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		<title>By: Flashman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-518122</link>
		<dc:creator>Flashman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sort of thing is meat and drink to security police everywhere on the planet.  

Cultivating a cadre of informants embedded in &quot;groups of interest&quot; costs peanuts and is remarkably effective at keeping tabs on specific individuals and maintaining up to date intelligence files.

A useful side benefit is the deterrent placed on such groups&#039; potential &quot;plans of action&quot; by their almost certain knowledge that they have been infiltrated and compromised.  This latter bonus is probably especially acute in the case of what I imagine to be the characteristically amateurish [but empassioned] activist groups commonly encountered in NZ: the IRA they ain&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of thing is meat and drink to security police everywhere on the planet.  </p>
<p>Cultivating a cadre of informants embedded in &#8220;groups of interest&#8221; costs peanuts and is remarkably effective at keeping tabs on specific individuals and maintaining up to date intelligence files.</p>
<p>A useful side benefit is the deterrent placed on such groups&#8217; potential &#8220;plans of action&#8221; by their almost certain knowledge that they have been infiltrated and compromised.  This latter bonus is probably especially acute in the case of what I imagine to be the characteristically amateurish [but empassioned] activist groups commonly encountered in NZ: the IRA they ain&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: NeillR</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeillR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is this bleating coming from the same leftie losers who were quite happy to spy on the National party conference and release selective details of private conversations? The stench of hypocrisy is ovewhelming tbh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is this bleating coming from the same leftie losers who were quite happy to spy on the National party conference and release selective details of private conversations? The stench of hypocrisy is ovewhelming tbh.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517902</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is heartening news to me that the NZ Police has been &quot;doing its job&quot; regarding these groups. If you follow Trevor Loudon&#039;s site, where he keeps a watch on what NZ Radical groups members are saying to each other and the kinds of associations they keep internationally, you too would take this seriously. If these people assure us publicly that they have purely peaceable democratic intentions, well, &quot;they would, wouldn&#039;t they&quot;......

http://newzeal.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is heartening news to me that the NZ Police has been &#8220;doing its job&#8221; regarding these groups. If you follow Trevor Loudon&#8217;s site, where he keeps a watch on what NZ Radical groups members are saying to each other and the kinds of associations they keep internationally, you too would take this seriously. If these people assure us publicly that they have purely peaceable democratic intentions, well, &#8220;they would, wouldn&#8217;t they&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://newzeal.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://newzeal.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: enough rope</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517877</link>
		<dc:creator>enough rope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If a group has a criminal element they deserve to be watched, if they do nothing illegal, they have nothing to worry about do they?&lt;/i&gt;

Gilchrist was a provocateur. If these people weren&#039;t breaking the law he put a lot of work into putting them up to stepping over the line. Perhaps he&#039;d get a bonus when he succeeded. It&#039;s been known to happen with undercover drug operatives.

If there&#039;s been no outcry about &quot;car scene groups&quot; being infiltrated, or others who the police think might be worth watching, it&#039;s probably because they haven&#039;t twigged to it yet. No terrorists? Play sillybuggers chasing hoons &#039;n hippies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If a group has a criminal element they deserve to be watched, if they do nothing illegal, they have nothing to worry about do they?</i></p>
<p>Gilchrist was a provocateur. If these people weren&#8217;t breaking the law he put a lot of work into putting them up to stepping over the line. Perhaps he&#8217;d get a bonus when he succeeded. It&#8217;s been known to happen with undercover drug operatives.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s been no outcry about &#8220;car scene groups&#8221; being infiltrated, or others who the police think might be worth watching, it&#8217;s probably because they haven&#8217;t twigged to it yet. No terrorists? Play sillybuggers chasing hoons &#8216;n hippies.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517849</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I repeat:

&gt;&gt;Hmm, besides the humour of the deadbeats getting reamed by one of their own…

&gt;&gt; WTF is the police force up to spying on a few stupid hippies?

