I get a day off, and get paid for it. Stat days rock

I’m afraid you’re only too correct.

Most protestors are uneducated and the educated ones don’t educate them.
I don’t think there is a desire to be educated. There is a desire to be heard above all else which is a volatile attitude inspiring violence just under the surface. Not for no reason protestors appear as gangsters with covered faces.

Peaceful protest has proven itself and in no way has it provoked police violence as at the spring boks confrontations.
Therefore protestors cannot say they have not been heard and do themselves and their reputations irreputable damage resorting to the base instincts.

But let us also understand that the reason there are still unsatisfied elements in Maori is simply because they are unsatisfied. The rau patu settlements haven’t filtered down and only the hierarchy and trust board members seem to have the desired voice and even more desired benefits.
There have been employment strategems; Tainui esp. As well of course as Ngai Tahu with Sea Lords.

Now we get to the bud. Who are the protestors at Waitangi. Underpriviliged Maori. And where do they come from.

You got it…… Nga Puhi. No employment. Poor housing, health, education. and they’re making it known every year.

A hint was put out that the King is descended from Nga Puhi. This was a tactic to take Nga Puhi minds off Tainui wealth. Directly inputted from Rau Patu settlements the average nga Puhi never sees. If Tainui were too keep remindiong Nga Puhi of the Kings links, questions would certainly arise about those payments. You can be guaranteed those kingly links won’t be repeated in Ngapuhi ears consistently.

The King keeps Nga Puhi links because his father was from there. A coupling with the Queen Tainui elders were firmly against. The stronger he makes those links, the more anticipated benefits Nga Puhi will expect. In fact, we could well surmise the man handling of the PM was for the benefit of the King.

“You are here, we grow impatient,” could be the interpretation between Nga Puhi to Tainui.

Covert to European eyes, Overtly obvious to Maori eyes I’m thinking.

‘Hit first, than talk afterwards (so long as you’ve beaten the daylights out of your supposed enemy)’ seems to be the mantra of preference for a lot of these people.

Sadly, today’s little effort does nothing to dispute the stereotype!

One day, perhaps one day, they might get their act together (Yes. even their leaders) but quite frankly I (and probably most of New Zealand) am not holding my breath.

* Radicals will deny the media access to public areas and our gutless press will do as they are told…….Check

Actually the last one is even worse than I thought, apparently these thugs have “denied the police access to the lower marae”

But no, true to form, two Maori individuals jostled him as he started to enter the Marae this morning, to the extent that the Boys in Blue became involved. and that as the two miscreants were escorted away one yelled out ‘Don’t think that the Maori Party will protect you Bro!’.

Why does this NOT surprise me and why does it reinforce the widely-held view that Maori simply cannot be trusted, that that their word is probably worthless, and that they will go out of their way to sabotage any efforts that are made in the name of unity and reconciliation?

Sadly, Waitangi-eve of 2009 will NOT be remembered for the reconcilaition-attempt by John Key.

But it WILL be remebered for the attempt on his person by two Maori, which will once again reinforce the sterotype!

Have others had this reaction? I simply couldn’t believe it – a chance for reconciliation and they blew it.

(And I notice that, as at 1600, there was no loud protest and round-condemnation of these two’s actions from their own! If you don’t condemn something like this IMMEDIATELY and by any means possible, it could be construed that you tacitly agree with it – just a thought)

I will be spending my Waitangi Day in London again, with 14,000 Kiwis doing the pub crawl again. We’ll open our event up to our Aussie, South African, English and European brothers and sisters and have a great day out celebrating being Kiwi. I know that upsets you Poneke, especially as we will forsake public transport on the day

Oh and I’ll be on RNZ Thursday after 5pm talking about the pub crawl here in London if anybody is interested!

Personally, I’m feeling ill on Friday the sixth, which is a day of no significance here in Oz, and will spending Waitangi Day with other kiwis having a few beers and a feed.

I suggest the 4 million or so still in motherland, learn to do the same. Enjoy not having to go to work, and celebrate being a kiwi FFS.

You can get back to the important task of arguing who does or does not deserve what on Monday.

Cheers
BBTB

Don’t flatter yourself Poneke, you lefties fall over yourself to make excuses for the apartheid party and Maori in general, this is one of the main reasons we continue to see their people fail.
The very mention of personal responsibility is enough to make the likes of you break out in a cold sweat.

Why are you so afraid of somebody telling it like it is?

Nah, so I thought it’d be more fun to wind up a few raving bigots, and it never fails.

Don’t you have a bus to catch or get excited about?.

But anyway, are you suggesting that the Maori party are not racist?

[DPF: In the sense that they believe one race is superior or inferior to another, no. ]

Hey Bruv, but wasn’t apartheid great in Sud Afrika? Don’t you reckon it’s all gone to the dogs since it ended?

* A never ending line of self important elders and assorted apologists will continue to blame colonisation for everything wrong in the Maori world.

* Nobody will take ownership of the seemingly never ending line of Maori child killings.

* Maori will demand yet more money from the tax payer.

* John Key will be at his sickening arse kissing best as he seeks support for his alliance with the racist apartheid party.

* Radicals will deny the media access to public areas and our gutless press will do as they are told.

* At least 50% of the attendees will be welfare beneficiaries.

At its most basic, your sovereign nation does not have the right under international law to invade another without just cause and take control of it. This is why the British sent Hobson to Waitangi all those years ago, and why Hitler’s invasion of his neighbours was illegal under international law, as was Dubya’s invasion of Iraq (but not his father’s driving of Saddam out of Kuwait).

Surely international law consists of treaties, accords and understandings which are electively complied with.

Er, yes. And virtually every nation on this planet has signed up to the various international instruments and most obey them. It is how we all mostly get along with one another on this crowded planet. They are not some abstract academic ideal.

Quite apart from the legal status of the treaty of Waitangi process (and I have not in fact said whether I recognize that or not), there is no international law that supports the creation of sovereignty by the fact of apparent acceptance by one treaty partner (the one that has an advantage of the presumption).

…under international law…

What, pray, is international law and what did it look like in 1835?

Er, it was, actually.

The British Crown recognised the sovereign status of New Zealand following the 1835 Declaration of Independence (which I have posted above) and thus accepted that under international law it needed to negotiate a legal agreement with the chiefs in New Zealand in order for colonisation to be legal.

The fact that you do not recognise the legal status of this process in no way negates its legal status under international law.