Harre labels Cosgrove’s comments disgraceful

April 20th, 2009 at 2:30 pm by David Farrar

I blogged earlier today about Clayton Cosgrove’s comments. On Nine to Noon politics called them unhelpful. That was restrained to who said:

I think Matthew’s description of ’s comments as unhelpful should be restated as “disgraceful”.

Matthew responded he was being subtle, and Laila said that in relation to Clayton Cosgrove there is no need to be. She continued:

His comments are utterly disgraceful.

Finally Laila said she was ashamed to see Labour behave like this. I suspect many in Labour feel the same.

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20 Responses to “Harre labels Cosgrove’s comments disgraceful”

  1. jacob van hartog (309 comments) says:

    This is waht CC said

    In 1996, under a National government, 80 percent of those released from prison were reconvicted within 2 years, in 2005, under the Labour Government, that figure had reduced to 55.4 percent.

    Dr Sharples seems to care little for victims of crime if he believes that allowing violent offenders to go flatting or be given special privileges based on race is an appropriate punishment.”

    remember too that numbers of polynesians ( not maori) are also have very high offending rates, nothing for them from Sharples

    ..Targeted rehabilitative programmes delivered within the mainstream prison system are appropriate and their benefits should continue to be explored…

    How disgraceful is that !!. DPF has been fed mischievous bullshit from research unit.

    Remember when he and a mate , who were working in the NP lies/ research unit made up a story that Michael Laws had been assassinated ?

    [DPF: 20 demerits. I've been fed nothing by the Research Unit you plonker. And bringin up a practical joke from 15 years ago is so sad]

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  2. Grant Michael McKenna (1,156 comments) says:

    I am happy to see Labour acting like this. The more they show themselves as being knee-jerk conservatives the longer they’ll be in opposition.

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  3. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,827 comments) says:

    Fart Vanhog, what Glogsgrove actually said was that if your wife or daughter got raped by a Pakeha, he would go to jail but if she got raped by a Maori he would go to flatting in a holiday home.

    Go bury your fat head.

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  4. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    NAtional’s leadership should be very cautious about any policy endorsement from the extreme leftist Laila Harre. She’s never topped any popularity polls, especially with National voters.

    Cosgrove of course is an idiot, but National might just have to finally start listening to NZ’s mainstream and not pandering to the Maori Party.

    The only thing that will ever help or change the situation for Maori is to stop treating them differently.

    I think its what mainstream NZ believes. Why can’t the Nats get it?

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  5. dime (9,640 comments) says:

    redbaiter – agreed. race based policy needs to come to an end.

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  6. jacob van hartog (309 comments) says:

    (Herr Adolf says this )…Glogsgrove actually said was that if your wife or daughter got raped by a Pakeha, he would go to jail but if she got raped by a Maori he would go to flatting in a holiday home.

    This is the exact quote from CC
    http://www.labour.org.nz/news/separate-maori-prison-system-ignores-victims-and-common-sense

    “Is it the case that if you are attacked by a Pakeha the offender goes to prison, but if you are attacked by a Moari, your offender could end up flatting with their mates? How is that fair for victims?”

    “In all the talk about a separate Maori Prison system and ‘healing’ inmates, victims rights to be healed and to see their perpetrator held to account for their actions have been lost.

    See the difference

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  7. Neil (570 comments) says:

    Redbaiter’s comments are the same comments made by “mainstream” NZers for years. Incarceration numbers and crime have not decreased with maori. Any news from South Auckland invariably includes a maori/pacific name.
    Why continue failure ? Why not try something different?
    As for Clayton Cosgrove !! He reminds me of one of the Beagle Boys in old Mickey Mouse comics. While he does identify perhaps with stupid hardliners, he is well known to be the bully of the House of Representatives. He is a representative of an ugly side of Labour with no vision, style or any charisma.
    Let’s try things, that’s what I like about the present government.

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  8. jacob van hartog (309 comments) says:

    Neil is wrong wrong wrong

    In 1996, under a National government, 80 percent of those released from prison were reconvicted within 2 years, in 2005, under the Labour Government, that figure had reduced to 55.4 percent.

    If there is any rehabilitation programs then they are available for Maori, islander, paheka and so on.

    The Maori party aim is to produce a separate prison system, probably tribally based as well, with the funding controlled by the Maori party.

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  9. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    “Why continue failure ? Why not try something different?”
    Yep, and by giving further separate treatment for Maori continues that long line of failure – which is probably responsible for the high crime statistics
    I said on the other thread – we’ve not tried taking away all the preferential treatment maori get, neither ever demanded maori be raised without the oppressed indigenous victim mentality that’s drummed into their heads from the moment they can hear, and carry’s on as part of our state funded curriculum and continues as part of every day NZ life neither taking their benefits off them if they don’t raise their kids properly, neither stopped making excuses for their every wrong doing
    Whats the rejuvenation of things like kapa haka done over the past 30 years to reduce maori crime? – just teaches them more aggression

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  10. paradigm (507 comments) says:

    If “Maori culture” causes increased crime as the statistics suggest, then trying to treat the problem by adding more “Maori culture” must be equivalent to pouring petrol on the fire. Try taking away the “Maori culture” and instead teach something that the cultures less involved in crime have in plenty and Maori lack IE education, sense of social responsibility. This will probably give a better result.