Too many mustaches make policing a very strange place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I repeat:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Hmm, besides the humour of the deadbeats getting reamed by one of their own…</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; WTF is the police force up to spying on a few stupid hippies?</p>
<p>Too many mustaches make policing a very strange place.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517846</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, its different with animal rights activists because they are COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS! Gasp!

AKA Code Monkies.  A thousand type writers etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, its different with animal rights activists because they are COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS! Gasp!</p>
<p>AKA Code Monkies.  A thousand type writers etc.</p>
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		<title>By: rolla_fxgt</title>
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		<dc:creator>rolla_fxgt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there would be such an outcry if it was found out that the police pay informants to spy/infiltrate car scene groups? I&#039;m pretty sure it does happen in NZ, especially in Christchurch, but no one seems to care about that. Why is this any different? 
If a group has a criminal element they deserve to be watched, if they do nothing illegal, they have nothing to worry about do they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there would be such an outcry if it was found out that the police pay informants to spy/infiltrate car scene groups? I&#8217;m pretty sure it does happen in NZ, especially in Christchurch, but no one seems to care about that. Why is this any different?<br />
If a group has a criminal element they deserve to be watched, if they do nothing illegal, they have nothing to worry about do they?</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;explosives in their kitchens&quot;?

eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;explosives in their kitchens&#8221;?</p>
<p>eh?</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517822</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, so maybe the story is that some of these dumb hippies have been dealt with leniently by the previous administration because of their left leaning politics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so maybe the story is that some of these dumb hippies have been dealt with leniently by the previous administration because of their left leaning politics?</p>
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		<title>By: bharmer</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517821</link>
		<dc:creator>bharmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps they aren&#039;t keeping an eye on the participants in Kiwiblog either  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps they aren&#8217;t keeping an eye on the participants in Kiwiblog either  <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adolf Fiinkensein</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517819</link>
		<dc:creator>Adolf Fiinkensein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expat, if you have a look at the police affidavit associated with the Urewera gang, you&#039;ll get your answer, quick smart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expat, if you have a look at the police affidavit associated with the Urewera gang, you&#8217;ll get your answer, quick smart.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517818</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, so there are some very unsavoury characters involved in these groups then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, so there are some very unsavoury characters involved in these groups then?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517817</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Police aren&#039;t infiltrating groups like the National Front or the &#039;Close the Bases Coalition&#039; I would be very worried indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Police aren&#8217;t infiltrating groups like the National Front or the &#8216;Close the Bases Coalition&#8217; I would be very worried indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517816</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, besides the humour of the deadbeats getting reamed by one of their own...

WTF is the police force up to spying on a few stupid hippies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, besides the humour of the deadbeats getting reamed by one of their own&#8230;</p>
<p>WTF is the police force up to spying on a few stupid hippies?</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517815</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Peaceful groups&quot; some of whom seem to be having trouble explaining why they felt the need to have explosives in their kitchens have attracted the interest of the police ... shock horror.

It&#039;s called intteligence and the same wankers who are up in arms of this &quot;spying&quot; are the first ones in the sackcloth and ashes que to bitch that the police should have known/done something about it before these people did whatever tiny brained dipshit stunt they pull off.

Meanwhile these self same &quot;peaceful groups&quot; have no issues about spying on others, entering other peoples property, damaging other peoples property, etc etc.

