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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/fridays_mps.html#comment-527307</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry David but is is still bullshit, just the idea that Maori employee, employers need extra bloody help is absolute bullshit.
And these people are proud of the bloody fact that they are making dough because some Maori are too bloody idle to learn.
Dear god we have some companies in NZ who believe paying some prat to say a prayer in Maori will help productivity.
What these people know about raising productivity in different fields can be put on a pin head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry David but is is still bullshit, just the idea that Maori employee, employers need extra bloody help is absolute bullshit.<br />
And these people are proud of the bloody fact that they are making dough because some Maori are too bloody idle to learn.<br />
Dear god we have some companies in NZ who believe paying some prat to say a prayer in Maori will help productivity.<br />
What these people know about raising productivity in different fields can be put on a pin head.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/fridays_mps.html#comment-527262</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[DPF: Actually GPL had many private sector clients, off memory]
 
 And I wonder what percentage of her turnover  was taxpayers money ?
Those private clients were they iwi organisations or organisaions whose bill was meet with taxpayer money ?
Yes David I do know how the consultancy games works for those Maori 
involved.
Experts in their field they say, a rather artificial field is it not ?

[DPF: I&#039;ve not worked for GPL and my memory is from discussions some years ago but my impression was a significant number of private sector companies, including several on the NZX]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[DPF: Actually GPL had many private sector clients, off memory]</p>
<p> And I wonder what percentage of her turnover  was taxpayers money ?<br />
Those private clients were they iwi organisations or organisaions whose bill was meet with taxpayer money ?<br />
Yes David I do know how the consultancy games works for those Maori<br />
involved.<br />
Experts in their field they say, a rather artificial field is it not ?</p>
<p>[DPF: I've not worked for GPL and my memory is from discussions some years ago but my impression was a significant number of private sector companies, including several on the NZX]</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/fridays_mps.html#comment-527246</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm,  Parata wants to help horis, but the help needs to go through organisations ?
Christ this gives me the absolute shits, want to start a business as a hori, do your bloody homework on what you are going in to.
Save your bloody money.
Just who the hell is Parata to believe that I may need her help.
And I bet she has never had to meet a payroll on bloody time.
Only one thing worse than patronising pakeha and that is patronising bloody horis.
Bloody easy to spout off when one has had the snout right in the taxpayer trough.
A bloody consultant that figures, what is the betting that her only customer has been the poor bloody taxpayer

[DPF: Actually GPL had many private sector clients, off memory]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm,  Parata wants to help horis, but the help needs to go through organisations ?<br />
Christ this gives me the absolute shits, want to start a business as a hori, do your bloody homework on what you are going in to.<br />
Save your bloody money.<br />
Just who the hell is Parata to believe that I may need her help.<br />
And I bet she has never had to meet a payroll on bloody time.<br />
Only one thing worse than patronising pakeha and that is patronising bloody horis.<br />
Bloody easy to spout off when one has had the snout right in the taxpayer trough.<br />
A bloody consultant that figures, what is the betting that her only customer has been the poor bloody taxpayer</p>
<p>[DPF: Actually GPL had many private sector clients, off memory]</p>
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		<title>By: Buggerlugs</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/fridays_mps.html#comment-527197</link>
		<dc:creator>Buggerlugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These guys are soooo boring.  I can&#039;t wait for Catherine &quot; Silly Party&quot; Delahunty&#039;s piece - there will be fruitbatomania for weeks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys are soooo boring.  I can&#8217;t wait for Catherine &#8221; Silly Party&#8221; Delahunty&#8217;s piece &#8211; there will be fruitbatomania for weeks!</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/fridays_mps.html#comment-527195</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it seems to me that what Parata is suggesting is not “beneficiary bashing” or taking away benefits&quot;

