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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-543067</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to understand why the proposed amendment is good law go to my Centre web page and read the Woolley Decision.

Go to: http://www.rmastudies.org.nz/index.php/issues/39-rma-the-act-and-its-reforms/312-rma-and-the-protection-of-trees</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to understand why the proposed amendment is good law go to my Centre web page and read the Woolley Decision.</p>
<p>Go to: <a href="http://www.rmastudies.org.nz/index.php/issues/39-rma-the-act-and-its-reforms/312-rma-and-the-protection-of-trees" rel="nofollow">http://www.rmastudies.org.nz/index.php/issues/39-rma-the-act-and-its-reforms/312-rma-and-the-protection-of-trees</a></p>
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		<title>By: WebWrat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-543037</link>
		<dc:creator>WebWrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly Washington.</description>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-543023</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More porks? Thought they were predominantly a wellington based critter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More porks? Thought they were predominantly a wellington based critter.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-543021</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my street there are about 15 listed trees. Some huge Oaks, several Spanish cork oats, a whopping great Sequoia Pine (and I mean bloody huge - maybe the biggest tree in the Hutt Valley) and some Pohutakawas and other trees.  I had a c40m Norfolk Pine on my place and chopped it down.  It was damaging both my house and my neighbours.  I didn&#039;t need permission as it was not listed, although it was one of the tallest trees in the neighbourhood.  I think if I lived in Auckland I would not have been able to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my street there are about 15 listed trees. Some huge Oaks, several Spanish cork oats, a whopping great Sequoia Pine (and I mean bloody huge &#8211; maybe the biggest tree in the Hutt Valley) and some Pohutakawas and other trees.  I had a c40m Norfolk Pine on my place and chopped it down.  It was damaging both my house and my neighbours.  I didn&#8217;t need permission as it was not listed, although it was one of the tallest trees in the neighbourhood.  I think if I lived in Auckland I would not have been able to.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-543018</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Miramar peninsular was once deviod of these lovely birds. Not now. The possum eradication program had been an astounding success and there are now loads of Tuis. I’ve started planting trees to attract them. Useful link here.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Getstaffed - in the Hutt we hear moreporks now as well.  Very eiry at night during winter.  They don&#039;t half make a racket as they call to themselves.  I love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Miramar peninsular was once deviod of these lovely birds. Not now. The possum eradication program had been an astounding success and there are now loads of Tuis. I’ve started planting trees to attract them. Useful link here.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Getstaffed &#8211; in the Hutt we hear moreporks now as well.  Very eiry at night during winter.  They don&#8217;t half make a racket as they call to themselves.  I love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Sproull</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-543011</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Sproull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How many trees can people who are forced to live in high density apartments under your Commie plans for society, plant and tend? How many vege gardens can they have? How many solar panels and wind turbines can they mount?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whose ideal is high-density apartment living?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How many trees can people who are forced to live in high density apartments under your Commie plans for society, plant and tend? How many vege gardens can they have? How many solar panels and wind turbines can they mount?</p></blockquote>
<p>Whose ideal is high-density apartment living?</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-543008</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#  getstaffed (2998) Vote: Add rating6 Subtract rating 2   Says:
March 12th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

&quot;Speaking of tree chopping… what’s the latest from Victoria in that regard?

Will home owners there to able to clear trees from around their homes - like the couple that did so, were prosecuted, convicted, fined and now have no living neighbours?&quot;

The two people who gave you negative karma points, getstaffed, are lowlife pond scum. You are absolutely right. The sheer lack of conscience on the part of whatever Green supporters gave you those negative karma, is just breathtaking. It is well past time to smash this essentially anti-human movement for once and for all before it is too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  getstaffed (2998) Vote: Add rating6 Subtract rating 2   Says:<br />
March 12th, 2009 at 5:31 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Speaking of tree chopping… what’s the latest from Victoria in that regard?</p>
<p>Will home owners there to able to clear trees from around their homes &#8211; like the couple that did so, were prosecuted, convicted, fined and now have no living neighbours?&#8221;</p>
<p>The two people who gave you negative karma points, getstaffed, are lowlife pond scum. You are absolutely right. The sheer lack of conscience on the part of whatever Green supporters gave you those negative karma, is just breathtaking. It is well past time to smash this essentially anti-human movement for once and for all before it is too late.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-543007</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green hypocrisy:

How many trees can people who are forced to live in high density apartments under your Commie plans for society, plant and tend? How many vege gardens can they have? How many solar panels and wind turbines can they mount?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green hypocrisy:</p>
<p>How many trees can people who are forced to live in high density apartments under your Commie plans for society, plant and tend? How many vege gardens can they have? How many solar panels and wind turbines can they mount?</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542936</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall &#039;trimming&#039; council verge natives that encroached on my property that were  strangely never trimmed by the council &#039;except&#039; for over the road.  

