Comments on: Finlayson on Treaty settlements

By: Chris Rennie

Chris Rennie — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:05:23 +0000

Redbaiter says:”Whatever price anything changes hands for at any given time is its true worth at that time”. Only if there is an fully informed market. That’s why we have anti-insider trading legislation. In the deal Finlayson refers to the Govt was probably well aware of the true market value of the land – but in any case it wasn’t an ordinary deal, because the Govt (Crown) had a fiduciary duty in law as trustee to the tribe involved to protect its interests, which it apparently did not. English law (remember, that’s the one we’re all equal before because of article three in the treaty of cession) and now NZ law is quite clear on that.

By: Patrick Starr

Patrick Starr — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:11:46 +0000

and its fucken rich that I lose my next tax cut so these pricks can get another handout.
The recession is only for the whiteys I guess

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10568131

By: Patrick Starr

Patrick Starr — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:38:27 +0000

AG. If maori are the race receiving preferential treatment, then the races not receiving the same treatment are, by definition oppressed.
If the ‘maori party’ are part of the government then they could be considered, under the Rome Statute, as that ‘institutionalised regime’

“Drop me your email, and we’ll do business” – I seriously doubt you have ever done any business in your life

By: Redbaiter

Redbaiter — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:43:52 +0000

You should have quit while you were behind.

By: AG

AG — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:40:16 +0000

“They told me they moonlight on K’ road and Hunter’s Corner, so they’re more likely to be your sisters.”

Gosh. Hooking on Auckland’s streets. That’s quite a commute for them!

Now, in addition to your obvious addiction to internet activity, you’re telling us you frequent the company of women who require money before providing sexual favours. You do realise the picture this is painting of you as a person, yes?

By: Redbaiter

Redbaiter — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:28:50 +0000

They told me they moonlight on K’ road and Hunter’s Corner, so they’re more likely to be your sisters.

By: AG

AG — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:24:06 +0000

“..and anyway, we have a group of maids who do washing and stuff.”

What a way to describe your sisters. Shocking.

By: AG

AG — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:23:34 +0000

PS:

“(and just in case you’re really thick – I didnt make a claim that kiwis are systemically oppressing and dominating maori- other way around numpty)”

If you honestly, genuinely, truthfully believe that maori are systematically oppressing and dominating “kiwis”, then the numpty is you. It is. Really.

I also have a bridge I’d like to sell you. ‘Cause you’re clearly gullible enough to buy it. Drop me your email, and we’ll do business.

By: Redbaiter

Redbaiter — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:17:57 +0000

“Can she do the washing with all your papers lying round?”

Its digitised you moron.

..and anyway, we have a group of maids who do washing and stuff.

By: Patrick Starr

Patrick Starr — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:11:10 +0000

AG
what part of preferential treatment of one race over another by a government don’t you understand? – I’m not talking about whether its been successful or not, neither does the Rome Statute
(and just in case you’re really thick – I didnt make a claim that kiwis are systemically oppressing and dominating maori- other way around numpty)

By: Elvis Christ

Elvis Christ — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:09:04 +0000

“Treaty settlements are good for the whole country. There has been much talk of economic stimulus recently. Treaty settlements help unlock the economic development potential which exists in the regions and in the Maori community.” Really ? Isn’t this a case of the government “picking winners” with taxpayers instead the market deciding the best way to invest that money (assuming the money remained in the hands of taxpayers).

What makes Maori anymore deserving of fiscal stimulus than any other group ? What makes Maori any better at investing the money than taxpayers ? This just sounds like a convenient cover for robbing the taxpayer to give money to a vocal pressure group.

By: Redbaiter

Redbaiter — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:59:49 +0000

The only interesting statistic on that mish mash of a site is that of the 100,000 Maori estimated to live in Australia, only about 600 voted for the Maori Party. That’s almost worthy of a sneer, but seeing it is a matter attached to one of your posts, not quite worth even that. I’ll just give it a guffaw. Haw haw.

“You seem to think that the definition of “apartheid” somehow is relevant to NZ.”

Whatever a thing may seem to you hardly has much attachment to reality. It was your groan inducing soul mate Nigel who first broached that issue.

As for the paternalism of the bleeding heart liberals, it could quite easily fit the definition you have chosen- “an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination”. Something is keeping the Maori down, and the only thing that hasn’t been tried here is leaving them alone.

As they are left alone in Australia, where 100,000 of them choose to live.

By: RainbowGlobalWarming

RainbowGlobalWarming — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:49:13 +0000

and the rest of the western world looks on and laughs.

By: AG

AG — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:43:31 +0000

PS;

You seem to think that the definition of “apartheid” somehow is relevant to NZ. This is not entirely self evident. You need more argument to make the link. In particular, you need to spell out just how Pakeha have established “an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination” over Maori. Do you mean through the educational system (which fails Maori at a far higher rate than non-Maori)? Or through the prisons (which contain a far higher proportion of Maori than non-Maori)? Or is it through the labour market (which concentrates Maori in low-skill/low-paid/seasonal work, or denies them work at all)? Some more detail to back up your claim that Pakeha are systemically oppressing and dominating Maori, please.

By: AG

AG — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:38:18 +0000

“Do you ever ask yourself how Maori manage to succeed in Australia? How they do it without the guiding hand and help of pissant patronizing liberals like you? Think about it you bottom shelf dimwit.”

Sigh. Once again reddy takes a complex issue, simplifies it out of recognition, then triumphantly wields it as a killer blow in the argument (all the while spewing his customary abuse and buster to distract from the threadbare nature of his arguments). Anyone really interested in the reasons why some Maori are comparatively more successful in Australia than in NZ should start with Paul Hamer’s report for TPK (available at http://ips.ac.nz/staff/team/Paul%20Hamer.html).

reddy – I assume it is a part of your bulging evidence file of useful information that backs up your every claim? But tell me – has your Mom asked to have her basement back yet? Can she do the washing with all your papers lying round?

By: Patrick Starr

Patrick Starr — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:33:44 +0000

huh – I wonder if the maori party being part of the government makes the allegation of an aparthied system far more relevant than it has been before? – after all NZ is a signatory to the Rome Statute
Aparthied – “the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime”

By: Redbaiter

Redbaiter — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:53:06 +0000

without the guiding hand of help of pissant patronizing liberals like you.

By: Redbaiter

Redbaiter — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:49:08 +0000

“Baiter, go home to South Africa circa 1965,”

You clod hopping black hole dense ignoramus. It is your kind of thinking that is taking us back to apartheid when most civilized nations have recognised the need to move away from it.

There is no need for Maori to be a separate race in this country.

Abolish every government department pandering to Maori and you will find the improvements you seek so much quicker.

Do you ever ask yourself how Maori manage to succeed in Australia? How they do it with the guiding hand and help of pissant patronizing liberals like you? Think about it you bottom shelf dimwit.

By: Nigel

Nigel — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:41:47 +0000

ssb, you are not seriously suggesting Nga Tahu have not invested wisely & are not increasing the productivity of their tribe are you ?.

Have the settlements produced some instant miracle of productivity, of course not, are they making a difference that is positive & will that increase accelerate I believe so.

‘Baiter, go home to South Africa circa 1965, either that or get that chip off your shoulder, you & H1 are absolutely two peas out of the same pod when it comes to having philosophical blinkers.

By: Redbaiter

Redbaiter — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:42:19 +0000

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