Bye Bye Barry

February 18th, 2009 at 7:12 am by David Farrar

The Auditor General’s report into how the Department manages is a shocker:

My staff looked at how the Department managed offenders released on parole. We chose 100 offender case files in the four areas we visited to assess whether probation officers and other staff were managing offenders in keeping with the Department’s requirements. We deliberately included 52 offenders considered to pose a high risk to the public.

In most of those 100 case files, the Department had not followed one or more of its own sentence management requirements. Five of the requirements that my staff checked are the most important, in my view, for keeping the public safe, and one or more of these five requirements had not been followed in most of the 100 cases. There were several cases, some of which I have included in my report, where the Department had not completed important sentence management requirements at each stage of an offender’s parole, and we concluded that the Department was not managing these cases adequately.

They are damning words, coming from the . Equally damning was the response of Minister Judith Collins:

Corrections Minister today asked the State Services Commissioner to establish who is accountable for serious failings identified by the Auditor-General’s report into the management of offenders on parole. …

“I have today asked the State Services Commissioner to work with Corrections Chief Executive to establish who is accountable for the deficiencies identified in the report and what should be done to restore public confidence.”

Ms Collins has asked the Commissioner to report back within 10 working days.

This is about as subtle as John Cleese. I mean you do not need to run a competition to guess who the State Services Commissioner will find is responsible for management failings in the Department. This must qualify as the most unsubtle ever request to SSC to remove a CEO. But not wihout considerable merit – the OAG report is damning, and the mistakes in this area do and have cost lives.

The Herald reports that Corrections CEO faces the axe:

Barry Matthews’ future as head of Corrections is in serious question, after his Minister Judith Collins pointedly refused to express confidence in him yesterday. …

Ms Collins would say only: “I have confidence Mr Matthews understands exactly just how seriously I am viewing this issue.”

Again, you don’t exactly need a PhD in Politics to read between the lines here.

John Armstrong comments:

Wielding a calculated, but ruthless combination of raw power and tactical guile, Corrections Minister Judith “Crusher” Collins has torn up the public service rulebook and effectively engineered the sacking of her departmental chief executive.

Technically, she cannot fire Barry Matthews, the long-suffering head of the problem-plagued Corrections Department. But “technically” is not a word in this Collins’ dictionary.

Indeed.

But regardless of this, Matthews’ resignation letter should have been on the desk of State Services Commissioner Iain Rennie yesterday, so damning was the Auditor-General’s report on Corrections’ management of its parole responsibilities. …

The report shows the department failing to follow its own procedures in monitoring potentially dangerous prisoners on parole – procedures tightened after the murder of Lower Hutt father-of-two Karl Kuchenbecker by Graeme Burton in January 2007.

This is the scary thing. The audit was done after the Burton fiasco, and was meant to measure the new improved processes in place.

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53 Responses to “Bye Bye Barry”

  1. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    It will be good to witness some pending action by the new National/ACT Government.

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  2. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    What a breath of fresh air ….. somewhat different from what was and would have remained so with Labour in power.

    Memo to Police Commissioner … don’t mess with ‘Crusher’.

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  3. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    will be interesting watching the ssc squirm over the next few days. what are the odds they have to admit that their own accountability systems arent good enough to have noticed that a number of CEOs have been asleep at the wheel?

    guess they are better at inventing IT “cures” for problems that don’t exist, and policing “diversity”, than the core business of managing chief executive performance?

    on the other hand, if it comes to a choice over whose arse is on the line …

    bye barry, its been fun.

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  4. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    Collins has made a number of sour and purse-lipped pronouncements, but has yet to do anything.

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  5. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    hey my last comment says its in moderation! am i on a watchlist? cool, i must be a threat to the system!

    :)

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  6. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    you mean other than not declare confidence, and order the SSC to report on accountability within 10 days eh greenfly?

    perhaps those of us who rely on the corrections department to:

    1. keep dangerous criminals under control
    2. obey the law and procedures around probation of said dangerous criminals

    are the ones who should perhaps be feeling a bit sour and purse-lipped about the behaviour of the previous government in managing their responsibilities to us, the community that expects to be kept safe from dangerous criminals?

    not in your sad little world eh? I guess we forget, the idea is to call an inquiry and give it a short brief and a year to report back in.

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  7. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    former deity – is not declaring confidence doing something? Ordering a report sounds like action, but we’ve heard that before.

