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	<title>Comments on: Plasma TVs also on Greens ban list</title>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524381</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The longer the bone carving wearers piss off the better.</description>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
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		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and i am always &#039;better&#039; than them..anyway..

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and i am always &#8216;better&#8217; than them..anyway..</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
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		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..#  bharmer (62) Vote: Add rating 9  Subtract rating 0   Says:
January 12th, 2009 at 8:01 am

# jcuknz (91) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 0 Says:
January 12th, 2009 at 7:51 am
“I can’t wait for Morning Report to return, the silence is deafening.”

I wish someone could explain to me why TVNZ and Radio NZ think it is OK to take a month off each year, usually from a week before Christmas, which is marked by self-congratulatory celebrations of the year not-yet-ended, until about the fourth week of January. They replace detailed news with froth and fizz and retired musicians.

Yes I know that they need annual leave like the rest of us, but have you noticed how often the front persons disappear for long periods during the year. How much leave do they get anyway?..&quot;

but hey..!..you&#039;ve always got whoar...

..another twenty-something stories today..

..and every day..

http://whoar.co.nz/

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..#  bharmer (62) Vote: Add rating 9  Subtract rating 0   Says:<br />
January 12th, 2009 at 8:01 am</p>
<p># jcuknz (91) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 0 Says:<br />
January 12th, 2009 at 7:51 am<br />
“I can’t wait for Morning Report to return, the silence is deafening.”</p>
<p>I wish someone could explain to me why TVNZ and Radio NZ think it is OK to take a month off each year, usually from a week before Christmas, which is marked by self-congratulatory celebrations of the year not-yet-ended, until about the fourth week of January. They replace detailed news with froth and fizz and retired musicians.</p>
<p>Yes I know that they need annual leave like the rest of us, but have you noticed how often the front persons disappear for long periods during the year. How much leave do they get anyway?..&#8221;</p>
<p>but hey..!..you&#8217;ve always got whoar&#8230;</p>
<p>..another twenty-something stories today..</p>
<p>..and every day..</p>
<p><a href="http://whoar.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">http://whoar.co.nz/</a></p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: greenfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonny Blount - apologies for the lame reply to Patrick&#039;s ... lame joke (though I can&#039;t  for the life of me remember telling you all how smart I was) Are you suggesting that people chose cars because they had had enough of horse shit? That&#039;s an interesting take on history. Your claim that only 9% of people agree with &#039;my assesment of the environment&#039; is one that you must have extruded from a poorly lit part of your anatomy. How on earth did you draw that conclusion? Your &#039;symbiotic parasite&#039; theory (4.9% etc) likewise. Puts Act, the Maori Party and the Mr Dunne Party in a bad light and casts them in a remora-like role with National, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonny Blount &#8211; apologies for the lame reply to Patrick&#8217;s &#8230; lame joke (though I can&#8217;t  for the life of me remember telling you all how smart I was) Are you suggesting that people chose cars because they had had enough of horse shit? That&#8217;s an interesting take on history. Your claim that only 9% of people agree with &#8216;my assesment of the environment&#8217; is one that you must have extruded from a poorly lit part of your anatomy. How on earth did you draw that conclusion? Your &#8216;symbiotic parasite&#8217; theory (4.9% etc) likewise. Puts Act, the Maori Party and the Mr Dunne Party in a bad light and casts them in a remora-like role with National, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Gulag Archipelago</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524325</link>
		<dc:creator>Gulag Archipelago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ten years prison for criticising the Green Party. Welcome to the gulag.</description>
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		<title>By: Sonny Blount</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524294</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny Blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#  greenfly (125) Vote: Add rating 1  Subtract rating 4   Says:
January 12th, 2009 at 1:02 pm


BTW - you are wrong about the relationship between plants and greenfly - they are symbiotic, when all the other players (ladybirds, ichneuman wasps etc. ) are taken into account.

You have failed to understand the point. A symbiotic parasite-host relationship requires that the parasite remains in low numbers for either to survive (about 4.9% of voters is ideal for the green party, anything over this amount is bad for the country).


Patrick - you’re hearing things! (it’s all inside your head - I only say that because .. pigs don’t fly, yet you hear them …)
slightlyrightly -

What a dull, pointless response for someone who has told us all how smart he is before.


“People want to buy energy efficient products given the choice”
“People will choose the best option for them”
Your two statements are contradictory and so is your justification for letting the market decide. It will swing one way or another for reasons other than those proposed in the UK. 

You must have had another logic failure if you see these statements as contradictory. He is saying that people will make a choice based on their perceived value (price, quality, style, efficiency, longevity) and that if the other factors are close enough, people will choose a more efficient product over a less efficient product.

If people were making purchasing choices because of the state of the environment, we wouldn’t be in the situation we are now, would we.

Now you displaying a common type of Green arrogance. People are making choices based on the state of the environment and that is why we are in the situation we are in now, which is ok.  A classic example of environmental influence on consumer choice is the car, which was a very popular option compared to dumping 100,000kgs of horse manure every day on the streets of London alone. 

