The confusion you seem to have on this post is that you’ve jumped in so quick you failed to realise Toad has admitted you dont need to understand climate change to be a Green leader- you just need to have blind passion to support the Greens doctrine

got them confused in the rush to comment.

Not unusual here: many of DPF’s commenters seem to be deeply confused about lots of things…

Dunno about that – in part the developed world has moved its resource depletion to developing countries, along with much of its polluting industries, so doing a count based on nation-states doesn’t work. The papers I’ve looked at on the subject seem to assess environmental impact by looking at things like atmospheric CO and heavy metals in water – which have immediate health effects and do get cleaned up when there’s money to do so. But they ignore CO2 and a whole lot of other pollutants.

I’m surprised to see China cited as good environmental managers given the difficulty I had breathing there (and the sandstorm that hit while I was in Tianamen Square), but if this is the case, shouldn’t people be supporting old Maoist Sue Bradford for the Greens leadership?

Note also the comments regarding his claims to be an “environmental scientist”, esp #22.

Try http://hot-topic.co.nz/everybodys-got-something-to-hide-except-for-me-and-my-rodney/

That’s because even the scientists cannot agree Toad, the Green place blind faith in those who they agree with and use all the usual left wing tactics against those who they disagree with.

I can’t be bothered arguing the science here Patrick – any rational scientific argument on climate change just gets submerged in abuse and allegations of socialist conspiracies by Redbaiter, gd, Murray etc.

Come over to Frogblog or Hot Topic if you want to argue the science.

as Rodney understands the science

He barely has time for politics, what with all that science he’s been doing for the past decade or so.

“A Marxist reads the books of Karl Marx. An anti-Marxist understands them.”

as Rodney understands the science

If I put my mind to it, I could get a degree in theology Clint. But it still wouldn’t make me religious.

And how to exploit such a ripe opportunity?

The nats if smart will be angling a green friendly minister to woo the useless commie leaning twats that are green voters before the next election by actually passing some contructive green policies (like labour didnt) and bury the greens for good.

Here’s a little heads up for all your leties panting at the prospect of Obama unravelling Bush’s foreign policy. Predictions:
1. Gitmo – Obama has symbolically said he will close it. After sending home a few less dangerous terrorists, after finding out that no other country will have the most vicious and dangerous ones and neither will any US State, County or City, Obama will keep a slimmed down version of Gitmo in place coming to the same conclusion as Bush – there’s nowhere else for this hard core to go.
2. Warrantless wiretaps of overseas calls – the Obama Administration has all but agreed to keep these in place. Remember when the laws were rewritten under Bush Obama actually voted for them!
3. Renditions – the latest regulations allow Obama enough wriggle room to continue these – his administration did not categorically rule them out as the anti war left had been demanding.
4. Enhanced interrogations (the technique that unearthed the 10 airline terrorism attack out of the UK) – again the new regulations state the Army Field Manual is the goal and again waterboarding has not been categorically ruled out.
5. Withdrawal from Iraq – Bush and Petraeus had signalled troop drawdowns as and when conditions on the ground warrant it – Obama has pretty much stuck with that approach.
6. Afganistan – Obama says he will INCREASE troops there thus escalating the war.

Now there will be differences. Obama will be more pro-Palestinian and less agressive with Iran, Russia and North Korea (all with negative outcomes in my opinion). But of course the worshipful Obama media will underplay these backdowns from Obama’s campaign rhetoric about shredding the Constitution and of course the left, who eviscerated Bush for these policies, will merely nod sagely and say how wise and nuanced the Messiah is.

Toad of course will be outraged and come on this blog and speak of Obama’s callous betrayal ……Not

Happy for you to get in touch and chat when I come over.
Or send me an email at ovationmark@optunet.com.au

I’m sure her masters in Chinese language came very useful when communicating with her evil overlords