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		<title>By: Murray M</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-533072</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am absolutely blown away that someone like Jordan could have had the opportunity to be an MP and ostensibly represent a constituency.  He is one of the most dangerous types of liars there are, one who believes his own bullshit.  I wondering if after a drunken night out, a certain ex-PM might have secretly produced a love child.  The traits are too similair to be mere coincidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am absolutely blown away that someone like Jordan could have had the opportunity to be an MP and ostensibly represent a constituency.  He is one of the most dangerous types of liars there are, one who believes his own bullshit.  I wondering if after a drunken night out, a certain ex-PM might have secretly produced a love child.  The traits are too similair to be mere coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: wikiriwhis business</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532915</link>
		<dc:creator>wikiriwhis business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thanks wikiriwhis business, so Jordans usage is completely wrong?&quot;

He&#039;s trying to make something ultra academic out of a simple cultural tool.

A shibboleth is simply a test of language skill so a friend or foe can be determined.  

In fact Michael Cullen showed his betrayal of the Kiwi shibboleth by diminishing the no 8 wire Kiwi philosophy.  THerefore the real foes of this country have been exposed by their own shibboleth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thanks wikiriwhis business, so Jordans usage is completely wrong?&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s trying to make something ultra academic out of a simple cultural tool.</p>
<p>A shibboleth is simply a test of language skill so a friend or foe can be determined.  </p>
<p>In fact Michael Cullen showed his betrayal of the Kiwi shibboleth by diminishing the no 8 wire Kiwi philosophy.  THerefore the real foes of this country have been exposed by their own shibboleth.</p>
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		<title>By: GPT1</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532775</link>
		<dc:creator>GPT1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, another Jordon display of supreme arrogance.  The irony is that his blind belief in his, and the Left&#039;s, righteousness puts even the worst &#039;born to rule&#039; Tory to shame.  But, in his own mind, he is right so it is ok.  That arrogance only assisted Labour&#039;s defeat in the last election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, another Jordon display of supreme arrogance.  The irony is that his blind belief in his, and the Left&#8217;s, righteousness puts even the worst &#8216;born to rule&#8217; Tory to shame.  But, in his own mind, he is right so it is ok.  That arrogance only assisted Labour&#8217;s defeat in the last election.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532660</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks wikiriwhis business, so Jordans usage is completely wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks wikiriwhis business, so Jordans usage is completely wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532658</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>georgebolwing (124) Vote:  8  4  Says:     &quot;I am absolutely with you on Key being a soft socialist. Total raving fuckwit is about right&quot;.

Well, if that comment represents the intelligent face of ACT then Rodney has much to worry about.

Grumpyoldhori ... yes, I can understand you wanting the Nats to dump Key because unless they do so your beloved Labour Party is forever doomed to wandering in the political wilderness growing more irrevelant each day.

And for all of you ..... winning in NZ is about capturing the middle ground.   Yes, there are niche opportunities for Parties on the Left and Right (if you want to use those terms) but they will ALWAYS be bit players.

