Good

March 4th, 2009 at 7:13 am by David Farrar

I blogged last month, re :

She managed to wrestle with Police after barking like a dog and swearing in front of the widow of the man her son is accussed of murdering.

So I am forced to wonder, what is the actual nature of the condition that meks her unable to work? After all, it took four police officers to subdue her, and she still manage to kick the court room doors open as they removed her.

I hope someone from /WINZ takes note, and perhaps refers her to an independent doctor for confirmation of this mystery condition that makes her permanently unable to work.

The Dom Post reports today:

Mrs Stevens, 43, confirmed yesterday that she had been contacted by the Social Development Ministry and asked to make an appointment with an accredited doctor to prove she was eligible for a benefit.

She had spent years in an abusive relationship and suffered from arthritis, weak bones and emotional difficulties, she said.

She saw a Hastings doctor yesterday. “I don’t care what people think. It’s emotional and physical. That’s all I’m going to say.”

She would not say how long she had been a beneficiary.

Very impressive that she managed to wrestle four police officers despite her arthritis and weak bones.

Good to see MSD doing the right thing and referring her to an accredited Doctor.

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54 Responses to “Good”

  1. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    I’d like her to pay money back if she is found to be making unwarranted claims.

    The most disturbing thing is her dreadful actions in front of the other family, but when you are a nasty person, guess it doesn’t matter.

    The best thing is for her to have all the stuff removed from her house back to basics to refund the taxpayer.

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  2. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    fucking revolting bitch. ‘scuse french.

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  3. Brian Smaller (3,983 comments) says:

    The Accredited Doctor will rubber stamp her continued eligibility for the invalid’s benefit – what’s the bet? That woman is evidence that the system needs to be overhauled. Given that those people never vote National anyway, National should put a plan to fix the welfare system in front of the people and have an election. If they win, do it.

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  4. goodgod (1,363 comments) says:

    Sickness Benefits get cut for less than nationwide film footage of K9 grid iron skills and all she says is it’s up to her to decide her level of disability and WINZ ask her to go see a doctor?

    Cut her from the trough immediately.

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  5. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    She had spent years in an abusive relationship…

    … where she was the abuser by the looks of it

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  6. bharmer (686 comments) says:

    # Brian Smaller (818) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
    March 4th, 2009 at 7:52 am

    “The Accredited Doctor will rubber stamp her continued eligibility for the invalid’s benefit – what’s the bet? That woman is evidence that the system needs to be overhauled. ”

    And if the doctor does find her eligible, you will take that as proof of your suspicions?

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  7. dad4justice (7,729 comments) says:

    “It’s emotional and physical.”

    I can understand the physical aspect because she is a fat blob, however the emotional element is rather concerning. Do Mongrel Mob supporters actually have emotions or is the Doctor an addicted speed dial wacko?

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  8. tvb (4,196 comments) says:

    She made some reasonably contrite comments especially about the barking. But that behavior must have been deeply distressing to the widow of the deceased. I assume Miss Stevens will be prevented from attending future Court appearances of her son. If she is cut off her invalid’s benefit I assume she will immediately apply for and will qualify for an unemployment benefit.

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  9. dad4justice (7,729 comments) says:

    She would be a great asset as a full time sticking pen worker in a piggery slaughterhouse.

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  10. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (856 comments) says:

    think about this, known mongrel mob associate goes to doctor, demands accreditation as “sick”

    Choices:

    refuse the certificate- get threatened, standover tactics etc, doctors are business people, they own their practices and need to stay open.

    or sign the certificate regardless of the truth of the matter – zero risk, zero comeback no grief, unless you become their “pet” certifying doctor.

    wonder which I would do?

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  11. Ross Miller (1,661 comments) says:

    And the answer as to how Labour managed to get the unemployment rate down ……………………… look and learn.

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  12. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    “I don’t care what people think. It’s emotional and physical. That’s all I’m going to say.”
    obviously her bark is worse than her bite

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  13. dime (9,368 comments) says:

    Goddam i love having a National government! No way this would have happened under Labour.

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  14. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    The deity is on to it. Our family GP has a full book of clients and is reluctant to take any others on for this very reason. She’s felt intimidated on several occasions in the past.

    This really situation bugs me. Stevens is the tip of the iceberg. Around nz there are untold people of her ilk, bred for state dependence in return for their vote. we have to find a way of making this type of person unacceptable to the majority of NZers.

    Bottom line: people who don’t care about their lack of contribution to society don’t deserve to live in a caring society.

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  15. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    It’s not so much the benefit system that needs reform – there are people who are genuinely too sick to work, and I agree that it is reasonable that we as a country support those people. There but for the grace of god go I, that kind of thing. But the implementation of that system, the way the rules are enforced, the way people are rehabilitated, those are very flawed at the moment.

