They are practically daring Obama to respond. I think he will – the consequences of signalling weakness early in his presidency are serious. Giving Iran and North Korea license to play up is dangerous.
“the consequences of signalling weakness early in his presidency are serious.”
He’s already done plenty of such signalling, including not objecting to Russia’s warships into Cuba. Obama, with his entrenched leftist mindset, is the most dangerous of them all. He’s already cut the defence budget by 10% and diverted military spending into ineffective areas. The blundering bat eared fool is about to make Jimmy Carter look brilliant.
Biden said pre -election that Obama would be tested by their enemies sooner rather than later.
Looks like he was right.
Prophetic or pre-arranged?
Regardless, this can’t be ignored. Iran, or rather, the Iranian Government,have a stated objective to see Israel removed from the face of the earth, along with the great satan (USA).
Can either country really sit back and take the risk that Iran just wants to launch it’s own communication satellites to go along with it’s own nuclear energy programme? Sadly, I don’t think so.
I’m all for self determination and Iran SHOULD be allowed to go about it’s business but sadly they have spoiled that possibility for themselves by their leaders declarations.
This news will strengthen the will of Israeli people and increase the chance of Netanyahu being elected. That would give the region a hard liner incharge in Israel and a nutjob (technical term) incharge in Iran.
Well said, CraigM. If you want to object to “Imperialism”, you could take a hard look at Islamic imperialism; that is one religion that spread through conquest and coercion, not through evangelism; and it still does exist through coercion. Just try handing out copies of the Bible, or the Rig Veda, or Voltaire, on the street corner anywhere from Morocco to Indonesia, and see just how much “tolerance” gets extended to you.
THAT is the main reason why these people should NOT under any circumstances, get nukes or ballistic missiles.
Why can’t they have a space program? Space doesn’t belong to the US.
Quite a different issue to the nuclear weapons one.
As for the “how many countries invaded?” quesiton what a lot of specious nonsense. Iran the country as it currently exists hasn’t invaded anyone; they fought of Iraq when that country attacked it; they support terrorist organisations in the Middle East but neither of these is invasions.
Lebanon? Perhaps you could provide evidence. By your definitions, the US invaded Jordan/Egypt/syria, and it invaded Iran when it shot down an airliner in Iranian airspace. My history books say Iraq invaded Iran.
Persia is not Iran. I’d be more scared of the Greeks and Italians using your ‘logic’.
The west’s hands are not exactly clean when it comes to funding terrorist groups so lets not use that as a justification.
“”My job is to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives,” United States President Barack Obama told an Arabic television channel on January 26. Really? What are their names? Word has come to the West of no extraordinary Muslim thinker since the 12th century…..
“……it is the extraordinary citizens of a nation who set a mark for the aspirations of ordinary people. Cultures that can’t produce extraordinary individuals can’t survive. That bears on the other half of the president’s assertion. It is true that most Muslims simply want a better life, and the two or three million American Muslims mostly are well-educated economic immigrants who value prosperity over tradition…..
“……an “extraordinary person” is what an ambitious mother will tell her feckless children, “Work hard and you might grow up to be like him (or her).” Successful cultures produce people whose contributions resonate through the world – scientists, poets, musicians, entrepreneurs, or philosophers. Just one great individual can transform a nation, by setting an example for ambitious youth. Thanks to the composer Jan Sibelius, Finland with just 5 million people became a force in the world of classical music. But woe unto cultures whence comes no contribution to the rest of humanity. Where are the Muslim scientists, novelists, entrepreneurs, athletes and musicians?
Apart from political leaders, a reasonably diligent reader of a quality newspaper in the West will not be able to name a single Muslim distinguished in any field of human endeavor. Excluding the politically awarded Peace Prize, Muslims have won only three Nobel prizes since their inception more than a century ago, or one for every 450 million Muslims alive today. By contrast, there have been 169 Jewish Nobel Laureates (excluding the Peace Prize), or about one for every 89,000 Jews alive today. During the past century, a Jew was 5,000 times more likely to win the Nobel than a Muslim….
“……The trouble with a religion that permits no doubt – unlike Christianity, of which Pope Benedict XVI said that “doubt is the handmaiden of faith” – is that it becomes an all-or-nothing proposition. Either Islam regulates the totality of life and thought, such that questioning may intrude within its magic circle, or it becomes nothing. Islam is inseparable from the traditional life of subject peoples; it cannot find roots in the thin soil of modernity……”
DO READ THE WHOLE THING……..