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  8. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Judith Collins tore up the rule book? As opposed to Barry who just used it for toilet paper and let kiwis get killed because he couldn’t be arsed doing the job we pay him for.

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  9. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    I remember the years of “Comission of inquiry” and “Reports” under the Green / Labour coalition. They were a bit like meetings in ineffectual offices. You know, the kind where there is no agenda, no time limit and a lot of self important people waffle on for hours whilst the ones doing the work are nodding off with boredom?

    You could have predicted the outcomes of those “Reports” organised by the Greens and Labour. “Nobody at fault“, “No evidence of wrongdoing“. It was pure pork as those two parties covered their asses so they could stay in power.

    It’s good to see a more pro-active approach. 10 working days to respond. Clear indication of what the consequences are. This is the way a meeting should be run. I’d bet that 10 days from now there are results!

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  10. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    so on one hand greenfly screams about due process, on the other if the minister isn’t personally leading the lynch mob she’s inactive.

    hmm, logic isnt really one of its strong suites is it?

    the experience we have is the previous government ordering “inquiries” that are so constrained they cant investigate anything, and are so long in the future that we will have hopefully forgotten about it – the Philip Field inquiry for example.

    notice the difference? no wouldnt expect someone with the brains of a fruitfly to.

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  11. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    So Matthews won’t just fine himself a percentage of his bonus, like he would have if Labour had still been running things?

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  12. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    deity – I agree with you. “Due process’ is really getting in the way of this NActional government. Their approach of subverting or ignoring due process is fast becoming their modus operandi and they’ll be remembered for it. And yes, I do notice the difference.

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  13. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    Of course in days gone by, any respectable leader would have fallen on his/her sword a long time ago. How sad that senior public servants who are also labour party appointments/supporters have gotten so used to having no accountability whatsoever. Matthews has proven to be a man of little or no character which is probably the main reason he demonstrates complete business incompetence. Clearly his staff have not seen him as a leader and the fact he thinks he has done nothing wrong shows that his staff are right.

    Witness also the head of the Otago DHB as example 2. 17 million stolen during his watch but not his fault. I agree it wasn’t his fault, he didn’t steal the money but geez man, you were the boss, it was your responsibility. Stop crying.

    And I am more convinced than ever that greenfly is a fake, posting purely to raise heckles and get bites. No one in their right mind can actually have the opinions greenfly has, or see the world the way he/she/it pretends to see it.

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  14. bobux (349 comments) says:

    This will no doubt bring a hail of disapproval, but I have some sympathy for Barry Matthews. Never met the guy, but others I know say he is diligent and sensible. Matthews would probably have been fine as CEO of any other mid-sized government dept.

    What National are about to find out is that the Corrections Dept is entirely dysfunctional, and changing the CEO isn’t going to have much immediate effect. Turning things around will take time, patience, and money. A key problem is that not many people actually choose to spend their time supervising locked up criminals, so the quality of staff is very very poor. And given the dire reputation Corrections has gained over tme, the only way a new CEO will be able to attract quality staff is by paying them more than they would get elsewhere. And that will conflict with National’s austerity programme.

    Judith Collins will find that getting rid of Matthews was the easy bit. But once he is gone, then what?

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  15. longbow (118 comments) says:

    isn’t this Barry the same guy who was project manager of the $180 million police computer system that does nothing in the end?

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  16. wreck1080 (3,924 comments) says:

    In a normal world, he should have demanded a budget increase or resign. However, in a greedy world I’d suspect barry matthews was quite happy to receive his probably not insignificant salary.

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  17. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    I nominate greenfly for fuckwit of the week.

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  18. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    National should replace Key with Collins.

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  19. beanee (17 comments) says:

    I’m in no way defending Barry Mathews; I don’t know the man and I have no experience in the corrections system (……yet).

    But I’m thinking he’s on a hiding to nothing. Corrections are asked to provide a balance between public safety and “justice” and get the pollies putting their 2 cents in every 5 minutes on what’s expected – and under the last Liarbour government that meant that everyone was meant to be put out on the street earlier rather than later in their sentences. It’s going to take time to change their (Corrections) mentality to be harder on parole.

    As I said, I’m not defending him – I’d much rather that everything was tightened up and a sentence was just that. If you get a 5 year term, you serve 5 years, not out on parole in a couple. If you make everything black and white then it takes all emotions out of it and we won’t be in the position we are now with Mr Mathews and Corrections.

