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		<title>By: Zippy Gonzales</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/the_great_australian_firewall.html#comment-521591</link>
		<dc:creator>Zippy Gonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a Habit-Proof Fence.</description>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/the_great_australian_firewall.html#comment-521562</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like some consultancies are going to ream the AU government so hard they&#039;ll wake up with a massive hangover, no wallet and a vague recollection someone said they&#039;d call them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like some consultancies are going to ream the AU government so hard they&#8217;ll wake up with a massive hangover, no wallet and a vague recollection someone said they&#8217;d call them.</p>
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		<title>By: joeAverage</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/the_great_australian_firewall.html#comment-521536</link>
		<dc:creator>joeAverage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REDTUBE  opps youtube is a good site  :) got to stop thoughts  um thoughts naughty boy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REDTUBE  opps youtube is a good site  <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  got to stop thoughts  um thoughts naughty boy</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the filter system they have in Cuba. 

Message to Rudd; Dont fidel wit the net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the filter system they have in Cuba. </p>
<p>Message to Rudd; Dont fidel wit the net</p>
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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/the_great_australian_firewall.html#comment-521521</link>
		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if the Aussies rein in the IS P&#039;s what will come next, filters on political blogs, filters on opposition websites. Sounds like a very dangerous idea to me. Just imagine if the NZ Liarbore party had the ability to filter out all websites except arse licking ones like the Standard. LEAVE THE NET ALONE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if the Aussies rein in the IS P&#8217;s what will come next, filters on political blogs, filters on opposition websites. Sounds like a very dangerous idea to me. Just imagine if the NZ Liarbore party had the ability to filter out all websites except arse licking ones like the Standard. LEAVE THE NET ALONE.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/the_great_australian_firewall.html#comment-521517</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;At least the Ozzies are trying to do something to protect the weak and young, to reply on parents sadly is a lottery at best.&lt;/i&gt;

Daft beyond belief.  It will be as successful as the war on drugs.  Relying on parents might be a lottery, but relying on the Government is a dead cert loss.  Heaps of bureaucrats and contractors will get fat and happy, taxes will rise and in twenty years time the &quot;problem&quot; will be an order of magnitude bigger than it is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At least the Ozzies are trying to do something to protect the weak and young, to reply on parents sadly is a lottery at best.</i></p>
<p>Daft beyond belief.  It will be as successful as the war on drugs.  Relying on parents might be a lottery, but relying on the Government is a dead cert loss.  Heaps of bureaucrats and contractors will get fat and happy, taxes will rise and in twenty years time the &#8220;problem&#8221; will be an order of magnitude bigger than it is now.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swampash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most concise and coherent arguments against this (retarded) policy that I have found are contained within correspondence between Mark Newton (network engineer at Aussie ISP Internode) and his local MP Kate Ellis. Newton has posted his correspondence online to assist in discussion.

First letter:
http://users.on.net/~newton/ellis-2008-10-20.pdf

Second letter:
http://users.on.net/~newton/ellis-2008-11-17.pdf

Believe it or not, the Australian Labor Government &quot;leant on&quot; Internode when Newton&#039;s arguments became public. Hell hath no fury like a Nanny State resisted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most concise and coherent arguments against this (retarded) policy that I have found are contained within correspondence between Mark Newton (network engineer at Aussie ISP Internode) and his local MP Kate Ellis. Newton has posted his correspondence online to assist in discussion.</p>
<p>First letter:<br />
<a href="http://users.on.net/~newton/ellis-2008-10-20.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://users.on.net/~newton/ellis-2008-10-20.pdf</a></p>
<p>Second letter:<br />
<a href="http://users.on.net/~newton/ellis-2008-11-17.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://users.on.net/~newton/ellis-2008-11-17.pdf</a></p>
<p>Believe it or not, the Australian Labor Government &#8220;leant on&#8221; Internode when Newton&#8217;s arguments became public. Hell hath no fury like a Nanny State resisted.</p>
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		<title>By: Don the Kiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don the Kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on Telstra Clear for blocking porn sites. They - the porn sites -are a symbol and a tool of our society&#039;s degradation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on Telstra Clear for blocking porn sites. They &#8211; the porn sites -are a symbol and a tool of our society&#8217;s degradation.</p>
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		<title>By: thomasbeagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomasbeagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are people getting upset about the Australians doing it when the NZ Government is already sneaking it in here? http://www.stuff.co.nz/4613287a6479.html

Of course, that&#039;s only for child pornography. For now.