The difference being that the police are regulated and answerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Peaceful groups&#8221; some of whom seem to be having trouble explaining why they felt the need to have explosives in their kitchens have attracted the interest of the police &#8230; shock horror.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called intteligence and the same wankers who are up in arms of this &#8220;spying&#8221; are the first ones in the sackcloth and ashes que to bitch that the police should have known/done something about it before these people did whatever tiny brained dipshit stunt they pull off.</p>
<p>Meanwhile these self same &#8220;peaceful groups&#8221; have no issues about spying on others, entering other peoples property, damaging other peoples property, etc etc.</p>
<p>The difference being that the police are regulated and answerable.</p>
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		<title>By: enough rope</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517814</link>
		<dc:creator>enough rope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;. . . 5 cent soul&lt;/i&gt;
Ha! 
I&#039;d suggest, though, that having a &quot;5 cent soul&quot; is something Gilchrist shares with the keystone cop &quot;security police&quot;. Only in their case the government, as so often happens, grossly overpays them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>. . . 5 cent soul</i><br />
Ha!<br />
I&#8217;d suggest, though, that having a &#8220;5 cent soul&#8221; is something Gilchrist shares with the keystone cop &#8220;security police&#8221;. Only in their case the government, as so often happens, grossly overpays them.</p>
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		<title>By: the deity formerly known as nigel6888</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/12/the_sst_police_spying_story.html#comment-517813</link>
		<dc:creator>the deity formerly known as nigel6888</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>criminal conspirators got spied on!!!! hold the press!!!

oh well, another very very stupid protestor, and an even more stupid informer, mind you, if i was having to shag stupid hippies and hang out with Hagar and his mates, i&#039;d probably set it up so i was sprung too...

:)

of course spying on an opposition leader and publishing stolen emails is entirely different, isnt it?

Hagar is such a hypocrite, maybe if he took the silver spoon from his mouth and had to work for a living like the rest of us he might have a different approach?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>criminal conspirators got spied on!!!! hold the press!!!</p>
<p>oh well, another very very stupid protestor, and an even more stupid informer, mind you, if i was having to shag stupid hippies and hang out with Hagar and his mates, i&#8217;d probably set it up so i was sprung too&#8230;</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>of course spying on an opposition leader and publishing stolen emails is entirely different, isnt it?</p>
<p>Hagar is such a hypocrite, maybe if he took the silver spoon from his mouth and had to work for a living like the rest of us he might have a different approach?</p>
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		<title>By: Flashman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flashman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a security police standpoint there are more Gilchrist&#039;s out there than you can shake a stick at.  A few hundred dollars a week tax free is an irresistable deal for many a soft core activist with a taste for an indolent lifestyle.  

It&#039;s an easy offer to make if one of these fellas turns up on some random criminal charge and a routine background check reveals an active involvement in some &quot;group of interest&quot;.  A quiet avuncular chat and an initial financial sweetner - and you own his 5 cent soul.

I hope the plausible deniablity checklist passes muster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a security police standpoint there are more Gilchrist&#8217;s out there than you can shake a stick at.  A few hundred dollars a week tax free is an irresistable deal for many a soft core activist with a taste for an indolent lifestyle.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an easy offer to make if one of these fellas turns up on some random criminal charge and a routine background check reveals an active involvement in some &#8220;group of interest&#8221;.  A quiet avuncular chat and an initial financial sweetner &#8211; and you own his 5 cent soul.</p>
<p>I hope the plausible deniablity checklist passes muster.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>* or are certain individuals linked back into the Labour administrations dirt stealing &amp; slinging factory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* or are certain individuals linked back into the Labour administrations dirt stealing &amp; slinging factory.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are the commies moaning now? They knew about this before the election didnt they?

I just luuurve Ms Rees comment that her presumed ex beau was used by the police for over a decade - this sounds like a smoke screen.  

Are &#039;they&#039;* worried their extra curricular activities have been spilt by their &#039;mate&#039; to the coppers?

* Commies and the substandard crew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the commies moaning now? They knew about this before the election didnt they?</p>
<p>I just luuurve Ms Rees comment that her presumed ex beau was used by the police for over a decade &#8211; this sounds like a smoke screen.  </p>
<p>Are &#8216;they&#8217;* worried their extra curricular activities have been spilt by their &#8216;mate&#8217; to the coppers?</p>
<p>* Commies and the substandard crew.</p>
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