Don&#039;t forget, only 9% of people agree with your assessment of the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  greenfly (125) Vote: Add rating 1  Subtract rating 4   Says:<br />
January 12th, 2009 at 1:02 pm</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; you are wrong about the relationship between plants and greenfly &#8211; they are symbiotic, when all the other players (ladybirds, ichneuman wasps etc. ) are taken into account.</p>
<p>You have failed to understand the point. A symbiotic parasite-host relationship requires that the parasite remains in low numbers for either to survive (about 4.9% of voters is ideal for the green party, anything over this amount is bad for the country).</p>
<p>Patrick &#8211; you’re hearing things! (it’s all inside your head &#8211; I only say that because .. pigs don’t fly, yet you hear them …)<br />
slightlyrightly -</p>
<p>What a dull, pointless response for someone who has told us all how smart he is before.</p>
<p>“People want to buy energy efficient products given the choice”<br />
“People will choose the best option for them”<br />
Your two statements are contradictory and so is your justification for letting the market decide. It will swing one way or another for reasons other than those proposed in the UK. </p>
<p>You must have had another logic failure if you see these statements as contradictory. He is saying that people will make a choice based on their perceived value (price, quality, style, efficiency, longevity) and that if the other factors are close enough, people will choose a more efficient product over a less efficient product.</p>
<p>If people were making purchasing choices because of the state of the environment, we wouldn’t be in the situation we are now, would we.</p>
<p>Now you displaying a common type of Green arrogance. People are making choices based on the state of the environment and that is why we are in the situation we are in now, which is ok.  A classic example of environmental influence on consumer choice is the car, which was a very popular option compared to dumping 100,000kgs of horse manure every day on the streets of London alone. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget, only 9% of people agree with your assessment of the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: slightlyrighty</title>
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		<dc:creator>slightlyrighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thrash.

Out of curiosity, where did you shop??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thrash.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, where did you shop??</p>
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		<title>By: Thrash Cardiom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524266</link>
		<dc:creator>Thrash Cardiom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;big screen TVs do not take will to things like xbox’s,&lt;/i&gt;

Do not take well in what way?  It seems to cope well enough with the speed.  No artifacts etc or bblluurriinngg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>big screen TVs do not take will to things like xbox’s,</i></p>
<p>Do not take well in what way?  It seems to cope well enough with the speed.  No artifacts etc or bblluurriinngg.</p>
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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524256</link>
		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thrash Cardiom, have heard that big screen TVs do not take will to things like xbox&#039;s, it would probably pay to check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thrash Cardiom, have heard that big screen TVs do not take will to things like xbox&#8217;s, it would probably pay to check.</p>
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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524252</link>
		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing the Melons have been highly successful in banning, especially amongst themselves, common bloody sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing the Melons have been highly successful in banning, especially amongst themselves, common bloody sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Thrash Cardiom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524239</link>
		<dc:creator>Thrash Cardiom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Plasma TV gives a quantifiably better picture than the equivalent sized LCD at the same price.&lt;/i&gt;

We bought a new TV a few months ago.  The sales people were really pushing plasma screens.  In fact, they were pushing them so hard we thought they had probably been told to get rid of them ASAP which put us right off them. 

One problem with their sales pitch was that every plasma screen we looked at had a noticeably inferior picture when compared to the LCD screens that were all around them and this was on fast motion, slow motion, sports, relatively static scenes etc. They must have all been very badly adjusted.

We bought an 100mhz LCD with good contrast and are very happy with it.  It copes very well with an Xbox 360&#039;s output and the DVDs we watch look excellent.

And we use less power!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Plasma TV gives a quantifiably better picture than the equivalent sized LCD at the same price.</i></p>
<p>We bought a new TV a few months ago.  The sales people were really pushing plasma screens.  In fact, they were pushing them so hard we thought they had probably been told to get rid of them ASAP which put us right off them. </p>
<p>One problem with their sales pitch was that every plasma screen we looked at had a noticeably inferior picture when compared to the LCD screens that were all around them and this was on fast motion, slow motion, sports, relatively static scenes etc. They must have all been very badly adjusted.</p>
<p>We bought an 100mhz LCD with good contrast and are very happy with it.  It copes very well with an Xbox 360&#8242;s output and the DVDs we watch look excellent.</p>
<p>And we use less power!</p>
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		<title>By: Poliwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524231</link>
		<dc:creator>Poliwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, for the good old days coming back and all sorts of stuff gets banned.

I am looking forward to my next holiday in Fiji or Singapore where I will bring back two plasma TV&#039;s - one for me and the other to sell to pay for my trip.

And for those who were not around in the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s - that is the reality of it.