    [Apologies if this looks like I'm rambling on a bit]

    [DPF: Corrections can be a nightmare job. But in this case the report shows almost all the staff were not following their own policies and procedures. That is dysfunctional]

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  20. calendar girl (1,244 comments) says:

    davidp: “So Matthews won’t just fine himself a percentage of his bonus, like he would have if Labour had still been running things?” Thanks for reminding us of that Alice in Wonderland gem, David!

    bobux: “Judith Collins will find that getting rid of Matthews was the easy bit. But once he is gone, then what?”

    A good starting point might be leadership with some proven ability in strategic planning – i.e. working with stakeholders, managers and staff input to define the Department’s role, resources, perfomance levels, monitoring criteria, key improvement projects (with accountabilities and deadlines), and sensible milestones along the road to becoming an organisation of recognised excellence within a 3-year period.

    It’s not rocket science, and it’s far, far more effective than simply throwing unlimited money at a problem. Why do members of the public take such a negative approach to what is a commom problem that most successful businesses have faced and beaten at some time or other? (And please don’t give me the apologetic hogwash that “Corrections is not a business, it’s a ‘public service'”, and therefore conveniently excused from normal stakeholder expectations of organisational motivation, performance standards, sound governance and planned outcomes.)

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  21. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    How can things actually be this bad in a government department, apart from either a planned rort on the part of its employees, i.e. to turn up to work (if that) every day and actually do nothing; OR as a deliberate plot, possibly motivated by cultural self-loathing, to endanger society?

    I’m sorry, “incompetence” is just not a plausible explanation.

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  22. big bruv (13,935 comments) says:

    Working on the basis that I should applaud the good things that the Nat’s have done as well as having a crack at the bad I think that they (the Nat’s) should be praised for taking the first steps toward getting rid of Matthews.

    They should also be applauded for engineering the demise of the thoroughly useless Cindy Kiro.

    Next on the hit list should be Howard Broad and his PC appointed female deputy, I never want to see a non sworn police officer in the position of deputy again.

    [DPF: The Commissioner and Deputies can only be sacked by the Governor-General, not the SSC]

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  23. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    There are a number of fine officers in Corrections who simply threw in the towel because they felt they were getting zero, zip, no support in trying to enforce discipline/standards from Head Office management beholden to the PC Brigade.

    And the result is a Department and culture focused on the soft options. Live and let live and if we have to give a little its a small price to pay for peace and quiet. Problem is there is no peace and quite as the inmates push for more with parts of some prisons becoming virtual no go areas for prison staff.

    And all this per courtesy of Barry Matthews and a previous Labour minister rended neuter by do-gooders.

    I suspect ‘Crusher’ has long figured this out and the report gives her the the ability to implement real change.

    BTW … how many of you heard Pontius Cosgrove on National Radio this morning and his whinging comment that the buck stopped with the Minister. Well Clayton’s Clayton I have news for you … it ALL happened under YOUR watch so are YOU going to accept responsibility and resign? …. and I also hear the Pope is taking instruction in the Protestant faith.

    Clayton Cosgrove makes Juidith Tizard appear saintly.

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  24. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Holy shit – when I saw the item heading … “bye bye Barry” I thought Id been barred.

    “Who am I going to throw insults and my venom at now ?” I thought. But then I realised that I was opening mouth before brain was in gear.

    It was another barry………

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  25. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    Thanks Murray, but I just feel I can’t accept your kind nomination. Keep me in mind for another day though won’t you.

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  26. baxter (893 comments) says:

    The problem seems to be that a CEO appointed by Liabour are unsuited to the change in philosophy of the new Goverment. When CLARK took over she was faced with the same problem and resolved in by the underhand methods that came so easily to her to get rid of Police Commissioner DOONE and WINZ chief Christine RANKIN to name but two. She then replaced them with her own stooges.
    MATHEWS is not the man I would put in charge of Corrections but I have some sympathy for him. He has to run the show without resort to solitary confinement as a punishment for bad behaviour, that has been ruled out by stupid Judges. Indeed he is not even permitted to allow the feelings of convicts to be hurt. It is difficult to imagine how any control can be excercised over prisoners, no wonder those in charge of them want to release them under any pretext. He has to cope with all sorts of dogooders and Libertarian types having the right to undermine him. The undermining of warden authority has led to widespread corruption. The convicts have all sorts of rights, the wardens very few.
    COLLINS is right to get rid of MATHEWS but the man that replaces him must not have to govern under the hindrances placed on MATHEWS….There was a time when those sent to prison lost their civil rights and that is what we need to return to.