    In short, we choose not to spend enough on MSD for them to do the job they should do of case managing each and every person on a benefit. Every one of them needs to have an action plan, a training plan, a rehabilitation plan, whatever it is, but something that is taking them towards a life that isn’t government funded. Sure, they may have a permanent disability that means the job they used to do they can no longer do. But they can retrain to do something else. That is what people used to do in the times before there were benefits – a benefit is supposed to ease your transition, not supposed to be there so you can opt out of the workforce forever.

    As for this specific case, it is sad that she was in an abusive relationship, it is sad that she has emotional issues, it is sad that she has arthritis. But she needs to harden up and get over it – however that happens. And then get herself a job that doesn’t involve hard labour (assuming that arthritis would make that difficult), and that allows her to move off a benefit. If her plan is that she is going to lie around whinging about how hard she has had it for the rest of her life, you’ve got to wonder why her life is worth living at all – she’s just marking time until she dies.

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  16. thedavincimode (6,528 comments) says:

    Patrick Starr says:

    “obviously her bark is worse than her bite”

    PS, presumably because she no longer has any teeth.

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  17. Brian Smaller (3,983 comments) says:

    “# Brian Smaller (818) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
    March 4th, 2009 at 7:52 am

    “The Accredited Doctor will rubber stamp her continued eligibility for the invalid’s benefit – what’s the bet? That woman is evidence that the system needs to be overhauled. ”

    And if the doctor does find her eligible, you will take that as proof of your suspicions?

    Yes I would in this case. I have enough things wrong with me that I could easily parley into a benefit if I wanted. Even easier if I showed up with my gang regalia on at the doctor’s surgery.

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  18. Fisiani (944 comments) says:

    Family doctors should not have to complete ongoing dodgy disability certificates for certain people. Few have the ability to stand up to intimidation and there is a perverse incentive to just sign the form to get them out the door for 3 months. Each region needs a panel of accredited doctors who have no ongoing medical relationship with the claimants to objectively assess such claims. There has been an epidemic of disability, which pays better than unemployed, under Labour

    The triad of arthritis, weak bones and emotional difficulties does not appear to be an insurmountable barrier to employment. If she is fit to seek work then she is fit to work. If she is bedbound she is unable to seek work.
    A simple solution would be allow GP’s to issue an initial disability certificate only but to have accredited doctors issue subsequent reviews.

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  19. Manolo (13,327 comments) says:

    She is nothing but another confirmed parasite used to living off the taxpayer.

    People of her ilk, the Whoars of this world, are the ones who make the reform of the welfare state a necessity, if New Zealand is to remain a viable nation.

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  20. KiwiGreg (3,169 comments) says:

    You might recall every gang member and his dog used to have medical certificates exempting them from wearing helmets on their motor bikes. Then the government said “if you are too ill to wear a helmet you are too ill to ride a bike” and the whole problem disappeared. So the issue of intimidation of the medical profession has a long standing tradition.

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  21. bharmer (686 comments) says:

    # Brian Smaller (819) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 0 Says:
    March 4th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    “# Brian Smaller (818) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
    March 4th, 2009 at 7:52 am

    “The Accredited Doctor will rubber stamp her continued eligibility for the invalid’s benefit – what’s the bet? That woman is evidence that the system needs to be overhauled. ”

    And if the doctor does find her eligible, you will take that as proof of your suspicions?

    Yes I would in this case. I have enough things wrong with me that I could easily parley into a benefit if I wanted. Even easier if I showed up with my gang regalia on at the doctor’s surgery.

    I have no special sympathy for this woman, but since we all seem to want an accredited doctor to make a decision, shouldn’t there be the possibility of the dcision going either way? Or is what you really want just a different “rubber stamp” – one that says “Rejected”?

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  22. oob (194 comments) says:

    Victoria Stevens is the poster-child for the Labour electorate.

    Just look at her – obese, ignorant, belligerent. A welfare beneficiary and a gang associate. She’s subhuman.

    This woman epitomises the Labour electorate.

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  23. Brian Smaller (3,983 comments) says:

    BHARMER – I think ‘rejected’ might do her the world of good. She might have to actually DO something.

    Victoria Stevens is the poster-child for the Labour electorate.

    Just look at her – obese, ignorant, belligerent. A welfare beneficiary and a gang associate. She’s subhuman.

    This woman epitomises the Labour electorate.

    Never a truer word spoken. She IS a parasite.

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  24. MT_Tinman (2,985 comments) says:

    # getstaffed (2912) Says:
    March 4th, 2009 at 9:01 am

    This really situation bugs me. Stevens is the tip of the iceberg. Around nz there are untold people of her ilk, bred for state dependence in return for their vote. we have to find a way of making this type of person unacceptable to the majority of NZers.