Spengler sums up the reason why I doubt that a nation like Iran can produce its own nukes or space rockets without assistance from other “rogue” states……..it should be all the more possible to stop it happening on account of that.
“WHere are the Muslim scientists, novelists, entrepreneurs, athletes and musicians?”
Modern Islam has undeniably many issues balancing religion and modernity. I don’t know the answer. But because you are ignorant of Islamic music, art, history and sport, and it doesn’t fit into your world view, doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
But these ‘which one is worth more’ comparisons are ultimately very dangerous – we don’t have to look too far back in history to see where such comparisons can lead. What if it were done to Maori? To New Zealanders in general? I’m not sure we would be that confident of surviving that ‘test’.
We should not forget our culture stands on the shoulders of those who went before, and only a fleeting glance at history would quickly reveal that one of those shoulders is muscled by the significant cultural and scientific contribution of Islamic scholars to western thought.
Your comment was that they’d done it once so they could do it again, despite no sign of such intent. My comparison just showed how absurd and ultimately hollow your comments were.
Both Italy and Greece have far more capability of producing and projecting a nuclear weapon than Iran. That they don’t feel the need is a good thing. If I were scared of an islamic country, I would have far more fear of Pakistan, which actually has a bomb, has missiles, is a source of significant levels of terrorism, and is a corrupt basket case of a country with wars and threats internally and externally. Yet that country seems strangely immune from the invasion wet dreams of many.
I’ve congratulated Iran on my blog. I think it’s great. It would be disgusting if the USA invaded Iran, given they have already once toppled democracy in favour of dictatorship in that country in 1953. The way forward is engagement. The persians are an ancient and civilised people, and most of all they are a democracy. They represent exactly what George Bush was trying to establish in Iraq.
And sure they have funded terrorists. That’s bad. Gee, the US has never funded violence and oppression, has it ???
Take the blinkers off your eyes – engage with Iran, don’t threaten them. You can see my reasoning at vibenna.wordpress.com, if you want to.
Reminds me of ‘Mouse on the Moon’ – sequal to ‘Mouse that Roared.’
They wanted a new drainage system and thought the best way to finance it was to ask the Yanks for $0.5M. The Yanks gave them 1M suspecting it was in fact for a drainage system (‘Half a million would not even buy a second hand space suit’). The Russians gave them a used rocket and the local boffin did get to the Moon in it, beating the Yanks and Russians.
Insider: “Your comment was that they’d done it once so they could do it again, despite no sign of such intent”
I’m not sure I can take you seriously after that comment. No intent? I disagree totally.
“Both Italy and Greece have far more capability of producing and projecting a nuclear weapon than Iran. That they don’t feel the need is a good thing.’
So what you are saying is that someone who can but won’t is more dangerous than someone who can’t yet, but wants to? I disagree again.
“..would have far more fear of Pakistan”
On that we agree. Purely based on the grounds that the government is incredibly unstable and the nukes could fall into anyones hands. If the trigger is ever pulled by a Pakistani govt. I suggest it would be aimed at India tho.
The Iranian govt knows that MAD will occur should it ever obtain and use a nuke. Same as India and Pakistan, North Korea & anyone else. The issue is that the Iranian Govt have STATED for the record that they want Israel gone, even if it means the end of Iran. You don’t find that scary?
Vibenna: I think Iran is a great country also. I love it there. I have many friends there and always enjoyed my visits. The People are wonderful, friendly souls in the main. I don’t trust the Government and especially the loon in charge. Neither does anyone I have ever met and spoken to in Iran.
You’re entitled to disagree re intent. I’m yet to see any proof of it. Can you provide the information you find convincing. Constant demonisation and encirclement breeds a cycle of response. Someone has to say tai ho
What planet have you been living on? Iran is not a democracy in the western sense of the word – it does not permit the formation of rival political parties with viewpoints opposed to the Islamic theocracy, elections are Soviet style pre-approved show votes between candidates approved of and vetted by the Ayatollahs, the press is not free like it is in Iraq, there are no trade unions, there are severe restrictions on the movement of capital, the courts are an extension of the theocracy, women are second class citizens-subservient to men as proscribed by the clerics, women who dress too western or have ‘inappropriate’ hair dos are beaten up by moral police, gays are executed and only one religion is allowed-Islam. There’s very little that’s noble in the way the Mullahs run Iran. For crying out loud last week the government arrested a soccer coach for the crime of allowing women and men to play together!
