Another blog story not credited

March 9th, 2009 at 6:54 pm by David Farrar

As I blogged earlier, Whale Oil broke the story of the misleading journalists in relation to inquiries over Winston’s ministerial car.

TV3 covered the story tonight, which was great. But it is regrettable they didn’t credit with the story. As far as I know, no-one else had the documents he obtained. Maybe they sourced it independently, but I know the blog post in question had been seen by them.

got Deputy Editor on camera saying it was a cover up. Godo on them for not mincing words. I do wonder why the did not publish at their time, their belief DIA misled them, let alone ask for documents under the OIA?

I enjoyed criticising DIA for the cover up. Who would have ever though a story started by Whale Oil would end up having agreeing with it :-)

UPDATE: A TV3 staffer has confirmed with me that they did receive the DIA documents independently, and were not reliant on the blog story. Hence the issue of credit does not apply. Appreciate the update from them.

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35 Responses to “Another blog story not credited”

  1. petal (706 comments) says:

    I think credit should be given.

    However, given a choice of blog generated stories being limited to blogs because they don’t get repeated in the main stream media and the choice of the story getting picked up and not credited, I prefer the latter.

    TV3 did show an invoice not part of Wale Oil’s published material, so perhaps your qualification that they had their own OIA request out has some merit.

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  2. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    of course..the other big blog exclusive the mainstream media failed to acknowledge..

    ..and of course..

    ..chris trotter also used the exclusive..

    ..but did not credit it to whoar..

    ..that pretty much sucked and blew on all levels..

    http://whoar.co.nz/2008/nandor-tanczos-to-resign-from-parliamentand-soona-whoar-exclusive/

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  3. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    btw..i wonder how long it will take them to catch up with the key wall st journal interview..

    http://whoar.co.nz/2009/wot-john-key-plans-to-do-about-the-effects-on-new-zealanders-from-the-global-meltdownumnothing/

    should we start a sweepstake..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  4. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and..all credit to dpf for his (repeated) efforts to get trotter/m.s.m to acknowledge the tanczos exclusive..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  5. bustedblonde (138 comments) says:

    we have caught up on the wall st journal story philu roarprawn.blogspot.com

    as have home paddock and a few others . NBR has also covered it

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  6. dad4justice (8,219 comments) says:

    Needless to say the three posts from phool so far are drug induced psychosis.

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  7. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    yes..but no m.s.m..

    ..which is the point..?

    ..surely..?

    (especially as the nation has been sitting on the edge of their seat…waiting to hear keys’ plan..)

    ..and he ‘gives’ it to the wall st journal..?

    that should put a dent in the whirlwind romance the m.s.m thought it was having with key..eh..?..)

    (and they haven’t even ‘seen’ it yet..?

    oh..!..the humiliation..!

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  8. dad4justice (8,219 comments) says:

    Can somebody credit phool a spare brain cell?

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  9. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    I have those documents too, that was my part two, but Duncan decided to use them as well. It wasn’t the main story, the receipts, the main story was the obfuscation. Duncan got his documents from the same source I did.

    I also have an email where Duncan saw the post on Whaleoil and commented well before he had the documents.

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  10. rwoodnz (9 comments) says:

    It may be a sore point with some bloggers that they don’t get credited in news stories but isn’t that just a blogging thing not a news thing. Most people who give tips to journalists do not get credited and do we want that extra fluff in new stories?
    If the reporter has done their job properly they’ve gone back to the original source and got the quotes, documents they need directly. At that point how important is it where a tipoff came from?

    [DPF: The difference is the blogger has published the story. Sometimes I tip off a story to media, sometimes I publish it myself. There is a big difference]

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  11. Tauhei Notts (1,712 comments) says:

    New Zealanders owe a debt of gratitude to Whale Oil over this matter. Without his detailed e mails on show on his site we would never ever know what a scheming devious person Colin Feslier is.
    My advice to Colin Feslier;
    “Credibility is like virginity – you only lose it once”
    Publication of Colin’s e mails has deflowered Colin. Publication has made any outfit that employs Colin unbelievable.
    I would be pleased if bloggers would let us know where this reptile commences work in the future. That outfit will no longer be able to be trusted. Colin has become the leper of the p.r. industry.

