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	<title>Comments on: SSC says Matthews to stay</title>
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		<title>By: Trevor Mallard</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541798</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Mallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They weren&#039;t politicised - that sometimes made relationships more difficult, but meant that our system has the integrity and continuity and avoids the payback that politicised systems are based on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They weren&#8217;t politicised &#8211; that sometimes made relationships more difficult, but meant that our system has the integrity and continuity and avoids the payback that politicised systems are based on.</p>
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		<title>By: calendar girl</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541794</link>
		<dc:creator>calendar girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.... and that Aussie and US systems are now &quot;politicised&quot; rather than &quot;corrupt&quot; as asserted earlier?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. and that Aussie and US systems are now &#8220;politicised&#8221; rather than &#8220;corrupt&#8221; as asserted earlier?</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541630</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Trevor, you&#039;re saying that under the previous government key appointments weren&#039;t politicised... or they were, and it made your life easier?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Trevor, you&#8217;re saying that under the previous government key appointments weren&#8217;t politicised&#8230; or they were, and it made your life easier?</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Mallard</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541622</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Mallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>getstaffed + Rex W- The information was certainly considered by Mark Prebble. Again it is a matter of timing, progress and opinion.  My main point is that if Ministers make those calls we end up with the politicised systems of Aussie and US - and my view is that while life would be easier for politicians the country would be poorer for it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>getstaffed + Rex W- The information was certainly considered by Mark Prebble. Again it is a matter of timing, progress and opinion.  My main point is that if Ministers make those calls we end up with the politicised systems of Aussie and US &#8211; and my view is that while life would be easier for politicians the country would be poorer for it</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541602</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aaaah, it all makes sense now.

I seem to remember Mr Prebs being a jolly good cover-er-upper of any hint of a SS managment scandle.

Still, looks like Rennie needs to get with the brun the deadwood program.   Sorry Barry but you do need to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aaaah, it all makes sense now.</p>
<p>I seem to remember Mr Prebs being a jolly good cover-er-upper of any hint of a SS managment scandle.</p>
<p>Still, looks like Rennie needs to get with the brun the deadwood program.   Sorry Barry but you do need to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541596</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mallard&#039;s right - Rennie didn&#039;t hire Matthews - that folly fell to his predecessor, Dr Mark Prebble, close associate of the former Prime Minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mallard&#8217;s right &#8211; Rennie didn&#8217;t hire Matthews &#8211; that folly fell to his predecessor, Dr Mark Prebble, close associate of the former Prime Minister.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541571</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agree about SSC expat. how many CEO&#039;s have they been through is the last while. I think they&#039;re in to their 3rd or 4th at MfE in the pat 3 years

(but certainly not as many ministers (5) as its had in the last 3 years)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree about SSC expat. how many CEO&#8217;s have they been through is the last while. I think they&#8217;re in to their 3rd or 4th at MfE in the pat 3 years</p>
<p>(but certainly not as many ministers (5) as its had in the last 3 years)</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541570</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>getstaffed, and as you allude to, perhaps Collins should look at the capability of the SSC in hiring deadwood in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>getstaffed, and as you allude to, perhaps Collins should look at the capability of the SSC in hiring deadwood in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541567</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor - I&#039;m interested in your response to Rex&#039;s question at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541462&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;6:09 PM&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor &#8211; I&#8217;m interested in your response to Rex&#8217;s question at <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541462" rel="nofollow">6:09 PM</a></p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthews is obviously a liability who knows how the rules of &#039;the system&#039; work.

I guess the State Services Commissioner isn&#039;t very good at managing deadwood out.  Perhaps there is a place to start for Collins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthews is obviously a liability who knows how the rules of &#8216;the system&#8217; work.</p>
<p>I guess the State Services Commissioner isn&#8217;t very good at managing deadwood out.  Perhaps there is a place to start for Collins.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Mallard</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541565</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Mallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rennie didn&#039;t employ Matthews. He was appointed before Rennie.