Its leader publicly denies the Holocaust and states that it is his ambition to wipe out Israel. Iran funds terrorists organisations like Hezbollah and Hamas and almost all the weapons these organisations have used in Lebanon and Gaza were provided by Iran. Last time I looked Israel was a thriving western style democracy with robust courts, a strong trade union movement, a vibrant free press, freedom of religion, many competing political parties of almost every persuasion, a secular government, equality of women, no discrimimation against gays and a thriving capitalist economy. And Hezbollah and Hamas ….are a mirror image of its client state.
Iran showed how it prefers engagement when it invaded the US Embassy and held 56 US citizens hostage for 444 days. It fobs off the IAEA and the tells the UN what it wants to hear while it develops nuclear weapons.
I agree with dime – the US even under Bush was never going to attack Iran, it will be even less likely to under Obama. Netanyahu will win the upcoming Israeli elections and will then deal to Iran’s nuclear ambitions before the year is out. The world will howl, Obama will issue a stern telling off and the western allies will tell Israel secretly – good job mate.
“……We should not forget our culture stands on the shoulders of those who went before, and only a fleeting glance at history would quickly reveal that one of those shoulders is muscled by the significant cultural and scientific contribution of Islamic scholars to western thought…..”
On what planet is that statement true?
Look into it. “Arab” scholars and “Persian” scholars and “Assyrian” scholars, yes. But that is not to be confused with the total shutdown of these fertile avenues of human advancement through the advent of Islam.
Yes Banana. It would be interesting to do a poll here on how many people who have already decided on little-to-no evidence apart from propaganda, that Iran is an existential threat to one or more states (probably they have in mind, Israel – any other?), also firmly believe that AGW has not been properly debated.
Talk about pot kettle black.
Pick a side that suits your own prejudice then call yourself a political analyst.
“the west is barely a cut above” – what absolute piffle. Read the comparison between the US and Israel (or any western democracy for that matter) and Iran again closely and tell me what I might have missed:
1. Full court systems with trial by jury/habeus corpus – presumption of innocence and state funded defence if poor and various well staffed appellate courts vs religious clerics who impose Sharia law with no presumption of innocence and no right of appeal with barbaric medieval sentences given out.
2. Women treated as full equals to men in education and employment vs women who must veil themselves, who cannot be seen in public without a husband or male relative, who have limited rights to education and who if they chose to wear western clothes or hairstyles are beaten or arrested.
3. Elections that are held frequently with many safe guards against voter fraud contested by political parties that can form freely without restriction and who can contest elections with minimal mutually agreed upon rules and whose candidates are usually selected on merit and whose governments routinely change without major crisis vs sham elections of candidates hand selected and screened by the Mullahs. There is no freedom to form political parties as happens in the west – only to conform to the will of Allah and the Ayatollahs with ‘choice’ being between a mainstream Muslim policy programme and a hard line Muslim policy programme.
4. Free press with rights of free speech from editorial comment, reporting and public dissent published – politicians accountable to press and public via media interviews vs no free press only government sanctioned lackies who tow the party line on pain of imprisonment.
5. Freedom of labour to associate and form trade unions to protect the rights of workers usually allied with legislation covering minimum wage, work hours and conditions vs imprisonment of workers rights organisers and no freedom of association.
6. Freedom of religion and separation of church and state with no forced or sanctioned state religion and freedom of worship with whatever denomination and no pressure on non-believers vs a state religion that brooks no opposition – if Muslims convert outside the faith they can be arrested and killed. A belief that all other religions and non believers are infidels worthy of jihad or contempt and dhimmitude (2nd class status).
7. Freedom for homosexuals to conduct their lifestyle as they please with legal rights of their partnerships often enshrined in various laws vs homosexuals if caught usually executed.
8. Freedom of expression in art, literature and music even if some expressions of this freedom offend others vs all forms of entertainment not approved by Allah banned on pain of punishment.
Now I’m curious as to what in these comparisons is “barely a cut above”?