[DPF: I have no problems with ISPs choosing to block out known child porn sites, as they are illegal under NZ law. Sure it can be argued thin end of the wedge, but a long long way removed from what Australia is doing]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are people getting upset about the Australians doing it when the NZ Government is already sneaking it in here? <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4613287a6479.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/4613287a6479.html</a></p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s only for child pornography. For now.</p>
<p>[DPF: I have no problems with ISPs choosing to block out known child porn sites, as they are illegal under NZ law. Sure it can be argued thin end of the wedge, but a long long way removed from what Australia is doing]</p>
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		<title>By: Whaleoil</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/the_great_australian_firewall.html#comment-521463</link>
		<dc:creator>Whaleoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that the sound of black helicopters I can hear?</description>
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		<title>By: jastowns</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/the_great_australian_firewall.html#comment-521457</link>
		<dc:creator>jastowns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the NZ government has imposed new terror laws on us with false info 
if you think new laws which take away our rights based on bullshit dose not effect you think again,this info should be plastered all over the beehive why isn&#039;t it happening</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the NZ government has imposed new terror laws on us with false info<br />
if you think new laws which take away our rights based on bullshit dose not effect you think again,this info should be plastered all over the beehive why isn&#8217;t it happening</p>
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		<title>By: Turpin</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/01/the_great_australian_firewall.html#comment-521454</link>
		<dc:creator>Turpin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to the link Jastowns and all it had was a debunking of the 911 report.
What&#039;s that got to do with the NZ government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to the link Jastowns and all it had was a debunking of the 911 report.<br />
What&#8217;s that got to do with the NZ government?</p>
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		<title>By: jastowns</title>
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		<dc:creator>jastowns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the ozzy government wants to hide information from the masses 
here is some info that the NZ government wants to hide from you
http://www.infowars.com/?p=6917</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ozzy government wants to hide information from the masses<br />
here is some info that the NZ government wants to hide from you<br />
<a href="http://www.infowars.com/?p=6917" rel="nofollow">http://www.infowars.com/?p=6917</a></p>
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		<title>By: Turpin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turpin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alan
This is one of those cases that if we weren&#039;t so risk adverse and we all shared the same common values and common sense, most people would have the Life Skills you mention.

At least the Ozzies are trying to do something to protect the weak and young, to reply on parents sadly is a lottery at best.

I&#039;m reminded of the film Minority Report, where they burst in on the bad guys and nab them before they do the deed.
Would that happen to the pornographers and such like who deliberately stake out turf they know young people will go into. 

Which brings me to our MP&#039;s that DPF lauds and especially his hero Prime Minister John Key.
Methinks in good old safe green Kiwiland, they would nail every one of us (including all the decent ordinary Kiwi parents)  instead of the bad guys and tell us it was to stop child (net ) abuse!

But then as the Ozzies will find out, legislation and governments are a blunt instrument at best and there are areas they should keep their grubby fingers out of, like family life, except the bad guys of course :-)

Do no harm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan<br />
This is one of those cases that if we weren&#8217;t so risk adverse and we all shared the same common values and common sense, most people would have the Life Skills you mention.</p>
<p>At least the Ozzies are trying to do something to protect the weak and young, to reply on parents sadly is a lottery at best.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the film Minority Report, where they burst in on the bad guys and nab them before they do the deed.<br />
Would that happen to the pornographers and such like who deliberately stake out turf they know young people will go into. </p>
<p>Which brings me to our MP&#8217;s that DPF lauds and especially his hero Prime Minister John Key.<br />
Methinks in good old safe green Kiwiland, they would nail every one of us (including all the decent ordinary Kiwi parents)  instead of the bad guys and tell us it was to stop child (net ) abuse!</p>
<p>But then as the Ozzies will find out, legislation and governments are a blunt instrument at best and there are areas they should keep their grubby fingers out of, like family life, except the bad guys of course <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Do no harm!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of Tim Shadbolt&#039;s remark from his concrete-laying days when he was called to replace a driveway because it had a crack in it: they didn&#039;t need a concrete-layer, they needed a psychiatrist.

Likewise the &quot;net unsafe&quot; neurotics.  Teach life-skills.  Life doesn&#039;t come with a firewall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of Tim Shadbolt&#8217;s remark from his concrete-laying days when he was called to replace a driveway because it had a crack in it: they didn&#8217;t need a concrete-layer, they needed a psychiatrist.</p>
<p>Likewise the &#8220;net unsafe&#8221; neurotics.  Teach life-skills.  Life doesn&#8217;t come with a firewall.</p>
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