Herald on Yang Liu

January 31st, 2009 at 9:30 am by David Farrar

Finally we have the mainstream media publishing on the citizenship scandal. Well done to the who have a long story by Phil Taylor:

Jones granted Liu citizenship against the advice of Department of Internal Affairs (DIA) officials who informed the minister that Liu was suspected of identity fraud, including entering New Zealand and applying for permanent residency and citizenship under a false name, and was subject to an Interpol red notice indicating he was wanted for arrest in China on charges relating to alleged large-scale misappropriation and embezzlement and of stealing another person’s identity and using it to obtain two false passports.

Liu had not resolved the matter, either by contacting the Chinese authorities or through the Chinese court system, Jones was told, and “had not fulfilled the onus of satisfying … that he meets the good character requirement” of the Citizenship Act.

Jones has not publicly explained why he overrode advice to decline Liu’s citizenship application and earlier this month declined the Herald’s request to do so.

And that is not good enough. MPs and Ministers need to be accountable for their decisions. You can refuse to comment if it is some issue of private business. But you can’t hand out cizienship to alleged wanted criminals and refuse to explain.

And then we have:

By 2007 Immigration officials recommended Liu’s permanent residency be revoked on grounds that he had allegedly provided false information.

The Immigration Minister of the time, , did not act on the advice, instead recommending further investigation and noting that he did not “discount the possibility of reconsidering it in the future”.

As part of those further investigations, Immigration last April obtained a search warrant to seize from the DIA identity documents Liu had provided as part of his citizenship application.

Two weeks later Samuels wrote to Barker again, condemning the delay and urging Liu’s citizenship application be given urgent attention.

Delegating for Barker, Jones granted citizenship to Liu on August 6, 2008.

Five days later, Liu had a citizenship ceremony at Parliament, in the Maori Affairs select committee room. Samuels officiated.

So DIA are saying this guy is so bad you should revoke his residency, while Labour Ministers not only refused to do that, but did the opposite by making him a citizen and giving him a private VIP ceremony at Parliament.

A second story by Taylor focuses on David Cunliffe:

The Weekend Herald can reveal that Mr Liu was given citizenship nine months after officials advised the Immigration Minister at the time, David Cunliffe, that dual identities allegedly used by Mr Liu were grounds to revoke his permanent residency. They provided a legal opinion in support.

So you have multiple people in the gun:

  • for giving him citizenship, against advice
  • David Cunliffe for refusing to revoke his permanent residency, against advice
  • for advocating on behalf of Liu, despite knowing about the allegations from China

As I said, it is excellent to see the Herald cover this story. A pity though they did not credit the original investigation by TGIF.

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29 Responses to “Herald on Yang Liu”

  1. poneke (280 comments) says:

    David why are you so selective in what you write? Pansy Wong also wrote in support of giving citizenship to this man, who also gave $5000 to John Key.

    He wasn’t just conning Labour MPs, he was also ingratiating himself with National ones.

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  2. budgieboy (113 comments) says:

    Good to see this make a Major Daily.

    I agree, a “thank you Mr Wishart” wouldn’t have hurt them though.

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  3. poneke (280 comments) says:

    David, why are you so selective in what you wrote?

    Pansy Wong also wrote a letter in support of granting citizenship to this man, who also personally gave $5000 to John Key as a party donation.

    It seems he was ingratiating himself with poliiticians of many hues, not just Labour ones.

    [DPF: There is a world of difference between the actions of Pansy who did not know of the allegations around Liu and the three Labour MPs and Ministers who did know. The crucial thing is what MPs did after being told what this man was suspected of. On those grounds Jones has no excuses]

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  4. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    So what do we have ….

    Samuels has ‘pissed’ off to Australia …. no loss there. Jones remains an incredibly lazy MP overshadowed completely in the Far North on the Labour side by his colleague Kelvin Davies while Mr Cunliffe whiles away the time attending Knife Sharpening 101 Courses and taking lessons in hair styling from Peter Dunne.

    Question … can a persons citizenship be revolked. Answer … I suspect it can if it was granted on the basis of false information and, if it can, then Jonathon Coleman should so act.

    Question … will Jones and Cunliffe do the decent thing and resign. Answer … is the Pope taking ‘instruction’ in the Protestant faith.

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  5. reid (16,472 comments) says:

    The Nats could make this into a big deal if they wanted to and I think they should, not for political reasons but to expose corruption.

    Does anyone think that if the situations were reversed and National Ministers had done this, that Labour wouldn’t make it into a big deal?

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  6. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Well done to the NZ Herald who have a long story by Phil Taylor”

    Sorry. Can’t agree with this. The story was broken by Ian Wishart and “Investigate”, and I could not find one recognizance or acknowledgment of this in the Phil Taylor article. Whilst Mr. Taylor uses words like “reveal”, the fact is the Herald does very little “revealing” unless it is embarrassed into it either by Investigate or the blogosphere.