And to Georgebolwing - The way the process works is that at least once a year Ministers are approached by the Commissioner as part of the CE&#039;s performance review. The resulting  interviews are written up by the Commission and signed off by Ministers. It is not unusual for the Commissioner to seek Ministers&#039; views when there is some public controversy. The only case I was involved with that went to the Employment Court was Rankin - and it is a matter of record that I was not called.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rennie didn&#8217;t employ Matthews. He was appointed before Rennie.</p>
<p>And to Georgebolwing &#8211; The way the process works is that at least once a year Ministers are approached by the Commissioner as part of the CE&#8217;s performance review. The resulting  interviews are written up by the Commission and signed off by Ministers. It is not unusual for the Commissioner to seek Ministers&#8217; views when there is some public controversy. The only case I was involved with that went to the Employment Court was Rankin &#8211; and it is a matter of record that I was not called.</p>
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		<title>By: greenfly</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541467</link>
		<dc:creator>greenfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbaiter said: &quot;It will do us good to see how they think&quot; 
I smell epiphany!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbaiter said: &#8220;It will do us good to see how they think&#8221;<br />
I smell epiphany!</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541465</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t be rude to Mr. Mallard. 

Not so much on the basis of common courtesy (although he is due a modicum) but more on the basis that these people should be encouraged to come into the light.

It will do us good to see how they think, and them good for the fact that they&#039;re probably hearing views and opinons they would never have come across previously in the dark and smokey backrooms of the Labour party or in their narrow sheltered little left wing lives.

Give the man a go. After all, he&#039;s suffered almost a lifetime of contempt and sneers from his colleagues for being a straight man in the Labour Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t be rude to Mr. Mallard. </p>
<p>Not so much on the basis of common courtesy (although he is due a modicum) but more on the basis that these people should be encouraged to come into the light.</p>
<p>It will do us good to see how they think, and them good for the fact that they&#8217;re probably hearing views and opinons they would never have come across previously in the dark and smokey backrooms of the Labour party or in their narrow sheltered little left wing lives.</p>
<p>Give the man a go. After all, he&#8217;s suffered almost a lifetime of contempt and sneers from his colleagues for being a straight man in the Labour Party.</p>
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		<title>By: greenfly</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541463</link>
		<dc:creator>greenfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watched Collins on the news. She didn&#039;t have any spine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched Collins on the news. She didn&#8217;t have any spine.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541462</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>calendar girl has nailed the alient point here. In asking the SSC to investigate the competence of a chief executive one is, in effect, asking it to judge its own appointment and performance monitoring procedures. 

Matthews had proven woefully inadequate, overweeningly arrogant, and an utter failure in every position he&#039;s held in the past (head of INCIS, Commissioner of the WA Police) and ought never to have been appointed in the first place. That he was highlights substantial flaws in the SSC&#039;s appointments process.

Had they bothered to pick up the phone and ask his last employer (then WA Police Minister Michelle Roberts, with whom he had an appalling relationship), his subordinates (the WA Police force effectively went on strike, and he had to resort to ordering them back to work) or checked thee report of the Kennedy royal commission, which found that &quot;poor management within the service had allowed corruption to continue unimpeded&quot; then &lt;i&gt;surely&lt;/i&gt; the SSC wouldn&#039;t have advised the Minister of the day to go ahead with the appointment?

Since you&#039;re here, Trevor (and congratulations for engaging and for being so frank) do you believe the SSC met reasonable standards of performance in its handling of Matthews&#039; original appointment, given that the above is reasonable easily ascertained?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>calendar girl has nailed the alient point here. In asking the SSC to investigate the competence of a chief executive one is, in effect, asking it to judge its own appointment and performance monitoring procedures. </p>
<p>Matthews had proven woefully inadequate, overweeningly arrogant, and an utter failure in every position he&#8217;s held in the past (head of INCIS, Commissioner of the WA Police) and ought never to have been appointed in the first place. That he was highlights substantial flaws in the SSC&#8217;s appointments process.</p>
<p>Had they bothered to pick up the phone and ask his last employer (then WA Police Minister Michelle Roberts, with whom he had an appalling relationship), his subordinates (the WA Police force effectively went on strike, and he had to resort to ordering them back to work) or checked thee report of the Kennedy royal commission, which found that &#8220;poor management within the service had allowed corruption to continue unimpeded&#8221; then <i>surely</i> the SSC wouldn&#8217;t have advised the Minister of the day to go ahead with the appointment?</p>
<p>Since you&#8217;re here, Trevor (and congratulations for engaging and for being so frank) do you believe the SSC met reasonable standards of performance in its handling of Matthews&#8217; original appointment, given that the above is reasonable easily ascertained?</p>
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		<title>By: calendar girl</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541456</link>
		<dc:creator>calendar girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing that Trevor Mallard, in print, should describe political systems of our major allies (Australia and USA) as corrupt. That&#039;s not an action of a man who expects to want warm relationships in Canberra or Washington DC anytime soon.