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  27. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    greenfly’s “holier than thou” pontifications are becoming nauseating. Keeping Stock has posted frequently over the last 18 months about fiascos in Corrections, and the lack of leadership or accountability from Barry Matthews. We have oft opined that he had a Get Out of Jail Free card. It would appear that when he tried to play his GOOJF card to Judith Collins, she reminded him that it expired on 8 November 2008.

    Matthews’ department has been directly responsible for the deaths of at least two innocent people. The release of the A-G’s report yesterday indicates that nothing much has changed. Judith Collins is absolutely justified in her call for accountability, a quality sadly lacking in the previous adminsitration.

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  28. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    Halcyon days for rightie pundits indeed: public service sackings, Govt. department downsizings…

    If Collins is so certain that Corrections’ problems are all down to a useless CEO who needs to get the bullet, then it seems rather ignoble of her to get the SSC to do her dirty work like this. Sure she can’t outright sack him. But isn’t she big enough to have words with him herself?

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  29. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    The system is rotten from political interference and accordingly Mathews will never win.
    Corrections wants breaking down into smaller areas of reponsibility and parliament needs to allow them the tools they need to do the job.
    e.g. why do NZ prisons not use leg irons?
    Many will recall a certain gun dealer from Christchurch, in jail in USA, appearing for an interview by our tv. He was both in leg and arm irons.
    Why can’t we do that here.
    Instead of blaming the man, which is what most managers and politicians do, do why don’t we fix the system?
    Collins in my opinion hasn’t a bloody clue and is a headline maker with no substance.

    Ryall is showing a little more nonce only in so much as he has made a point with the sacking of Thompson. The point being that while the fraud was not committed on his watch he did nothing to remove those that should have been accountable. i.e. the CFO and the CEO.
    Major error especially with the CFO. He was responsible for the money.

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  30. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    Viking – after the Liam Ashley and Kark Kuchenbacker murders, Matthews was kept on to implement the changes that had been recommended. The A-G’s reports shows that by-and-large, nothing has changed. Matthews is directly responsible for that, and should have been writing a resignation letter the moment the A-G’s report became public.

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  31. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Labour will no doubt go into a tailspin in the debating chamber if Matthews gets punted.
    I just hope Judith Collins responds;

    “I have no blood on my hands”,

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  32. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    Those watching Parliament today would have seen ‘Crusher’ skewer Goff to the point where he put down and sat down.

    In fact he looked like a first year who had just peed his pants.

    Pathetic.

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  33. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    deity previously known as –
    so on one hand greenfly screams about due process – I think it’s worth following Nigel, don’t you?

    “on the other if the minister isn’t personally leading the lynch mob she’s inactive” I don’t believe she’s inactive – she’s certainly blowing hard about boy racers and the Corrections Department, but I see a pattern (with her and with Key) – procrastination. Big talk, no follow up. We’ll see.

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  34. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    “Big talk, no follow up. We’ll see.”

    We will indeed see greenfly – we’ll see how long it takes Barry Matthews to understand that his Minister has no confidence in him, and that his position is untenable. Then we’ll see how long it takes him to do the honourable thing, and tender his resignation.

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  35. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    beanee suggests:

    I’m in no way defending Barry Mathews; I don’t know the man and I have no experience in the corrections system (……yet).

    But I’m thinking he’s on a hiding to nothing.

    While managing Corrections is no walk in the park, Matthews has a less than sterling record whereever he’s gone (can you tell I’m choosing my words carefully here, so as not to land DPF with a lawsuit…?)

    His tenure as WA Police Commissioner was an unmitigated disaster, with a string of Keystone Kops mistakes too long to list here. One I particularly remember was the young man offered “witness protection” of such a high standard that it was blown when someone happened to be researching Elvis online! (The unfortunate young man was given the surname Parker, the same as Elvis’s manager… somehow his new identity was made publicly accessible. He’s now dead).

    Matthews’ relationship even with the Police union was a mess (negotiations broke down so badly officers were refusing to work and Matthews had to resort to ordering them to do so).