What a pity, taking away most benefits sounds like a great idea to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it seems to me that what Parata is suggesting is not “beneficiary bashing” or taking away benefits&#8221;</p>
<p>What a pity, taking away most benefits sounds like a great idea to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonny1</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/fridays_mps.html#comment-527194</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian Lees-Galloway absolutely fits the labour party&#039;s stereotypical image - he&#039;s a ginga geek who won&#039;t do anything for Palmerston North, I saw him at a bar town before the election with a bunch of equally androdgynous supporters including  Smarmy from Palmy Maharey. Clearly all students in brown homespun jerseys, or academia who went from student to lecturer and have never held a real job. IL-G needed to go pee and used the ladies instead of the mens, had to be asked by staff to play the game and stand up to piss. LAUGH! Unfortunately being a student and university town its a Labour stronghold but I&#039;m hoping he&#039;s a one term wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian Lees-Galloway absolutely fits the labour party&#8217;s stereotypical image &#8211; he&#8217;s a ginga geek who won&#8217;t do anything for Palmerston North, I saw him at a bar town before the election with a bunch of equally androdgynous supporters including  Smarmy from Palmy Maharey. Clearly all students in brown homespun jerseys, or academia who went from student to lecturer and have never held a real job. IL-G needed to go pee and used the ladies instead of the mens, had to be asked by staff to play the game and stand up to piss. LAUGH! Unfortunately being a student and university town its a Labour stronghold but I&#8217;m hoping he&#8217;s a one term wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/fridays_mps.html#comment-527192</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>s.russell:

You could be right... the trouble is &quot;the state playing a lesser role&quot; is often code for &quot;benefit cuts&quot;, but it may not be in this case. It&#039;d be helpful if she were to clarify how she sees this lesser role working in practice. Even if the same budget is spent, but &quot;filtered through organisations that worked and lived with the people affected&quot; then that&#039;s exactly what &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt; happen - a filter traps some things (part of the money) while letting some through.

And I don&#039;t think jacob was accusing &lt;i&gt;Parata&lt;/i&gt; of wanting to defraud the state, merely pointing out that privatised welfare delivery carries with it the very real risk of misuse of those funds - either with good intentions but risible outcomes (e.g. Hip hop courses) or bad intentions and even worse outcomes (e.g. Awatere-Huata).

Which is not in any way to imply that welfare doesn&#039;t need a major overhaul - it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>s.russell:</p>
<p>You could be right&#8230; the trouble is &#8220;the state playing a lesser role&#8221; is often code for &#8220;benefit cuts&#8221;, but it may not be in this case. It&#8217;d be helpful if she were to clarify how she sees this lesser role working in practice. Even if the same budget is spent, but &#8220;filtered through organisations that worked and lived with the people affected&#8221; then that&#8217;s exactly what <i>will</i> happen &#8211; a filter traps some things (part of the money) while letting some through.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think jacob was accusing <i>Parata</i> of wanting to defraud the state, merely pointing out that privatised welfare delivery carries with it the very real risk of misuse of those funds &#8211; either with good intentions but risible outcomes (e.g. Hip hop courses) or bad intentions and even worse outcomes (e.g. Awatere-Huata).</p>
<p>Which is not in any way to imply that welfare doesn&#8217;t need a major overhaul &#8211; it does.</p>
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		<title>By: s.russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>s.russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, it seems to me that what Parata is suggesting is not &quot;beneficiary bashing&quot; or taking away benefits, but trying to change the way they work so that necessary support is less corrosive of communities and does less to create a dependency trap. That is something I applaud. Yes, she does support, but she recognises the perils of that support and is seeking to find a path between Scylla and Charbidys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, it seems to me that what Parata is suggesting is not &#8220;beneficiary bashing&#8221; or taking away benefits, but trying to change the way they work so that necessary support is less corrosive of communities and does less to create a dependency trap. That is something I applaud. Yes, she does support, but she recognises the perils of that support and is seeking to find a path between Scylla and Charbidys.</p>
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		<title>By: s.russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/fridays_mps.html#comment-527162</link>
		<dc:creator>s.russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that comparison with Donna Awatere-Huata was uncalled for, jacob: you are hinting at fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that comparison with Donna Awatere-Huata was uncalled for, jacob: you are hinting at fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: jacob van hartog</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob van hartog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rex makes a good point , Parata  seems to like the States money  so long as its not the state dishing it out.