    The Herald might deserve some kudos if it had actually broken the story, or even if it had hat tipped Wishart, but it didn’t do either of these. The article is good, but is spoiled overall by this glaring omission.

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  7. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    Right.
    1) Better late than never, I suppose
    2) If H1 was still PM, do you think the Herald’s gonads might just have failed them anyway? Could you see the MSM beating this up and calling for resignations if it concerned an actual Cabinet Minister in a still-surviving Labour-led government?
    3) Approximately 70% of the stuff dished on the Heleban by Ian Wishart still remains non-mentioned by the MSM anyway. This is just a sickening disgrace. Not only were the MSM rolling over and going to sleep on their watch, under the Heleban, but they literally participated in the cover-up when the country’s only real investigative journalist dug anything up.

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  8. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    It is nice to see DPF at any rate, coming around from the old “let’s be so eager to show ourselves as a moderate centrist that we just go along with the Left’s labelling of Rightwing Christianfundy nutter journalists as beyond the pale and not to be seen dead reading or quoting” stance. I hope certain other National Party identities (yes, you know who you are) are coming around from this spineless and self-destructive stance too.

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  9. reid (16,472 comments) says:

    Approximately 70% of the stuff dished on the Heleban by Ian Wishart still remains non-mentioned by the MSM anyway.

    Totally agree Phil, and add that curiously, the only times the MSM picked up on Wishart’s material was when it was to the advantage of the Heleban.

    The seminal case being, the widespread broadcast of Tamihere’s interview that ended the Labour career of that outstanding politician.

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  10. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    Nice to see the spotlight turned on Cunners – was he REALLY “running this show”?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/01/more-grief-for-cunners.html

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  11. LUCY (359 comments) says:

    Thank you Mr Wishart you should have received the kudos for this story. Im with Reid on this one. Action needs to be taken by National if it isnt then they will be condoning corruption and that will give me, for one, cause for concern. I sincerely hoped that the era of corruption was behind NZ

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  12. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    Great point about Tamihere, Reid. That guy should go far in NZ politics; here’s hoping for a comeback. Perhaps Labour could do well to rehabilitiate him and groom him as their next leader.

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  13. reid (16,472 comments) says:

    Cunners – was he REALLY “running this show?”

    Yes Inventory2, as we all agreed here when Wishart first broke this story, the real question is: who ordered him to do it? Only a genuine open enquiry using govt resources will have the slightest hope of tracking that one down, although I wouldn’t be surprised if not only is that question never answered, but also, that it’s never officially asked in the first place.

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  14. reid (16,472 comments) says:

    Perhaps Labour could do well to rehabilitiate him and groom him as their next leader.

    That WOULD be interesting wouldn’t it Phil.

    Labour really is his only natural vehicle. I guess his problem is that while the left of the Labour Party holds sway, whether or not they continue to hold the absolute power they held during the last nine years, until their power base significantly reduces, he will never be allowed to get back into a position where he can take the reigns.

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  15. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    One issue that the MSM is disgracefully missing in action on, is the rot that is setting in in the NZ Police force. I was completely unsurprised to read about them using the threat of targetting someone driving their car and ticketing them 3 times in quick succession so as to cost that person their drivers license; all as a threat against that person pursuing perfectly legitimate complaints against crooked cops.

    I always said that something like this would be the result of giving the cops such powers in the first place; where they are in fact expected to fill quotas by targeting basically safe drivers on infringements of the letter of the law, so as to reap revenue; never mind about actual issues of safety; then of course, like the gendarmes in Gilbert and Sullivan, when real danger looms, “we’re never there”……If you get yourself a loud exhaust and a skinhead hairstyle, they will probably leave you alone.

    I honestly think this racket has gone as far as speed limit signs being posted and yellow lines painted in positions that have in mind the entrapment of basically sensible drivers in absurdly safe situations. The effect on any cops with a sense of human decency, is of course that they will quit the force, which rapidly becomes a hotbed of thuggish sadist types, all the better for their socialist political masters (I refer to the previous government, of course) who will require them to do a lot worse to their citizenry as their nanny statist micromanaging of lives goes deeper. The latest Investigate Mag had an article on how bad this has got in the UK; all the while that vile criminals are getting revolving-door processing from increasingly liberal courts, little old ladies are getting chucked into jail overnite and fined hundred of pounds for, say, feeding the birds in the park against some little Napoleon’s obscure bylaw.

    As the old saying goes, “absolute power corrupts absolutely”. That is the NZ Cops today. Our new National government needs to seize this situation by the scruff of its ugly neck.

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  16. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    I said it a lot of times going back a bit, that Tamihere and a few other decent Labour Party people who have been shoved aside in the candidate selection process by the party power brokers, should form a “Real Labour Party” and go very messily public on the way the Party that the old faithfuls have always supported, has been hijacked and diverted away from its original aims. I could never understand how the Catholics and the decent family working men that were major core support, could go along with the immoral social engineering agenda.

