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	<title>Comments on: Human Rights at threat in Fiji</title>
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		<title>By: dave strings</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552870</link>
		<dc:creator>dave strings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One man unilaterally &quot;cancelling&quot; a constitution is an affront to all free men (I include women in the collective noun) and a state of terrorism should be declared in Fiji.  That way there would be recognisable cause for a coalition of the free to arrest the terrorists and bring them before the international court at The Hague.  This, to my mind, is the only way to show 
- the Fijian citizens that their freedom is important to those of us who enjoy freedom, 
- the terrorists, led by Commodore Bainimarama, that they will not be allowed to live off the plight of others, and
- any other would be terrorists that they will not prevail.

IN the same way that the Irish Republican Army (IRA) was a terrorist group, and Liberatore Quebec was a terrorist group and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE or Tamil Tigers) ARE a terrorist group, each in their own country, so too is Bainimarama and his military junta terrorists in theirs.  It is time we led the free world to do something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One man unilaterally &#8220;cancelling&#8221; a constitution is an affront to all free men (I include women in the collective noun) and a state of terrorism should be declared in Fiji.  That way there would be recognisable cause for a coalition of the free to arrest the terrorists and bring them before the international court at The Hague.  This, to my mind, is the only way to show<br />
- the Fijian citizens that their freedom is important to those of us who enjoy freedom,<br />
- the terrorists, led by Commodore Bainimarama, that they will not be allowed to live off the plight of others, and<br />
- any other would be terrorists that they will not prevail.</p>
<p>IN the same way that the Irish Republican Army (IRA) was a terrorist group, and Liberatore Quebec was a terrorist group and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE or Tamil Tigers) ARE a terrorist group, each in their own country, so too is Bainimarama and his military junta terrorists in theirs.  It is time we led the free world to do something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: radar</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552680</link>
		<dc:creator>radar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Commodore&#039;s unofficial Fijian ambassador to the NZ blogosphere - Adolf Fiikenstein - still operating? Can he give us the low down on the necessity of the Fijian police telling editors what they can and can&#039;t run in their papers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Commodore&#8217;s unofficial Fijian ambassador to the NZ blogosphere &#8211; Adolf Fiikenstein &#8211; still operating? Can he give us the low down on the necessity of the Fijian police telling editors what they can and can&#8217;t run in their papers?</p>
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		<title>By: Banana Llama</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552668</link>
		<dc:creator>Banana Llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lmao there is a bit more than fish stock out there Davidp and it is in New Zealands interest to have stable governments in the south pacific when that gold rush begins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lmao there is a bit more than fish stock out there Davidp and it is in New Zealands interest to have stable governments in the south pacific when that gold rush begins.</p>
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		<title>By: peteremcc</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552664</link>
		<dc:creator>peteremcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would a military intervention take?

I&#039;m not suggesting we&#039;re there yet, but am interested in where we might be heading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would a military intervention take?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting we&#8217;re there yet, but am interested in where we might be heading.</p>
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		<title>By: baxter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552638</link>
		<dc:creator>baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAVID P::::::::::::I agree with you the Commonwealth is a useless relic of a bygone and saner age........As for the article on Fiji it is useless, and could have been written by an arch opponent  of Commodore Frank, perhaps by the last guy to carry out a coup.Whenever the issue is discussed by Fijian citizens or NZ business men dealing with Fiji on Talkback the support runs about 90 per cent in favour of the coup. During the duration of this coup thousands of NZ holidaymakers have visited the place and enjoyed the quiet peaceful environs, I doubt that will change.  NZ should either offer to help or leave Fiji to find their own solutions. Perhaps the United Nations Development Fund could assist the progress to democracy with some financial backing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAVID P::::::::::::I agree with you the Commonwealth is a useless relic of a bygone and saner age&#8230;&#8230;..As for the article on Fiji it is useless, and could have been written by an arch opponent  of Commodore Frank, perhaps by the last guy to carry out a coup.Whenever the issue is discussed by Fijian citizens or NZ business men dealing with Fiji on Talkback the support runs about 90 per cent in favour of the coup. During the duration of this coup thousands of NZ holidaymakers have visited the place and enjoyed the quiet peaceful environs, I doubt that will change.  NZ should either offer to help or leave Fiji to find their own solutions. Perhaps the United Nations Development Fund could assist the progress to democracy with some financial backing.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552632</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banana Llama&gt;Davidp you are quite mistaken, look up EEZ and see who are in the top 10.

So NZ&#039;s interest in Fiji is in seeing that it doesn&#039;t sell its fish to China?  I&#039;m scratching my head, but can&#039;t for the life of me see how Fijian fishery policy would be a foreign affairs issue for NZ. But if it is, then should the fishery policy of every other country on the planet also be reason to involve ourselves in their affairs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banana Llama&gt;Davidp you are quite mistaken, look up EEZ and see who are in the top 10.</p>
<p>So NZ&#8217;s interest in Fiji is in seeing that it doesn&#8217;t sell its fish to China?  I&#8217;m scratching my head, but can&#8217;t for the life of me see how Fijian fishery policy would be a foreign affairs issue for NZ. But if it is, then should the fishery policy of every other country on the planet also be reason to involve ourselves in their affairs?</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552623</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid&gt;The Commonwealth grouping is every bit as important to its members as ASEAN, SEATO, NATO, BRIC, the EU etc is to its members. 

