As it happens I agree with Garrett’s comments re paedophiles, three strikes and prison rape.

Now, your comments are sadly more of the same, you cannot help but retreat into labelling. I will try one more time, how about attacking his argument?, how about attacking his idea’s? , hell, you could even go as far as suggesting what alternatives the Greens might propose.

The difference between between Garrett, ACT and the Greens is that at least ACT & Garrett campaigned on the issue, they are part of government and have the mandate, in case you have forgotten crime was a major issue at the last election, the people want tougher punishments and the people will hold this government to account if they do not see a toughening up on crime and criminals.

I tend to agree with Garrett that pedophilia is not a disease but a sexuality. A particularly repugnant and thankfully unacceptable sexuality, but a sexuality all the same. Call it a disease of the mind if you like but as Garrett correctly points out homosexuality was once classified that way as well.

However if Garrett is calling for harsher sentences for pedophiles, hey I don’t care what research he cites. There is nothing more precious than a child’s innocence (their childhood).

Cletus, you’re struggling with comprehension. My apologies for using a nuanced diction of a complexity beyond your capacity*

To reiterate; engaging with you in debate is entirely pointless.

I’d like you to take something from this though. It would behove you to realise that the proletariat is not a mindless mass which you can bend to your purpose. There are a lot of decent Kiwis aware of the threat that the Green Party represents.

We’re significantly smarter than you. We control greater resources than you do. We’re better armed than you are.

And we’ll resist any attempt to enslave us.

(*) “Sorry for the big words.”

None of them were totally right, and none of them were totally wrong, as economic theorists. All have something to offer to the development of economics as an art (I vehemently deny it is a science).

I have not “latched onto Marx”, although I think his economic analysis can sometimes be useful, as can that of many other reputed economists, to understand how today’s economy operates.

As for the second half of your comment, you again lapse into abuse oob. It does you no credit, and if you continue with that approach will soon have the level of credibility here that d4j has.

If you are genuinely interested in debating economic theory, which I suspect you are not, put up or shut up.

Cletus, I don’t extend you the courtesy of argument.

I’ve read Marx and unlike you and your fellow Green Party members, I actually understand it. Hearing Marx poorly regurgitated in quotation, 150 years and 18,000 kilometres out of context, is a waste of my time.

Equally a waste of my time is trying to disabuse you of your zealotry. Like many simpletons, you’ve latched onto Marxism because it seemed correct to your limited intellect. Like all zealots, your defence against argument which challenges the shaky fundamentals of your idolatry is ad homien attack.

Your twisted ideology is anti-Kiwi. I’m a Kiwi; there simply isn’t scope to engage with you in rational debate. Should you chose to set aside barbarism and apply for admission into the ranks of civilised humanity, that could change. Unless and until you do, to decent Kiwis you’re merely an enemy of the people.

Engaging with you as if you were capable of positive contribution to discourse (let alone society) would be to afford you with respect that you do not deserve.

bruv, at least you challenge me, although your sole argument seems to be, backed by no evidence, that Garrett “reflects the views of the people”.

Well, tell me bruv, how many of “the people” support this?

Garrett:

Paedophiles, like homosexuals, 30 years ago homosexuals had, according to experts, a disease and they needed to be cured and it was a spectacular failure because homosexuality is a sexual orientation, so we decided that because there were 10 per cent of people who were homosexual it was no longer a disease. Paedophiles cannot be cured any better than …

or this:

David Garrett dismissed a report by Attorney-General Chris Finlayson that found three strikes had an apparent inconsistency with the section of Bill of Rights protecting New Zealanders against cruel, degrading or disproportionately severe punishment.

Mr Garrett had not read the report, but told of its findings yesterday said: “So what?”

“Alter the Bill of Rights Act. We’ve got too hung up on people’s rights.”

or this, supporting rectal rape in prison as a deterrent:

“I am further interested to note Dr Greg Newbold’s remarks about homosexual rape – an issue he is on record as saying has never been a major problem in New Zealand prisons. Rape is a crime wherever it occurs, and can be dealt with in the same way as any other offence committed in prison.

“The fact is: if you don’t want to be assaulted – or worse – by a cellmate, avoid prison by not committing a crime,” Mr Garrett said.

Come on bruv. Even you can’t support that sort of extremist approach.

Don’t educate bruv, eradicate. You’re never going to deprogramme the communists, the fervency of their ideological sycophancy is insurmountable.

The pinko’s really are worried about Garrett reflecting the views of the people, this man must be stopped.

You simply cannot have anybody who does not share your fucked up liberal view of the world, obviously you cannot attack his argument as that is basically sound so you attack him using all the usual labels so common to the left.

How about this Toad, why don’t you try one post where you attack his argument?, attack his ideas without the labelling bullshit, prove to me that you are not just a desperate commie who can see his dream of a socialist state disappearing before his eyes.

Go on Toad, lets see how you get on, frankly your desperate desire to silence those who do not agree with you should be a major concern to everybody who has an interest in democracy, I used to think you were one of the more reasonable Watermelons, sadly I was wrong, you are just as vicious, nasty and desperate to force your will on the rest of us as Comrade Bradford, Norman and the rest of your communist tribe.

This from the Green Party, the New Zealand equivalent to Cambodia’s Khmer Rouge.

liberty, fairness and justice? From the Green Party? The same Green Party that has a vision for New Zealand where we all live in mud huts and only Caucasians that wear eye glasses have to work on the state farms? You couldn’t make this stuff up.

Well, firstly, I don’t accept Garrett was not elected. He was properly elected according to New Zealand electoral law, and I will defend his right to sit in Parliament. He represents a constituency, albeit one I consider extremist, and as an elected MP should not be curtailed from expressing his opinions by any mechanism other than the internal mechanisms of the ACT Party (the self-styled “liberal party”, you recall) under whose auspices he was elected.

What should happen, Patrick, is that those of us who value liberty, fairness, and justice stand up and vehemently oppose Garrett for all we are worth. To attempt to prevent him from expressing his abhorrent views would be to become like him though – a person who has no respect for fundamental human rights.

And without wishing to totally Godwin the thread, you know where that leads.

bugger it – COMMIE

- what’s not to like?