoney that, foolish or not, the law is the law.

And the ACT Party makes much of the rule of law and the importance of law and order.

I hope that Rodney will plead guilty, make it clear that he is completely unrepentant and feels no remorse and that he expects to be punished to the full extent of the law.

He must also not support the retrospective repeal of the EFA.  The Act must be repealed -- it is repugnant to decency -- but the principle that everyone has to abide by all the laws enacted by parliament is more important. 

Anything else will be gross hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Pmoney that, foolish or not, the law is the law.</p>
<p>And the ACT Party makes much of the rule of law and the importance of law and order.</p>
<p>I hope that Rodney will plead guilty, make it clear that he is completely unrepentant and feels no remorse and that he expects to be punished to the full extent of the law.</p>
<p>He must also not support the retrospective repeal of the EFA.  The Act must be repealed &#8212; it is repugnant to decency &#8212; but the principle that everyone has to abide by all the laws enacted by parliament is more important. </p>
<p>Anything else will be gross hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: ThinkBig</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514825</link>
		<dc:creator>ThinkBig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micky Savage, your username is an insult to MJS, so you can&#039;t bloody talk. The pledge card was paid for with money that wasn&#039;t Labours - it was the taxpayers. In other words, the Labour piggies got caught with their noses in the trough. Instead of facing criminal charges, like Joe Public would have, they merely changed the law, and made their overspend legal. Oh, and mucked around in bed with Winston while he whored his $158,000 out to anyone who didn&#039;t mind being made into political capital. 

So before you accuse others of throwing words around they don&#039;t understand, try to demonstrate a shred of competence yourself. It will do wonders for your credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micky Savage, your username is an insult to MJS, so you can&#8217;t bloody talk. The pledge card was paid for with money that wasn&#8217;t Labours &#8211; it was the taxpayers. In other words, the Labour piggies got caught with their noses in the trough. Instead of facing criminal charges, like Joe Public would have, they merely changed the law, and made their overspend legal. Oh, and mucked around in bed with Winston while he whored his $158,000 out to anyone who didn&#8217;t mind being made into political capital. </p>
<p>So before you accuse others of throwing words around they don&#8217;t understand, try to demonstrate a shred of competence yourself. It will do wonders for your credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514824</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich Prick

The depth of your intellectual response matches the quality of your name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich Prick</p>
<p>The depth of your intellectual response matches the quality of your name.</p>
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		<title>By: Pmoney</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514823</link>
		<dc:creator>Pmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read the Commision&#039;s decisions in relation to the Green sign and the Act jacket, I agree with the outcomes in both cases. Putting to one side my views on the propriety of the law itself, the decisions are a justifiable exercise of the Commission&#039;s discretion to refer matters to the police. 

In fact, it seems to me to be doubtful whether the Green actions were actually an intentional breach of the law (the Commission deciding they were): the breach was predominantly due to vandalism, the signs originally displaying promoter statements. Act&#039;s breach, however, was clearly intentional. It was designed to get publicity. It was also persistent and was never rectified. Deliberate breaches of the law should be referred to the police, or we do risk becoming a banana republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read the Commision&#8217;s decisions in relation to the Green sign and the Act jacket, I agree with the outcomes in both cases. Putting to one side my views on the propriety of the law itself, the decisions are a justifiable exercise of the Commission&#8217;s discretion to refer matters to the police. </p>
<p>In fact, it seems to me to be doubtful whether the Green actions were actually an intentional breach of the law (the Commission deciding they were): the breach was predominantly due to vandalism, the signs originally displaying promoter statements. Act&#8217;s breach, however, was clearly intentional. It was designed to get publicity. It was also persistent and was never rectified. Deliberate breaches of the law should be referred to the police, or we do risk becoming a banana republic.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Prick</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514820</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Prick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wait for 5 years and then look back and realise that Helen did a remarkable job as PM.&quot;

You are fucking kidding?  Knob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wait for 5 years and then look back and realise that Helen did a remarkable job as PM.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are fucking kidding?  Knob.</p>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/rodney_faces_prosecution_for_his_yellow_jacket.html#comment-514819</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodgod

The pledge card expense gives me particular angst.  Each party gets a budget to spend on publicity.  In 2005 National chose to spend its money on those odious Iwi Kiwi billboards and on Crosby Textor advice.  Labour saved its money up and spent it on the pledge card.  This small piece of publicity contained promises from Helen and Labour what they would do if elected.  They then did exactly what they promised to do.  How this is somehow dishonest beggars me.

Then when the Auditor General chose to say that things were different to how all of the parties thought it would be Labour, through its MPs and members paid the money back.  This is not evidence of corruption, it is evidence of the greatest amount of good will.

Let National open its records of donations received and expenditure of Parliamentary Services money and then let us have this debate.

Speeding cars?  Well I should go to the closest jail and offer myself up for prison.  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Evidence of corruption?  You throw words around without actually understanding their meaning.

Wait for 5 years and then look back and realise that Helen did a remarkable job as PM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodgod</p>
<p>The pledge card expense gives me particular angst.  Each party gets a budget to spend on publicity.  In 2005 National chose to spend its money on those odious Iwi Kiwi billboards and on Crosby Textor advice.  Labour saved its money up and spent it on the pledge card.  This small piece of publicity contained promises from Helen and Labour what they would do if elected.  They then did exactly what they promised to do.  How this is somehow dishonest beggars me.</p>
<p>Then when the Auditor General chose to say that things were different to how all of the parties thought it would be Labour, through its MPs and members paid the money back.  This is not evidence of corruption, it is evidence of the greatest amount of good will.</p>
<p>Let National open its records of donations received and expenditure of Parliamentary Services money and then let us have this debate.</p>
<p>Speeding cars?  Well I should go to the closest jail and offer myself up for prison.  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.</p>
<p>Evidence of corruption?  You throw words around without actually understanding their meaning.</p>
<p>Wait for 5 years and then look back and realise that Helen did a remarkable job as PM.</p>
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		<title>By: kiwipolemicist</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiwipolemicist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the former Minister of Arts, Culture &amp; Heritage (Herr Helen, whose only fashion sense lay in an airbrush and whose only artistic ability lay in fraudulent signatures) had made some fashion laws then Rodney&#039;s jacket would have got him 20 to life.

You&#039;ve got to admit that the jacket was a brilliant piece of publicity.

www.kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the former Minister of Arts, Culture &amp; Heritage (Herr Helen, whose only fashion sense lay in an airbrush and whose only artistic ability lay in fraudulent signatures) had made some fashion laws then Rodney&#8217;s jacket would have got him 20 to life.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got to admit that the jacket was a brilliant piece of publicity.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com</a></p>
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