    Bottom line: people who don’t care about their lack of contribution to society don’t deserve to live in a caring society.

    I doubt that these people vote at all or are bred for their vote.

    They are bred so that bloody socialists have someone to point to when they proclaim they champion the “poor and down trodden” to attract the vote of the genuine poor (who have simply made poor or lazy choices) and the non-thinking.

    The first measure to deal with this problem is, of course, to get rid of this horrible universal franchise and make people earn their vote.

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  25. oob (194 comments) says:

    The first measure to deal with this problem is, of course, to get rid of this horrible universal franchise and make people earn their vote.

    Sharp!

    Is this concept;

    “Only those who contribute productively to society should have the right to a say in how that society is governed.”

    sellable?

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  26. maurieo (95 comments) says:

    (place tongue in cheek)
    Perhaps the benefit system should be restructured
    Fire all the beneficiaries and make them all reapply for their benefits
    To ease the burden on the system start with those whose surname starts with S and work towards Z then back to A
    do one letter of the alphabet per month and keep going when you get back to S start again
    Beneficiaries would then get to experience what its like for the rest of us!
    (remove tongue from cheek)

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  27. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Think that Vicky (Pollard) is Cunliffes bit on the side.

    He looked just as appealing in the House yesterday. Squawking like a demented Gerbil.

    And he runs the show, you know!!

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  28. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    It is good that a real Doctor gets to make the recommendation, not Dr Public Opinion.

    (FWIW, I am right alongside the righties in being very against having people collect my cash every week who are not sick, just lazy…)

    The lovely Vicki sounds like a pretty big strong lass but remember that there are differences between moments of exertion and an ability to stand and work for 8 hours with a 30 minute break in between.

    [DPF: How many jobs involve standing for eight hours a day? For fucks sake I know amputees who hold down fulltime jobs. ]

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  29. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    “The first measure to deal with this problem is, of course, to get rid of this horrible universal franchise and make people earn their vote.”

    Hear hear! No vote until you’ve got your first million in the bank. That should stop all of the poor people (oops I mean bad eggs) from having their say…

    [DPF: How about no vote until you've actually paid more tax than you've consumed? :-)]

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  30. Captain Crab (351 comments) says:

    If it quacks like a duck, its a duck.
    If it barks like a dog…

    Note how contrite she became after three days in the cells and then facing the threat of losing her fortnightly cheque. Good to see the Judge harden up in the face of this disrespect.

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  31. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Same prescrpiptionfor ratepayers. Don’t pay the rates no vote.

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  32. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    [DPF: How many jobs involve standing for eight hours a day? For fucks sake I know amputees who hold down fulltime jobs. ]

    Don’t get shitty with me Dr Farrar. I have a friend who worked at a well-known chain bookshop when she was 17, and had to do two 4-hour shifts with a 30minute lunch break in between. Sitting down was not permitted at any stage during the shifts because it makes the staff look lazy, apparently. Hard enough when you are young, fit & healthy like she was.

    [DPF: Of course some jobs involve standing. That is not the point. To qualify for the invalids Benefit she has to be incapable of pretty much any FT work - there are hundreds of thousands of jobs that do not require you to be standing all day]

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  33. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Universal franchise is still correct.

    Everyone entitled to vote should be allowed to vote.

    Disability pay is a political scam, and I actually don’t understand why it pays more than dole scum get.

    It should be renamed, impossible to work benefit. The bar is a lot higher then, and it should carry a small premium over unemployment rate to cover additional medical, access, and increased cost of sitting on your bum all day.

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  34. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    [DPF: How about no vote until you've actually paid more tax than you've consumed? :-)]

    I believe the French had such a system for a while. But the storming of the Bastille put a stop to that little undemocratic lark…

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  35. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    I have a friend who worked at a well-known chain bookshop when she was 17, and had to do two 4-hour shifts with a 30minute lunch break in between. Sitting down was not permitted at any stage during the shifts because it makes the staff look lazy, apparently. Hard enough when you are young, fit & healthy like she was.

    Sounds like a fully fabricated story. The first half of the first sentence was a dead give away.

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  36. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    That story is completely correct. (As I have assumed all your stories about your Porsches are.)

    Thank you once again for contributing some meaningless personal bullshit to what was otherwise a fairly topic-based discussion of something. :-P

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  37. dad4justice (7,729 comments) says:

    “Don’t get shitty with me Dr Farrar.”

    With a name like ratbiter no wonder no sane Doctor will go near such a lefty creep. Talk about shit for brains!

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  38. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    Good on you Dad, another valuable contribution to what we were talking about!