    More tellingly still, his relationship with his Minsiter quickly fell apart, as Matthews himself reflected when talking to the NZ “Police News” in 2004:

    The relationship with the new Minister [Michelle Roberts] was difficult,” Matthews admits. “I think I could have achieved a lot more but for the difficult relationship…

    I think the closest he ever got to a compliment was the ABC asking “Does mediocre police service make Barry Matthews a mediocre police commissioner?”.

    He was, in short, the worst Police Commissioner in living memory in WA – and that’s saying something in the “wild west”. It seems now, having damaged goodness knows how many lives as first a NZ Police officer, then WA Commissioner, now head of NZ Corrections, someone will finally hold him to account.

    But the politicians (and, no doubt, highly paid HR consultants) who wilfully refused to see what an accident-waiting-to-happen Matthews is, and appointed him to such a sensitive role deserve to be stripped of their office also.

    Matt Robson couldn’t wait to welcome him, I see, and as recently as September last year Damien O’Connor was calling Matthews “a respected chief executive” even though he’d had to personally call for an investigation into aspects of corruption in the Department when Matthews refused to do so (and boy does that echo his time in WA).

    Just what the hell was Labour thinking when they appointed this clown?

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  36. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    Excellent contribution Rex, but I suspect that it will be entirely wasted upon our friend greenfly, who seems to want nothing more than to make political capital out of Judith Collins’ response to Matthews’ chronic ineptitude.

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  37. georgebolwing (870 comments) says:

    While I think Mathews should do the honourable thing and resign, there is no tradition of this in the NZ public sector (remember Cave Creek?).

    The SSC is stuck, like all other employers, with the ERA. To be dismissed, Mathews has to have all the procedural fairness that applies to everyone else: Clear breach of employment conditions, first warning, second warning, etc etc.

    Chris Rankin even got to have a court hearing after the department she headed as abolished!!

    So if he wants to fight, Mathews can at least delay the matter. This is especially as the SSC will not do what most other employers do in these circumstances and get the cheque book out.

    I much prefer the system of appointments that applies in the Australian federal public service: the PM appoints Secretaries of Departments, following a report from the head of the PM’s Department. The later requirement places some limits of purely political appointments. The NZ approach of making the appointment process so merit-based doesn’t seem to add much, and certainly costs a lot in terms of time when appointing and disappointing people.

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  38. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    greenfly … clearly you don’t know ‘Crusher’ and she is probably better off for that.

    If you make the mistake that she is a clone of your socialist mates; all piss and wind, then you are in for a BIG shock.

    And so is the Corrections Department.

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  39. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    Yeah Greenfly, you’re a socialist. You dirty socialist…

    Endgame in any Kiwiblog debate.

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  40. johnbt (90 comments) says:

    Nary a week passes without some cockup at Corrections. If this man had not had the “confidence” of HC he would have been long gone. The incompetence has been unfreakingbelievable. Good bloody riddence to the dickhead, I say.
    Some of those cockups ended with dead bodies. But Matthews had no blood on his hands. How many more bodies do we need?

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  41. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    Take one step forward all those who work in the real ie money making world and notice that lack of performance tends to lead to getting it fixed or if the person cannot get it fixed they need to move sideways, downwards or outwards.

    Greenfly – who told you you could take one step forward!! Back in your box

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  42. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    Ross Miller said: “greenfly … clearly you don’t know ‘Crusher’ and she is probably better off for that”
    That’s true Ross, I don’t know her at all and she probably is (actually, I have met her but we didn’t hit it off).
    I’m amazed how many commentors here do know Barry Matthews and his abilities! Incredible. He has such a wide range of associates. Again, I don’t know him (must get out more). Clearly, he’s incompetent, I read so many of you say so! No need for an enquiry here! Collins will simply crush him! That’s the way! Be all over in a couple of days, max, if we know ‘Crusher’, eh lads!

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  43. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Greenfly:

    Refer to my post above, follow the links (which are only a handful of those I could post, since otherwise I’ll wallow in moderation till DPF thinks to clean it out) and then come back and tell us how competent Matthews is.

    I have some concerns about Collins’ attitudes in some parts of her portfolio, but you invite derision if you come here and defend the indefensible just to try to position the Minister as over zealous in this instance. There may be times in future that she deserves the allegation, but this isn’t one of them.