..er recipe for doing so was for the state to play a lesser role in communities and instead be filtered through organisations that worked and lived with the people affected..
filtered through organisations ...   sounds a bit like  more Donna Huata and her presigned cheque books</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rex makes a good point , Parata  seems to like the States money  so long as its not the state dishing it out.</p>
<p>..er recipe for doing so was for the state to play a lesser role in communities and instead be filtered through organisations that worked and lived with the people affected..<br />
filtered through organisations &#8230;   sounds a bit like  more Donna Huata and her presigned cheque books</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/fridays_mps.html#comment-527146</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m doing her a grave injustice - and I apologise if I am, because I&#039;m well aware that bits of what you say can be left out by the media - but Hekia Parata comes across as a bit of an ideologue in this piece.

You don&#039;t remove &quot;capricious officialdom&quot; (i.e. government support) from welfare without &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; removing it from the productive enterprises that can generate wealth, jobs and foreign exchange. For a perfect example look no further than the dire warnings about doing something with 2ha of your &lt;i&gt;own&lt;/i&gt; land posted here today.

Government regulation and interference has hogtied a lot of small to medium business activity, and no support is offered for activity like R&amp;D. Then IRD comes along and gouges what little profit they&#039;re able to make.

As a result they&#039;re constrained in the numbers of people they can employ, and we end up with more unemployed than we would otherwise have.

What needs to be done is to &lt;i&gt;first&lt;/i&gt; remove the &quot;capricious officialdom&quot; that stands in the way of progress. Then when growth has had a chance to happen we can look at reducing community supports because hopefully they won&#039;t need any.

But to suggest the state play &quot;a lesser role in communities&quot; without also suggesting it play a lesser role (or better yet, no role at all) in regulating and punishing and taxing to death people who&#039;re trying to create economic growth and jobs sounds to me very much like the same old beneficiary bashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m doing her a grave injustice &#8211; and I apologise if I am, because I&#8217;m well aware that bits of what you say can be left out by the media &#8211; but Hekia Parata comes across as a bit of an ideologue in this piece.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t remove &#8220;capricious officialdom&#8221; (i.e. government support) from welfare without <i>also</i> removing it from the productive enterprises that can generate wealth, jobs and foreign exchange. For a perfect example look no further than the dire warnings about doing something with 2ha of your <i>own</i> land posted here today.</p>
<p>Government regulation and interference has hogtied a lot of small to medium business activity, and no support is offered for activity like R&amp;D. Then IRD comes along and gouges what little profit they&#8217;re able to make.</p>
<p>As a result they&#8217;re constrained in the numbers of people they can employ, and we end up with more unemployed than we would otherwise have.</p>
<p>What needs to be done is to <i>first</i> remove the &#8220;capricious officialdom&#8221; that stands in the way of progress. Then when growth has had a chance to happen we can look at reducing community supports because hopefully they won&#8217;t need any.</p>
<p>But to suggest the state play &#8220;a lesser role in communities&#8221; without also suggesting it play a lesser role (or better yet, no role at all) in regulating and punishing and taxing to death people who&#8217;re trying to create economic growth and jobs sounds to me very much like the same old beneficiary bashing.</p>
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		<title>By: peterwn</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/fridays_mps.html#comment-527135</link>
		<dc:creator>peterwn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hekia was just so unlucky not to get into Parliament in 2002 (she was the highest unsuccessful National list candidate) and for various understandable reasons chose not to throw her hat in the ring in 2005.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hekia was just so unlucky not to get into Parliament in 2002 (she was the highest unsuccessful National list candidate) and for various understandable reasons chose not to throw her hat in the ring in 2005.</p>
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