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  39. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    [DPF: How about no vote until you've actually paid more tax than you've consumed? :-)]

    But I am not surprised to see, here, the idea put forward that your rights to participate in democracy should be pegged to your money-making capacity (even if only in jest.)

    And then people of the Kiwiblog ilk wonder why the radical left are so anti business- and authority-figures!

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  40. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    [DPF: How about no vote until you've actually paid more tax than you've consumed? :-)]

    Well that depends on whether a vote is seen as a right by virtue of nationality, or a responsibility accorded to citizens based on societal contribution. The problem with it being treated as an absolute right is the unscrupulous governments who abuse their power to support supporters and to punish opponents.

    Increasing the supply of the welfare drug to the unproductive, and increasing the demand for taxation on the productive have been the hallmarks of the last such government.

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  41. MT_Tinman (2,985 comments) says:

    Rat first let me counter your story with my own.

    as Big Bruv will attest due to leg problems I can’t stand up for long periods at all but I still manage to rack up approx 60 working hours a week.

    I will also go further than DPF.

    Voting should be a privilege earned by all and those who are unable to prove they have knowledge and reasoning ability sufficient to understand what they are voting for should, along with those too lazy to be productive, be disqualified from taking any part in the choosing of a government.

    This includes the senile, the simple and the insane as well as the non-thinkers.

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  42. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Goddam i love having a National government! No way this would have happened under Labour.”

    biggest BS post of the week goes to this nickle back

    This bitch and her ilk was the reason Labour was jilted

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  43. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    “Don’t get shitty with me Dr Farrar. I have a friend who worked at a well-known chain bookshop when she was 17, and had to do two 4-hour shifts with a 30minute lunch break in between. Sitting down was not permitted at any stage during the shifts because it makes the staff look lazy, apparently. Hard enough when you are young, fit & healthy like she was.”

    What a sheltered life you have lead Ratbiter if this is the best anecdote you can come up with .

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  44. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    Sonny – perhaps. I was trying to argue a point with DPF, not establish my manhood or worldliness for your benefit.

    Next?

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  45. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    RB , and as for your understanding of European History.

    The French Revolution, and in particular the Storming of the Bastille was a socio-economic reaction to no suffrage from wefare beneficiaries?

    Now tell me about some more of your other friends. My dinner is ready soon. So you can be a quick as you like?

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  46. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    So if that’s your only example of a physically demanding job you must agree with DPF that there are a lot of non-physically demanding jobs out there?

    Not that she needs a non-physical job, I have arthritis and I used to work a physically demanding job standing up for 12 hours a day (gosh, I even worked up a sweat!), I couldn’t chew food or walk without drugs at the time. Arthritis means a lot of different things.

    Having been in an abusive relationship or having emotional difficulties are irrelevant to working, sitting at home doesn’t fix those. If these problems are serious then she should be in mental care.

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  47. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Having worked like a bastard for very many years. Weekends, and one day off. from 9 -1900 hrs, and then some paperwork to deal with at home. Along with customer issues etc.

    Attending exhibitions in London that were at the time 11 days long. and had to be on duty from 10-10pm without a day off for the duration. And only sitting when closing a deal.

    The youngsters these days are ignorant about what hard work is. I hasten to add that trawlermen, and a host of other occupations were and are a lot more onerous.

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  48. big bruv (13,217 comments) says:

    Seriously, why do we let beneficiaries and DPB recipents vote anyway?

    I have no issue with pensioners voting or the very few genuine sickness and invalids beneficiaries but I have never been able to work out why those who are on the dole get as much say as those of us who go out to work so these lazy bastards can do nothing all day.

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  49. big bruv (13,217 comments) says:

    “Having worked like a bastard for very many years. Weekends, and one day off. from 9 -1900 hrs”

    HA!….bloody luxury!!, I dreamed about working those hours when I were a lad………..:)

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  50. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Pure bloody luxury! Of course when we were younger, we had it really tough!!

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  51. Haiku Dave (273 comments) says:

    kiwiblog says i’m
    ok you’re not ok and
    therefore shouldn’t vote

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  52. Scott (1,699 comments) says:

    She actually sounds like she is possessed and needs prayer.

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  53. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,810 comments) says:

    Care in the community hasn’t worked out so well for little miss prissy pants.

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  54. sharon (1 comment) says:

    OMG I truly can’t believe my ears and eyes tonight watching TVNZ News and watching that big fat maggot who I and you are paying for on an invalids benefit tell the poor victims family they can get f@#ked!!! I am so so so sad that people like this are allowed to bring up their kids like mongrels and indeed that is what he has turned out to be while my hard earned money has put fags and bourbon and coke in her big fat lard arse!

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