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  17. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Damn good post on the corruption of the Police Phil, and agree entirely that this began with the abuse of natural justice that began in the traffic laws. Have you been to NSW lately? The situation is just so out of control there with a population cowed and submissive to a group of jack booted thugs of a kind that should never hold any power over anyone. Not in any true democracy.

    The so called road safety laws that exist in NZ are just the precursor to more oppressive social totalitarianism. The docility of the people is so infuriating, but of course the reason for this is the corruption of the media. My old war cry- first, fix the media. As long as they lie and cheat and propagandize in the service of totalitarian socialism, there’s little chance of change. (or if you like, first fix the education system- chicken and egg).

    There are just so many dangerous people abroad in politics these days, and so few heroes.

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  18. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    Just a minor quibble David – it’s Immigration, not DIA, who recommended his residence be revoked. DIA have no say over residence and Immigration no say over Citizenship – they are administered by two totally different departments. Possibly part of teh problem, although AFAIK the government has no plan to change this (though they did in 2005)

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  19. kiki (425 comments) says:

    so will national kick him out?

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  20. Paulus (2,628 comments) says:

    Pathetic, but not unexpected about simple minded MSM – particularly Harold.

    Wishart published everything Harold says before the election, and MSM are buffered into doing nothing, now claiming “How Great We Art”.

    A serious corruption exquiry should take place re this, and other questions from the previous administration, including Klark (who has not found a new job yet – perhaps they do not need a new know best mother) and Simpson, but it will never happen so will not hold my breath

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  21. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    reid said “Yes Inventory2, as we all agreed here when Wishart first broke this story, the real question is: who ordered him to do it? Only a genuine open enquiry using govt resources will have the slightest hope of tracking that one down, although I wouldn’t be surprised if not only is that question never answered, but also, that it’s never officially asked in the first place.”

    Agree about the need for a FULL enquiry reid. Cunliffe’s level of involvement is the real sleeper here, and has elevated this story from being just a chronicle about Shane Jones’ lack of judgement to systemic abuse of process at Ministerial level. As I blogged this morning, this will significantltly dent Cunners’ LP leadership ambitions, especially when you add in the Baygate fiasco.

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  22. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    reid said “Labour really is his only natural vehicle. I guess his problem is that while the left of the Labour Party holds sway, whether or not they continue to hold the absolute power they held during the last nine years, until their power base significantly reduces, he will never be allowed to get back into a position where he can take the reigns.”

    I disagree with you about Tamihere reid – in his Wishart interview, he said something along the lines that “I could sleep easy in my bed at night if John Key was in charge” – given the unexpected synergy between National and Maori, who could rule out Tamihere batting for the other team, if you’ll pardon the expression? I certainly wouldn’t.

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  23. reid (16,472 comments) says:

    I agree Tamihere would find a comfortable fit with the Nats, Inventory2. The question is though, would the Nats be comfortable with him?

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  24. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    Well, they put up with Tau Henare!

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  25. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, regarding the media, I read someone in the USA the other day, pointing out that the reason the Constitution granted such powers of freedom to the media, was that its writers expected the media to act as a COUNTER to the power of government, even with all their foresight in so many other areas, they simply did not foresee a time when the media would voluntarily be acting as an advocate of intrusive government and the proscription of freedom………..

    Saddening and sickening, eh?

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  26. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Saddening and sickening, eh?”

    Damn right. Of course they aren’t really the ‘media”. There is no real media. What we have is a group of left wing activists posing as the media. (Mainstream that is). Worse, there are very few students being taught the real role of the media, as journalism schools too have been perverted into leftist propaganda cells.

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  27. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Other than Ian Wishart do we have any other investigate journalists in the land of the lefty pc media? We have the gutless, spineless, shallow drop kick pathetic pretty boy eunuchs and feminist vipers and TV – Newspapers are lefty indoctrinated propaganda machines.

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  28. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    This is overt corruption, and should be investigated.

    Perhaps if Cunliffes daughter had got involved with a junior triad leader, and written a letter as naive as Bennets to the Parole Board, it

    would have seemed a lot more serious and detrimental to the State and its Citizens?

    The left are shitty losers in all respects. And yet as hypocritical as to defend any skullduggery by their tribe.

    Above the law, and yet determined to use law to crush all sense of individualism and initiative. Socialist Intellectuals with no tads.

    Could never start a business, or even run one at a profit. they know their best odds of making filthy cold lucre is in the wraps of corrupt and abusive power.

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  29. Tauhei Notts (1,715 comments) says:

    SHANE JONES IS ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE
    Is that comment racist, sexist, ageist, fascist, socialist, communist, or stick it up your bumb IST?
    Or is it homophobic, misogonystic, facetious, sarcastic or any other epithet favoured by the readers of The Standard?

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