The naivety of some posters on here never ceases to amaze.    Bit like King Canute really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>georgebolwing (124) Vote:  8  4  Says:     &#8220;I am absolutely with you on Key being a soft socialist. Total raving fuckwit is about right&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, if that comment represents the intelligent face of ACT then Rodney has much to worry about.</p>
<p>Grumpyoldhori &#8230; yes, I can understand you wanting the Nats to dump Key because unless they do so your beloved Labour Party is forever doomed to wandering in the political wilderness growing more irrevelant each day.</p>
<p>And for all of you &#8230;.. winning in NZ is about capturing the middle ground.   Yes, there are niche opportunities for Parties on the Left and Right (if you want to use those terms) but they will ALWAYS be bit players.</p>
<p>The naivety of some posters on here never ceases to amaze.    Bit like King Canute really.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532642</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it that Jordan&#039;s beloved Labour government allowed NZ house prices to become the second most unaffordable in the world?  A real achievement that!  If Labour had had the guts to fix the defective tax law that encouraged all that unproductive spending by every man and his dog who could get a loan to become a landlord by buying shitty old houses, so driving up the price so they became expensive shitty old houses, I might have thought the last government had a redeeming feature - but no, no redeeming features!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it that Jordan&#8217;s beloved Labour government allowed NZ house prices to become the second most unaffordable in the world?  A real achievement that!  If Labour had had the guts to fix the defective tax law that encouraged all that unproductive spending by every man and his dog who could get a loan to become a landlord by buying shitty old houses, so driving up the price so they became expensive shitty old houses, I might have thought the last government had a redeeming feature &#8211; but no, no redeeming features!</p>
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		<title>By: beautox</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532636</link>
		<dc:creator>beautox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;shibboleths&quot; and &quot;raison-d&#039;etre&quot; in one paragraph. Did someone give him a thesaurus for Christmas. Or does he just talk like that normally? Personally I think he&#039;s just a jumped up (dpf deleted)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;shibboleths&#8221; and &#8220;raison-d&#8217;etre&#8221; in one paragraph. Did someone give him a thesaurus for Christmas. Or does he just talk like that normally? Personally I think he&#8217;s just a jumped up (dpf deleted)</p>
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		<title>By: wikiriwhis business</title>
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		<dc:creator>wikiriwhis business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shibboleth (IPA: /ˈʃɪbəlɛθ/[1] or IPA: /ˈʃɪbələθ/[2]) is any distinguishing practice which is indicative of one&#039;s social or regional origin. It usually refers to features of language, and particularly to a word whose pronunciation identifies its speaker as being a member or not a member of a particular group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shibboleth (IPA: /ˈʃɪbəlɛθ/[1] or IPA: /ˈʃɪbələθ/[2]) is any distinguishing practice which is indicative of one&#8217;s social or regional origin. It usually refers to features of language, and particularly to a word whose pronunciation identifies its speaker as being a member or not a member of a particular group.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I consider myself fairly literate (or at least not illiterate) and am confused by Jordans use of teh word &quot;shibboleths&quot;.

Can anyone explain what he means?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consider myself fairly literate (or at least not illiterate) and am confused by Jordans use of teh word &#8220;shibboleths&#8221;.</p>
<p>Can anyone explain what he means?</p>
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		<title>By: wikiriwhis business</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532625</link>
		<dc:creator>wikiriwhis business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder when they will realise that “most people” are over their hate filled political bigotry.&quot;

Excellent insight. 

I really understood the sophistication of the NZ electorate and how liarbours coruption bought it out.  The EFB was practically a Godsend awakening the masses and showing them in a new light to both sides of the house. I really didn&#039;t believe protest worked, esp when public referendums are continually ignored year in and year out.  I now realise that when good honest people speak out in unity the law makers can&#039;t stop them.  

The Communists thought they were so close to stiffling dissent and the public voice.  In fact they made it stronger and valid.  Some one overseas called NZ the last white hope on another site.  I was surprised by that comment, but I know we may very well be the great democratic hope.  National can prove that in their tenure.  They will automatically get two terms, no doubt about that.  It is a hope of mine that John Keys will do so well he will have to retire and hand over leadership of his govt.  Most of the old squad in Liarbour will be gone and a new and youthful opposition will become a threat.  But that&#039;s the political scenario I would look forward too.   