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  11. goodgod (1,363 comments) says:

    One law for all. One justice system, one set of correctional programs. The colour of your skin does not influence your crime and it should not influence your sentence or rehabilitation. People are people.

    A targeted rehab program, based on the same sub-culture the criminal developed in cannot break the cycle. It’s just handing them straight back to the elements that got them to prison. That’s why it fails, not that it wasn’t “targeted”. A targetted program sails dangerously close to eugenics. You’d have to believe that maori are genetically disadvantaged in some way.

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  12. Inventory2 (10,166 comments) says:

    jacob vh said ““Is it the case that if you are attacked by a Pakeha the offender goes to prison, but if you are attacked by a Moari, your offender could end up flatting with their mates? How is that fair for victims?”

    “In all the talk about a separate Maori Prison system and ‘healing’ inmates, victims rights to be healed and to see their perpetrator held to account for their actions have been lost.

    See the difference”

    I see the difference jvh. The difference is that both offenders will be sentenced to a term of imprisonment, to be served at an institution that doesn’t discriminate by way of race. Towards the end of the sentence, both offenders will have a pre-release process to prepare them for a return to the community, given that Corrections can’t just keep people locked up indefinitely. In the case of the Maori dude, there might be one more option available to the authorities – the Sharples option.

    To imply that the Maori will have a completely different sentence – “flatting with their mates” is at best mischievious – but I’m not prepared to cut Cosgrove that much slack. This was nowt but a racist dog-whistle from him, and you seem pretty attuned to his frequency.

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  13. davidp (3,556 comments) says:

    jvh>In 1996, under a National government, 80 percent of those released from prison were reconvicted within 2 years, in 2005, under the Labour Government, that figure had reduced to 55.4 percent.

    This is almost certainly connected with Labour’s inability to catch and convict criminals. Not something they’d probably want to boast about.

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  14. tvb (4,240 comments) says:

    The Labour Party have one solution for maori and that is WELFARE. And with widespread poverty in the 1930′s maori were grateful to the Labour Party for social security. But times have moved on and maori have realised that social security have not changed things much for many maori except to lock them into relative poverty. And now the Labour Party have been exposed. They want maori to be mainlined with welfare, to shut up and vote Labour.

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  15. Ross Miller (1,677 comments) says:

    Clayton Cosgrove is a Labour ‘heavy’ who could well moonlight as a Mafia enforcer making concrete shoes (and he needs to buy himself a decent razor – and not just because he might slip and cut his throat). But really he is all piss and wind.

    Recently Phil Coff has waxed eloquent about the National Party daring to appoint their own to Government Boards. The cant and huibris is sickening. I first met the Claytons Clayton when I was appointed to the Lottery Grants Board back in 1991. For my sins (many) I inhereted an oversight role of Lottery Youth which was chaired by a certain Clayton C. At the first meeting I discovered that the ENTIRE Committee comprised members of Young Labour. It was downhill from thereonin until we managed to replace them with a more balanced appointees; yes there were a couple of appointees with links to the National Party but there were others (the majority) drawn from a wide range of young Kiwis.

    Cosgrove is a bully who like most of that ilk, runs a mile when the going gets tough. He campaigned against ‘Boy Racers’ (to no great effect) but in doing so only took the offensive when he sought (demanded) Police protection.

    One hears that at St Bedes (his old College) he was so popular that he managed to sit by himself at break.

    Clayton Cosgrove is probably the best living example I could think of as a TV front man for ‘Ponzi’ schemes.

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  16. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    I don’t think there’s many who don’t see Cosgrove as a useless arsehole, but that’s not really the issue is it?

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  17. dad4justice (7,957 comments) says:

    ” he is all piss and wind”

    Yes poor Clayton was bullied at school and fears the Belfast Tavern, haha, what another disgrace to the Saint Bedes Old Boys Association.

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  18. Murray M (455 comments) says:

    Why not just make prison a place where nobody, regardless of race, wants to go back to.

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  19. petal (705 comments) says:

    I’m not surprised by the jacob van hartog’s of the world having something to say, or what they have to say, but I am constantly amazed at the time they seem to have available to say it.

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  20. Crusader (294 comments) says:

    Question. Does Laila Harre hold the world record for the number of times someone says “y’know” in a sentence?
    Has anyone else wondered this while listening to her?
    (The bits between the “y’know”s are all drivel anyway, trying to count the “y’know”s makes it more entertaining listening to her talk).

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