I place no credibility in Iain Rennie&#039;s report. As employer of Barry Matthews, Rennie&#039;s team&#039;s own judgment is called into question, yet it has acted as judge and jury in its own cause. It had a serious conflict of interest, should have declared that conflict (if it had any understanding of accountability and equitable process) and commissioned an external agency to carry out a truly independent review. 

The Auditor-General&#039;s office is the place for that kind of inquiry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing that Trevor Mallard, in print, should describe political systems of our major allies (Australia and USA) as corrupt. That&#8217;s not an action of a man who expects to want warm relationships in Canberra or Washington DC anytime soon.</p>
<p>I place no credibility in Iain Rennie&#8217;s report. As employer of Barry Matthews, Rennie&#8217;s team&#8217;s own judgment is called into question, yet it has acted as judge and jury in its own cause. It had a serious conflict of interest, should have declared that conflict (if it had any understanding of accountability and equitable process) and commissioned an external agency to carry out a truly independent review. </p>
<p>The Auditor-General&#8217;s office is the place for that kind of inquiry.</p>
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		<title>By: Wycroft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wycroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Trevor, good points, though I don&#039;t think Judith ever waded so deeply into dangerous territory as to make the comments by your colleague Clayton Cosgrove (in his press release earlier) an accurate reflection of the situation.  But then, such is politics, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Trevor, good points, though I don&#8217;t think Judith ever waded so deeply into dangerous territory as to make the comments by your colleague Clayton Cosgrove (in his press release earlier) an accurate reflection of the situation.  But then, such is politics, right?</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cheek of Mallard talking about a corruption free country. What a bloody disgrace the man is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cheek of Mallard talking about a corruption free country. What a bloody disgrace the man is!</p>
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		<title>By: village idiot</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/ssc_says_matthews_to_stay.html#comment-541424</link>
		<dc:creator>village idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor Mallard thinks he can come here and explain things in simple language that anyone can understand. I&#039;m disgusted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor Mallard thinks he can come here and explain things in simple language that anyone can understand. I&#8217;m disgusted!</p>
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		<title>By: georgebolwing</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgebolwing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor

Welcome to kiwiblog.

Ignore some of the static and debate the issues.

In regards to the people you considered less than ideal, did you put these concerns in writing to the SSC and would you have been prepared to swear an oath in the employment court, repeat those concerns and allow yourself to be cross-examined by a QC?

In the absence of such a committment, I put it to you that the NZ system is also broken, (not corrupt, but just not working as well as it should) in that there is no culture of CEs taking personal responsibility for their own performance and that of their organisations. And that is because at the end of the day, they know that they will never to held to account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor</p>
<p>Welcome to kiwiblog.</p>
<p>Ignore some of the static and debate the issues.</p>
<p>In regards to the people you considered less than ideal, did you put these concerns in writing to the SSC and would you have been prepared to swear an oath in the employment court, repeat those concerns and allow yourself to be cross-examined by a QC?</p>
<p>In the absence of such a committment, I put it to you that the NZ system is also broken, (not corrupt, but just not working as well as it should) in that there is no culture of CEs taking personal responsibility for their own performance and that of their organisations. And that is because at the end of the day, they know that they will never to held to account.</p>
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