With MMP who knows where politics will be in ten years time.  But let&#039;s hope memories are long in voters minds and in opposition&#039;s.  National won&#039;t rule forever, but they should be remembered forever in the Kiwi pysche as the party that stopped communism in it&#039;s tracks and hopefully they&#039;ll never forget those roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder when they will realise that “most people” are over their hate filled political bigotry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent insight. </p>
<p>I really understood the sophistication of the NZ electorate and how liarbours coruption bought it out.  The EFB was practically a Godsend awakening the masses and showing them in a new light to both sides of the house. I really didn&#8217;t believe protest worked, esp when public referendums are continually ignored year in and year out.  I now realise that when good honest people speak out in unity the law makers can&#8217;t stop them.  </p>
<p>The Communists thought they were so close to stiffling dissent and the public voice.  In fact they made it stronger and valid.  Some one overseas called NZ the last white hope on another site.  I was surprised by that comment, but I know we may very well be the great democratic hope.  National can prove that in their tenure.  They will automatically get two terms, no doubt about that.  It is a hope of mine that John Keys will do so well he will have to retire and hand over leadership of his govt.  Most of the old squad in Liarbour will be gone and a new and youthful opposition will become a threat.  But that&#8217;s the political scenario I would look forward too.   </p>
<p>With MMP who knows where politics will be in ten years time.  But let&#8217;s hope memories are long in voters minds and in opposition&#8217;s.  National won&#8217;t rule forever, but they should be remembered forever in the Kiwi pysche as the party that stopped communism in it&#8217;s tracks and hopefully they&#8217;ll never forget those roots.</p>
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		<title>By: velofille</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532622</link>
		<dc:creator>velofille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst i agree entirely with the post here and laughed my head off whilst nodding and snorting coffee out my nose, i think you were wrong to link to his blog and give him the attention for it. We should ignore the bad behaviour and reward the good .. you know ... like that Nanny lady on the Telly :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst i agree entirely with the post here and laughed my head off whilst nodding and snorting coffee out my nose, i think you were wrong to link to his blog and give him the attention for it. We should ignore the bad behaviour and reward the good .. you know &#8230; like that Nanny lady on the Telly <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mike12</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532618</link>
		<dc:creator>mike12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never heard of this guy and after initially skimming the post I thought it was a piss take. Sadly not..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of this guy and after initially skimming the post I thought it was a piss take. Sadly not..</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532615</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Right now, the only thing we have that’s close to a “centrist” party is ACT&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Correct. We&#039;ve drifted so far to the left in the last 20 years that policies adopted by &#039;sensible social democratic&#039; parties outside NZ are branded as &#039;extreme far right&#039; concepts which are vigorously rejected here. We have become a nation of fat weaklings, fed an intellectual diet of socialist rubbish by the MSM. Hell, I’m starting to sound like Red!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Right now, the only thing we have that’s close to a “centrist” party is ACT</p></blockquote>
<p>Correct. We&#8217;ve drifted so far to the left in the last 20 years that policies adopted by &#8217;sensible social democratic&#8217; parties outside NZ are branded as &#8216;extreme far right&#8217; concepts which are vigorously rejected here. We have become a nation of fat weaklings, fed an intellectual diet of socialist rubbish by the MSM. Hell, I’m starting to sound like Red!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve long given up on reading Jordan&#039;s blog to see a Labour perspective on politics - he reminds me of the sheep in Animal Farm bleating whatever Napolean told them to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve long given up on reading Jordan&#8217;s blog to see a Labour perspective on politics &#8211; he reminds me of the sheep in Animal Farm bleating whatever Napolean told them to say.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532609</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, as a grizzled old Labour type I hope that the Nats dump Key, 
replace him with Collins, make Douglas the minister of finance with ruthless ruth in as his assistant.
Privatising the mdical system to the yank model would be good, and you will find all the punters (voters) real keen on selling off all the state assets.
Oh, and state super is too high, have that chopped back.
Doing that will get ACT 40 % of the vote at the next election.
Better dump the vote for any bugger over 60, ungrateful mob those wrinklies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, as a grizzled old Labour type I hope that the Nats dump Key,<br />
replace him with Collins, make Douglas the minister of finance with ruthless ruth in as his assistant.<br />
Privatising the mdical system to the yank model would be good, and you will find all the punters (voters) real keen on selling off all the state assets.<br />
Oh, and state super is too high, have that chopped back.<br />
Doing that will get ACT 40 % of the vote at the next election.<br />
Better dump the vote for any bugger over 60, ungrateful mob those wrinklies.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked over Jordan once. I didn&#039;t see much. Certainly no musically inclined angels.</description>
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		<title>By: Adolf Fiinkensein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adolf Fiinkensein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Jordan was a river over which in days or yore dem Nigras yearned to cross.</description>
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		<title>By: NX</title>
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		<dc:creator>NX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems Jordan has been totally and utterly convinced by Labour&#039;s pre-election spin that National had a secret agenda. 

And now the Nats are in power implementing a moderate agenda, Jordan has to come to terms with the fact his beloved party lied.  But instead he comes up with his own propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems Jordan has been totally and utterly convinced by Labour&#8217;s pre-election spin that National had a secret agenda. </p>
<p>And now the Nats are in power implementing a moderate agenda, Jordan has to come to terms with the fact his beloved party lied.  But instead he comes up with his own propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Crab</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/02/jordan_on_2011_campaign.html#comment-532603</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Crab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jordan is irrelevant. Even his own Party rates him at No 70.</description>
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		<title>By: LabourDoesntWork</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabourDoesntWork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hope of John Key&#039;s moving leftward being part of a strategy to marginalise the left has already been tried in the 8 years of mistaken defense (and rationalisation) of George Bush&#039;s moderacy. The right has really blown the opportunity to make a difference there; presumably history is only going to repeat in NZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hope of John Key&#8217;s moving leftward being part of a strategy to marginalise the left has already been tried in the 8 years of mistaken defense (and rationalisation) of George Bush&#8217;s moderacy. The right has really blown the opportunity to make a difference there; presumably history is only going to repeat in NZ.</p>
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