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  12. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Garner is just being Garner. leave him alone.
    http://nominister.blogspot.com/2009/03/give-duncan-garner-break.html

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  13. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    What is the motivation for letting the Scampi Quota Enabler keep the Territory?

    Surely it was always easier to collect it?

    Or am I missing something here?

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  14. tvb (4,421 comments) says:

    Feslier obviously sees his job as one in which his smarmy cleverness is there to fool the media so they lose interest in a story. There is high public interest into why Peters had a vehicle long after it should have been returned or paid for. Feslier seems to think he should be tricky in not disclosing facts to the media. It is not a hanging offence but it is very very close.

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  15. Fairfacts Media (372 comments) says:

    The MSM taking blogger stories and passing them off as their own is a global situation, as I note over at Barnsley Bill.
    There are even competitions and studies into the practice.
    Pop over top Barnsley Bill for more.

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  16. democracymum (648 comments) says:

    Way to go Whaleoil!

    Funny, during the election campaign it seemed the msm wouldn’t take a blind bit of interest in the blogs
    Now with time on their hands, they can’t seem to keep their grubby paws off them.

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  17. francis (712 comments) says:

    This one was particularly odious. Whale clearly got the story.

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  18. Christopher (425 comments) says:

    Move over TV, blogging is the way of the future

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  19. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    Phil, I hope that the MSM pick up the WSJ story. And then I wonder how they do a single interview and seem to be able to capture the essence of what John Key is up to, and the MSM went through a whole election campaign and didn’t seem to be able to get it.

    I think you see some baby eating in there that the rest of us don’t. John Key has it absolutely bang on right. High quality spending now, investing in the future, is a great idea. It creates jobs and sets us up for coming out of the recession. Low quality spending, that is just attempting to pump prime, is just creating debt for future generations with very low likelihood of success. We don’t need to do that.

    I also thought that Key did a great job of not being offensive to the US administration – he said we’re doing something different, but was very careful to not say that the US should do the same.

    And I like the fact that almost every commenter on the WSJ wants John Key to emigrate and take over. That is hilarious.

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  20. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    bloggers need reporters first Chrisotpher.

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  21. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    It sounds like TV3 have stolen Whale Oil’s journalistic content rights. Fair use could have applied, but they blew that when they didn’t acknowledge their source. The only proper response can be a S92a complaint followed by an ISP shutting down TV3’s web site.

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  22. pdm (844 comments) says:

    Christopher – I saw something on the TV! news that one of their reporters (Janet Wilkinson I think) is running a blog on the Bain trial – available on the TV1 website they said – so they have started.

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  23. Ryan Sproull (7,144 comments) says:

    This is what you get with crazy state ownership of media!

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  24. Jim (398 comments) says:

    Who would have ever though a story started by Whale Oil would end up having Phil Goff agreeing with it.

    In this rare instance you had both protagonists speaking plain old common sense. Quite often an area where many people agree.

    Of course this is a grave political sin unless said viewpoint concurs with [left|right]tards from the relevant sphere.

    Wait for The Standard to either ignore or twist Goff’s words into something completely different that fits their own unreality.

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  25. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Philu may be correct. There is a story in this mornings Herald that does not credit him either

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10560775

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  26. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    patrick starr you shouldnt kick a bum when hes down. arf arf.

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  27. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    yeah – suppose so. Therefore my apologies to Tim Edwards for comparing him to Philu

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  28. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    “Philu may be correct. There is a story in this mornings Herald that does not credit him either..”

    What? Has the Herald sunk that low that is now publishing “dopey”articles?