    Matthews is the modern day equivalent of those generals who presided over a slaughter in the Boer War, got another chance to screw it up in WWI and then expected not to be blamed for a third cock up in WWII, brought about by their inability to learn from their mistakes.

    In fact one might say that, after the NZ Police and the WA Police, this is Matthews’ third strike.

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  44. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    Rex – I read your post – you express some very strong points. You’ve jumped the gun though – I’ve not ‘told you how competent Matthews is’ (feel free to paste in my comments if you see things differently). You don’t think Collins is being ‘overzealous’? Really? She looks that way to me, proclaiming this and that through gritted teeth and narrowed eyes. Purely a personal view of course. Nevertheless, she is appealing to those who like to slam-bam the baddies. There are hoards of them on this blog and judging by the poll that came out tonight, those hoards are to be found throughout the land. My feeling – Collins will have to taihoa and follow proper procedure, as anyone in her position should.

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  45. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    slijmbal – sooooo tempting to tease you about your name :-) Naturally, I won’t. I’m willing to bet I’m holding and have held down more jobs than you ever have my dear, and that they cover a greater range than any combination you care to offer. Proving it would be awkward, but I give you my word :-) Real world indeed (you chump!)

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  46. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Greenfly:

    I didn’t say you’d claimed Matthews was competent, just invited you to review his record and see if you’d reach the conclusion that Collins is wrong to be alarmed that someone with this history of incompetence is in charge of such a sensitive department.

    I’m all for due process… and criticised Tony Ryall for sacing the DHB chair over his predecessor’s errors… and the way Collins seems to cultivate, and revel in, the “Crusher” image makes me distinctly uneasy.

    But I’d equate finding Barry Matthews in charge of a Department like Corrections with opening your pantry door and finding a cockroach. Even though you know you’re not meant to step on them* your horror is such that you instinctively react by crushing it :-D

    * They have babies when you do, apparently. Not that I’m suggesting Mr Matthews will follow suit.

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  47. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    “I’m willing to bet I’m holding and have held down more jobs than you ever have my dear,”

    greenfly, is it really good bragging rights to claim you’ve had a lot of jobs?

    you’ve failed to clear the holster again -and foot in a bandage

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  48. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    Greenfly – VERY unlikely

    but if we need to see how much bigger my willie is than yours …….

    we can start with number of countries lived in, languages one can speak, number of times made redundant, number of times ran ones own company, number of company start-ups, industries worked in, quality of academic qualification, number of sports played, how many times lost and gained hundreds of thousands of dollars via enterprise , number of successful companies, number of international companies one has held a senior position in, income earned, current net worth, how many famous people one knows, how working class one’s family was, IQ, how many countries worked in …..

    but as the final clincher …. how many people dislike me because I’m a twat – I’ll give you that one – I cannot compete.

    I can provide info on all the above …. I’ve also driven in over 30 countries but didn’t think that would count :)

    Please bring it on as the black girl in the bad film says…….

    forgot to mention willie size – sorry pencil dick :) your mamma is so fat you’re still inside her womb ……

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  49. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    Greenfly – where are you?

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  50. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Greenfly – where are you?”

    Isn’t Roger Nome banned from Kiwiblog for two months for excessive demerits?

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  51. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    slim – in your overheated keenness to tell us about your ‘package’ (I could have sworn you were a woman!) you have misled yourself and forgotten that you posed a challenge to me to show that I was a working man,
    “Take one step forward all those who work in the real ie money making world..”
    “Greenfly – who told you you could take one step forward!! Back in your box” (hilarious btw!!)
    Just as you have no interest in my ‘work history’, (despite your wee jibes), I have none in yours :-)

    Patrick, my wee shadow, not bragging, just responding to a minor challenge and yes, I do think it is a good thing to have worked in industries etc. across the board. kinda gives you a broad view of the world and perhaps some understanding of the position of a wide range of people. Don’t you think!

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  52. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Fly. your indulgent ramblings mark you as having feck all experience across the board except perhaps lying across the boards of a bunk bed whilst positioning for …dont you think?

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  53. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    Greenfly – you said “I’m willing to bet I’m holding and have held down more jobs than you ever have my dear, and that they cover a greater range than any combination you care to offer.”

    you’re obviously not – so you are obviously telling porkies – thanks for proving my point

    mission accomplished

    mind telling us which WINZ office you frequent? I’ll send chocolates. Poor wee thing.

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