NZ will have no effect on the desire of the Islamic states to outlaw criticism of Islam. We’ll just become complicit in it

You can’t tell what effect the SAS will have while on active duty, servicing the interests of New Zealand and its current government.

To quote Stewie Griffin from Family Guy: “a bullet sounds the same in every language so stuff a sock in it cow!”

I am inclined too to agree with billyborker: “The UN is the best we’ve got,and for all its faults, it HAS at times done good. Better to be in the tent trying to improve it, rather than your preferred position of carping from without.”

the deity formerly known as nigel6888 comments: “The “human rights council” is a disgusting edifice, its sole purpose is to convey legitimacy to evil dictatorships.” Alas, there is all too much truth to this. But, quoting billyborker again: “And voting against something does not make one, either a state or an individual, complicit in anything.” It is more honourable to take part and TRY than despair and wash our hands.

But you are right, Any body that insists you cant take the piss out of religion is fucked.

MNIJ and I disagree on practically everything except this. Positive karma from me on this one Jack.

Scientology – well, joke city. I pass the Scientology HQ in London sometimes, it makes me chuckle.

Islam and Scientology are both post bronze age religions, and both have an abhorence of light being shone on them.

But you are right, Any body that insists you cant take the piss out of religion is fucked.

ALL religion deserves to be roundly abused as a bronze age superstition used to control the uneducated masses.

Where is Belgium anyway – don’t they have their enough of their own enormous bureaucracy to take care of…?

YES. WE. CAN.

Yes we can

Yes we can

Yes we can.

The HRC is just as bad as its predecessor that was abolished because it was a repulsive joke. The current Council is more into taking rights away than defending them. It is trying to make it compulsory for countries to ban virulent criticism of religion.

In terms of NZ’s reputation abroad I would rather we stayed on and actively worked against such rubbish – giving up our seat to US looks somewhat lapdog-ish and we would suffer from such a reputation, and to be blunt- the yanks are useless at foreign diplomacy and trusting them in this area seems a recipe for failure. They think empathy is a girl band…..

The “human rights council” is a disgusting edifice, its sole purpose is to convey legitimacy to evil dictatorships – Darfur anyone? oh hang on, no zionists, just an internal policing matter nothing to see, move along.

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Yep sad that I have lost some faith in mankind… It is what it is….

Moving back to NZ from Europe, I wanted a government change, we got it, was stoked. But the dogs breakfast that has been created is a truly big bowl of pooop that many hay seeds have no clue…

NZ will have a chance to be heard. Who knows, maybe some good work from some Kiwis can get the 11 or so states who abstained last time to cast a vote. Do you have that little faith in the ability of your countrymen? Don’t you think Key and McCully are capable of appointing a strong team?

And voting against something does not make one, either a state or an individual, complicit in anything. Or was the National Party complicit with the EFA because its members were in the parlaiment and cast their votes?

bigbruv, the UN is the best we’ve got,and for all its faults, it HAS at times done good. Better to be in the tent trying to improve it, rather than your preferred position of carping from without.

Whafe Pfftttttt? Fuck, never before have I heard such a convincing argument.

[DPF: This is not a one off problem. The former HRC was a disgrace that took 15 years to kill off. The SG recommended a much different structure for its sucessor but the member states waterered it all down, so it s almost a clone of the predecessor. There comes a time when you have to do a humane killing. The UN HRC is an enemy of human rights and all our presence would do is lend our reputation to the despots who hide behind it. Note this criticism is about the HRC only, not the full UN which does some useful stuff]