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  29. rwoodnz (9 comments) says:

    [DPF: The difference is the blogger has published the story. Sometimes I tip off a story to media, sometimes I publish it myself. There is a big difference]

    I’d have thought that a reporter crediting where a story tip came from is just a “nice to have”. The reader of a news story wants to know the news story itself and the sources that justify the reporter’s statements, and most likely wouldn’t give a hoot where the original tipoff came from unless the tipster themselves is relevant to the story. And I guess that gets to the point of what is the real story – to the news reporter the real story is not who said what in the blogosphere, but to a blogger that may well be the story itself or a big part of it. Also between bloggers noting tipoffs is important because thats how you get and encourage links but to a reporter that surely should not be a driver.

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  30. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    I was all ready to jump on this thread and hyperventilate about the media not crediting bloggers, but THIS comment which appropriately was the first on the thread immediately got me rethinking:

    petal (255) Vote: 9 0 Says:

    March 9th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
    “I think credit should be given.

    However, given a choice of blog generated stories being limited to blogs because they don’t get repeated in the main stream media and the choice of the story getting picked up and not credited, I prefer the latter.”

    Old Media is on the way out and fighting for survival. In a way, one cannot blame them for not tipping their own customers to sources of information and comment that may lead to them losing those customers.

    But in “Whale Oil’s” case, it is more than this. “Whale Oil” is like Ian Wishart where the MSM liberal lefties are concerned; just too plain unpalatable to their world view.

    I would prefer the MSM to have actually told us the truth about Doongate in 2000 and Parkergate in 2005 and all the rest of it, without crediting Ian Wishart, rather than the whiteout that we did experience.

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  31. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Funny tho, he linked my story when covering that in his latest blog. Maybe yours just wasn’t good..”

    i just clicked on yr link..to check your credentials to critique writing styles..

    ..and..you were correct to name yr blog..’home office’..

    ..as your writing style is pure bureauocratise..

    ..turgid/thick..

    ..with all the lightness of a lead brick..

    ..ie..

    ‘We are in a world full of Gen – Y’s (Gen Y Neos, they tell me now) where the Ipod is king, consumerism is rampant and communication is on a scale never seen before. In fact my 14 yr old niece’s cellphone appears to be hardwired to her fingers, she doesn’t need to look to string a text message together and she can even converse in a somewhat meaningful way while she does it! We are moving to a more knowledge based economy that means more and more people are moving from the factory floor or the waterfront to the air conditioned office and the computer keyboard. There seems little room for the old stereotype of the militant socialist – or even the vociferous one at that. Chris Trotter comments himself on the fact that the Labour Party, with it’s roots deep in the workers heart, now numbers perhaps 2000-odd paid up members. Where have the old days gone? Why are there not more people struggling to rise from the grip of the imperialist fist?..

    (q.e.d…?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  32. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    PhilU, fancy leftwingers now grizzling at the mainstream media not covering a story. I think they are actually frozen with fear, they simply do not want a public debate on these issues because John Key and the economically savvy people will win it. They could shut out debates like this while the Heleban was the government, but they can’t shut them out now.

    I reckon John Key and Rodney Hide and Roger Douglas are saying “bring it on”. They know they will win this one. They know that this is NZ’s big chance to catch up now that the rest of the world has gone crazy for Keynesianism. This is NZ’s big chance to reverse the roles with Australia; to reverse the brain drain; to reverse our respective economic growth and wealth creation positions while Kevin Rudd imposes depression-prolonging measures on the Aussie economy.

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  33. rwoodnz (9 comments) says:

    PhilBest, is it “old media” vs “new media” or is it just the reporting process contrasted against the blogging process?
    The reporter is writing a news story with their statements justified by referencing the original source, not the tipster. Isn’t that what they are paid to do? I’d rather the reporter kept the story to the point and got out to get the next story than have them worrying about what bloggers think.
    The blogger is writing a blog post with their desire and need to credit the tipster to maintain the link-throughs that support the blogoshere with often a blog post being part of a conversation that goes across a number of blogs.
    Blogging is a process that doesn’t translate into print but that doesn’t mean the reporting process can’t translate online without having to take on the blogging approach.

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  34. freethinker (691 comments) says:

    Another example of the Wagons(Blogs) circling the Indians (Media, Pollies etc) and the Indians don’t like it one bit. Time to roll up the canvas and start up the machine gun.

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