Go figure, short one side, lower the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall &#8216;trimming&#8217; council verge natives that encroached on my property that were  strangely never trimmed by the council &#8216;except&#8217; for over the road.  </p>
<p>Go figure, short one side, lower the other.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542928</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenfly, as I&#039;ve told you before, your own philosophy, sacrifice for the greater good, means you are a hypocrite just for breathing and polluting the environment for everyone else. You have to make an exception to your own rule just to exist.

The computer you type your messages on, the clothes you wear, the food you eat and the car you drive was not produced by somebody sacrificing for the greater good. They were produced by people pursuing their private interests. Vastly, incomparably greater good emerges from the pursuit of self interest than from the state requiring private sacrifice. That&#039;s true whether you find that distasteful or not.

The kind of rules you think are a good idea will produce FEWER native trees because few will plant trees that impose severe constraints on their own property when you can do anything you like with non-natives.

You green idiots do not realise that leaving people free to choose means markets produce in abundance the things that people value. Including, I am nearly certain, NZ native trees. If only you idiots would get out of the way give people the freedom to express that preference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenfly, as I&#8217;ve told you before, your own philosophy, sacrifice for the greater good, means you are a hypocrite just for breathing and polluting the environment for everyone else. You have to make an exception to your own rule just to exist.</p>
<p>The computer you type your messages on, the clothes you wear, the food you eat and the car you drive was not produced by somebody sacrificing for the greater good. They were produced by people pursuing their private interests. Vastly, incomparably greater good emerges from the pursuit of self interest than from the state requiring private sacrifice. That&#8217;s true whether you find that distasteful or not.</p>
<p>The kind of rules you think are a good idea will produce FEWER native trees because few will plant trees that impose severe constraints on their own property when you can do anything you like with non-natives.</p>
<p>You green idiots do not realise that leaving people free to choose means markets produce in abundance the things that people value. Including, I am nearly certain, NZ native trees. If only you idiots would get out of the way give people the freedom to express that preference.</p>
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		<title>By: OECD rank 22 kiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542892</link>
		<dc:creator>OECD rank 22 kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chthoniid says on March 12th, 2009 at 6:34 pm:
&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the biggest beneficiaries of this has been the tui, whose resurgence in urban areas has been remarkable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tui is good beer.  

By New Zealand standards it is anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chthoniid says on March 12th, 2009 at 6:34 pm:</p>
<blockquote><p>One of the biggest beneficiaries of this has been the tui, whose resurgence in urban areas has been remarkable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tui is good beer.  </p>
<p>By New Zealand standards it is anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542886</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WCC tried to impose silly rules that protected all trees over a certain size about 12 years ago.  After a year or two they backed down and only &#039;named&#039; trees were protected.  As soon as I heard they changed the rules I called in an expert to chop down a couple of larger trees on the section where we wanted to build a house.  We were able to then build the house with plenty of trees around the boundary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WCC tried to impose silly rules that protected all trees over a certain size about 12 years ago.  After a year or two they backed down and only &#8216;named&#8217; trees were protected.  As soon as I heard they changed the rules I called in an expert to chop down a couple of larger trees on the section where we wanted to build a house.  We were able to then build the house with plenty of trees around the boundary.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542881</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are natives even allowed to be trimmed on properties&quot;

I&#039;ve &#039;trimmed&#039; a couple of natives off my property over the years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are natives even allowed to be trimmed on properties&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve &#8216;trimmed&#8217; a couple of natives off my property over the years</p>
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		<title>By: wikiriwhis business</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542879</link>
		<dc:creator>wikiriwhis business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People have been waiting years for this to happen

But even if it does go into law, most people are so used to council watch dogs it will probably take 5 years for it to sink in

By that time the law could be reverted again.  Esp under new councils.

Besides, is this a national thing or just local.  