My goodness, but how could I be involved in burning all that extra fuel in that 777.  Oh the quandary those Greens give me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, for the good old days coming back and all sorts of stuff gets banned.</p>
<p>I am looking forward to my next holiday in Fiji or Singapore where I will bring back two plasma TV&#8217;s &#8211; one for me and the other to sell to pay for my trip.</p>
<p>And for those who were not around in the 60&#8242;s and 70&#8242;s &#8211; that is the reality of it.</p>
<p>My goodness, but how could I be involved in burning all that extra fuel in that 777.  Oh the quandary those Greens give me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524222</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for banning plasma TVs. Nothing to do with the environment, but they&#039;ve overtaken cars as the new penis substitutes.

If I hear another conversation along the lines of &quot;Oh, you&#039;ve only got a 42 inch? Well &lt;i&gt;I&#039;ve&lt;/i&gt; got a &lt;i&gt;fifty&lt;/i&gt; two inch&quot;, I&#039;m going to puke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for banning plasma TVs. Nothing to do with the environment, but they&#8217;ve overtaken cars as the new penis substitutes.</p>
<p>If I hear another conversation along the lines of &#8220;Oh, you&#8217;ve only got a 42 inch? Well <i>I&#8217;ve</i> got a <i>fifty</i> two inch&#8221;, I&#8217;m going to puke.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524221</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bar of soap tossed into the room is like a grenade going off at a greenie meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bar of soap tossed into the room is like a grenade going off at a greenie meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524207</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve written on this over at kiwipolitico. Happy reading kiwi bloggers! :-)

http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2009/01/nats-give-thumbs-down-to-energy-efficiency/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written on this over at kiwipolitico. Happy reading kiwi bloggers! <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2009/01/nats-give-thumbs-down-to-energy-efficiency/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2009/01/nats-give-thumbs-down-to-energy-efficiency/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rakaia George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524185</link>
		<dc:creator>Rakaia George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David @ 1.21.

Soapy water is quite effective at removing greenfly - it seems to have a good deterent effect on other types of greenies too. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David @ 1.21.</p>
<p>Soapy water is quite effective at removing greenfly &#8211; it seems to have a good deterent effect on other types of greenies too. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: slightlyrighty</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524182</link>
		<dc:creator>slightlyrighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way Greenfly, in the paper today (dompost) is the story that every google search you make consumes enough energy to boil a kettle of water twice!

GOOGLE MUST BE BANNED!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way Greenfly, in the paper today (dompost) is the story that every google search you make consumes enough energy to boil a kettle of water twice!</p>
<p>GOOGLE MUST BE BANNED!!!</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524181</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>getstaffed

The Greens do not want to ban free speech just the speech they do not agree with.

You would still be allowed to be racist, defamatory, and hateful just as long as you were doing it in a politically correct fashion or in support of a left wing or socialist/communist/terrorist group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>getstaffed</p>
<p>The Greens do not want to ban free speech just the speech they do not agree with.</p>
<p>You would still be allowed to be racist, defamatory, and hateful just as long as you were doing it in a politically correct fashion or in support of a left wing or socialist/communist/terrorist group.</p>
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		<title>By: ThinkBig</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThinkBig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an owner of an LCD TV, I can either run it at full bore, severely limiting the life of my screen, or I can run it with a lower backlight setting and upping things like contrast and picture brightness without cranking up the backlight. I suspect that if I ran it at its most vivid setting, it would be just as hungry as a Plasma.

However, keep this in perspective: the energy-hungry nature of Plasma means that many manufacturers built an energy saving mode into their plasma screens. SlightlyRighty is right, as LCDs increase their contrast levels, plasma will be moved aside by market forces. Eventually OLED will (hopefully) make its way onto the market and the energy savings will be even better. This is the great thing about competition - technology improves if there is a demand for it.

If consumers want energy efficient TVs, they will buy them. But I&#039;m more disturbed about the Greens wanting to ban something so symbolic of our consumer demand at a time when we need that demand more than ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an owner of an LCD TV, I can either run it at full bore, severely limiting the life of my screen, or I can run it with a lower backlight setting and upping things like contrast and picture brightness without cranking up the backlight. I suspect that if I ran it at its most vivid setting, it would be just as hungry as a Plasma.</p>
<p>However, keep this in perspective: the energy-hungry nature of Plasma means that many manufacturers built an energy saving mode into their plasma screens. SlightlyRighty is right, as LCDs increase their contrast levels, plasma will be moved aside by market forces. Eventually OLED will (hopefully) make its way onto the market and the energy savings will be even better. This is the great thing about competition &#8211; technology improves if there is a demand for it.</p>
<p>If consumers want energy efficient TVs, they will buy them. But I&#8217;m more disturbed about the Greens wanting to ban something so symbolic of our consumer demand at a time when we need that demand more than ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/plasma_tvs_also_on_greens_ban_list.html#comment-524175</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone mention to the greens that were tossed out on their asses?

Who givers a crap what they want banned, they&#039;re as relevant as John Minto this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone mention to the greens that were tossed out on their asses?</p>
<p>Who givers a crap what they want banned, they&#8217;re as relevant as John Minto this week.</p>
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