Are natives even allowed to be trimmed on properties

The lady in Akld has been pruning trees for years for their benefit when the facist council moved to stop her with threats to her freedom.

so we&#039;re supposed to be excited about this.

No council anywhere is going to blow a trumpet about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have been waiting years for this to happen</p>
<p>But even if it does go into law, most people are so used to council watch dogs it will probably take 5 years for it to sink in</p>
<p>By that time the law could be reverted again.  Esp under new councils.</p>
<p>Besides, is this a national thing or just local.  </p>
<p>Are natives even allowed to be trimmed on properties</p>
<p>The lady in Akld has been pruning trees for years for their benefit when the facist council moved to stop her with threats to her freedom.</p>
<p>so we&#8217;re supposed to be excited about this.</p>
<p>No council anywhere is going to blow a trumpet about it.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542878</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Pohutukawa trees.  

Scoop: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0109/S00020.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Famous Tree Sparks Debate On Discovery Of NZ&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Pohutukawa quite at home in Spain While pohutukawa struggle in some parts of New Zealand, Dr Harris says they thrive in the coastal regions of Galicia.

&quot;Pohutukawa there are not subjected to possums. The frost-free conditions in coastal areas suit them nicely. New Zealand cabbage trees are also common in La Corunna, as are flaxes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Pohutukawa trees.  </p>
<p>Scoop: <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0109/S00020.htm" rel="nofollow">Famous Tree Sparks Debate On Discovery Of NZ</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Pohutukawa quite at home in Spain While pohutukawa struggle in some parts of New Zealand, Dr Harris says they thrive in the coastal regions of Galicia.</p>
<p>&#8220;Pohutukawa there are not subjected to possums. The frost-free conditions in coastal areas suit them nicely. New Zealand cabbage trees are also common in La Corunna, as are flaxes.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542857</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the biggest beneficiaries of this has been the tui, whose resurgence in urban areas has been remarkable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Miramar peninsular was once deviod of these lovely birds. Not now. The possum eradication program had been an astounding success and there are now loads of Tuis. I&#039;ve started planting trees to attract them. Useful link &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newzealandbirds.co.nz/more/plant.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One of the biggest beneficiaries of this has been the tui, whose resurgence in urban areas has been remarkable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Miramar peninsular was once deviod of these lovely birds. Not now. The possum eradication program had been an astounding success and there are now loads of Tuis. I&#8217;ve started planting trees to attract them. Useful link <a href="http://www.newzealandbirds.co.nz/more/plant.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542854</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>racer

I can be a twat as well - how dare the council tell me I can&#039;t keep my stash of dead bodies on my front lawn . ha ha ha ha - I&#039;m so funny - Now F-OFF !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>racer</p>
<p>I can be a twat as well &#8211; how dare the council tell me I can&#8217;t keep my stash of dead bodies on my front lawn . ha ha ha ha &#8211; I&#8217;m so funny &#8211; Now F-OFF !</p>
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		<title>By: racer</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542837</link>
		<dc:creator>racer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are dare the council tell me how loud I&#039;m allowed to play &lt;b&gt;my stereo&lt;/b&gt; on &lt;b&gt;my property&lt;/b&gt;!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are dare the council tell me how loud I&#8217;m allowed to play <b>my stereo</b> on <b>my property</b>!!!</p>
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		<title>By: greenfly</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/alarmism.html#comment-542831</link>
		<dc:creator>greenfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks side show! Furthermore, why can&#039;t a landowner claim any water that moves across &lt;i&gt; their &lt;/i&gt; land as well? Stuff the guy downstream. That water &lt;i&gt; belongs &lt;/i&gt; to me when it becomes part of my land. To suggest that I need to &lt;i&gt; care &lt;/i&gt; about the next guy is ludicrous. If his water supply dries up, it&#039;s his problem! He should have bought the land upstream of mine. Any suggestion that &lt;i&gt; trees &lt;/i&gt; benefit anyone other than the owner is lunatic treehugger madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks side show! Furthermore, why can&#8217;t a landowner claim any water that moves across <i> their </i> land as well? Stuff the guy downstream. That water <i> belongs </i> to me when it becomes part of my land. To suggest that I need to <i> care </i> about the next guy is ludicrous. If his water supply dries up, it&#8217;s his problem! He should have bought the land upstream of mine. Any suggestion that <i> trees </i> benefit anyone other than the owner is lunatic treehugger madness.</p>
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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said greenfly.</description>
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