I assume that you&#039;re taking the piss here. The EU is a supernational government organisation with courts, a constitution, a parliament, a set of laws that are binding on member countries, a set of leaders, and treaties. Whereas the Commonwealth is a chatfest and some games every four years. BRIC isn&#039;t even that... it is an informal term for &quot;developing countries&quot; and a single summit of developing country leaders. And SEATO was dissolved back in the 1970s.

I&#039;d be quite happy for NZ to pull out of the Commonwealth. It costs us money, if only for our PM or Foreign Minister to fly to regular meetings. And the benefits to NZ of regular meetings with Cameroon, Antigua, St Lucia, and Gambia are nil. I don&#039;t see the point of an international games that selects its competitors from a subset of countries. Why compete against the Seychelles, Namibia, Jamaica, and and Kiribati but exclude the US, Germany, and Russia?... It is just an odd idea. If the point is just to have a fun time playing sport, then why not open it up to anyone who cares to attend, regardless of country of origin, like the Arafura Games does?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid&gt;The Commonwealth grouping is every bit as important to its members as ASEAN, SEATO, NATO, BRIC, the EU etc is to its members. </p>
<p>I assume that you&#8217;re taking the piss here. The EU is a supernational government organisation with courts, a constitution, a parliament, a set of laws that are binding on member countries, a set of leaders, and treaties. Whereas the Commonwealth is a chatfest and some games every four years. BRIC isn&#8217;t even that&#8230; it is an informal term for &#8220;developing countries&#8221; and a single summit of developing country leaders. And SEATO was dissolved back in the 1970s.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be quite happy for NZ to pull out of the Commonwealth. It costs us money, if only for our PM or Foreign Minister to fly to regular meetings. And the benefits to NZ of regular meetings with Cameroon, Antigua, St Lucia, and Gambia are nil. I don&#8217;t see the point of an international games that selects its competitors from a subset of countries. Why compete against the Seychelles, Namibia, Jamaica, and and Kiribati but exclude the US, Germany, and Russia?&#8230; It is just an odd idea. If the point is just to have a fun time playing sport, then why not open it up to anyone who cares to attend, regardless of country of origin, like the Arafura Games does?</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552617</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judges do not have the market cornered on objectivity. Many are partisan political activists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judges do not have the market cornered on objectivity. Many are partisan political activists.</p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552612</link>
		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do not have the rule of law in Fiji when Judges can be removed, at will, presumably backed up by the barrel of a gun - so everyone falls into line even the judges.  So everything is just on free flow, with the ones prepared to use force calling the shots.  It is not a safe country to visit and anyone booking a holiday there is plain stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do not have the rule of law in Fiji when Judges can be removed, at will, presumably backed up by the barrel of a gun &#8211; so everyone falls into line even the judges.  So everything is just on free flow, with the ones prepared to use force calling the shots.  It is not a safe country to visit and anyone booking a holiday there is plain stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: goodgod</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552604</link>
		<dc:creator>goodgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going on the reports our media have shown, the big story in Fiji is that you can&#039;t get a story in Fiji.  But then our media doesn&#039;t get stories in NZ either - they&#039;re mainly public relations releases.  It&#039;s difficult to wound up about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going on the reports our media have shown, the big story in Fiji is that you can&#8217;t get a story in Fiji.  But then our media doesn&#8217;t get stories in NZ either &#8211; they&#8217;re mainly public relations releases.  It&#8217;s difficult to wound up about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552600</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pablo’s got a good post on it at KiwiPolitico.&quot;

Kiwipolitico??

Oh yeah, we&#039;ll get objective reports there for sure.

For fuck&#039;s sake. Are you serious????

I give up on you Reid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pablo’s got a good post on it at KiwiPolitico.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kiwipolitico??</p>
<p>Oh yeah, we&#8217;ll get objective reports there for sure.</p>
<p>For fuck&#8217;s sake. Are you serious????</p>
<p>I give up on you Reid.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael E</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552599</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before anyone decides to go to Fiji for a winter break, remember that there is a 12.5% VAT on everything you buy, plus an additional 5% Hotel Bed tax for accomodation and meals/drinks purchased at hotels.  

All that money props up the military junta, so stay away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before anyone decides to go to Fiji for a winter break, remember that there is a 12.5% VAT on everything you buy, plus an additional 5% Hotel Bed tax for accomodation and meals/drinks purchased at hotels.  </p>
<p>All that money props up the military junta, so stay away.</p>
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		<title>By: MT_Tinman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552594</link>
		<dc:creator>MT_Tinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All those quotes and stories &quot;emerging&quot; from a heavily censored country with no freedom.

How?

[DPF: The Internet]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All those quotes and stories &#8220;emerging&#8221; from a heavily censored country with no freedom.</p>
<p>How?</p>
<p>[DPF: The Internet]</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552578</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who is to know what is really going down in Fiji?&quot;

Pablo&#039;s got a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2009/04/the-parallels-between-fiji-and-thailand/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good post on it&lt;/a&gt; at KiwiPolitico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who is to know what is really going down in Fiji?&#8221;</p>
<p>Pablo&#8217;s got a <a href="http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2009/04/the-parallels-between-fiji-and-thailand/" rel="nofollow">good post on it</a> at KiwiPolitico.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552575</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well hell, there&#039;s many facets to Fiji problems, but with nine out of ten of today&#039;s media being leftist liars, how does that effect the principle of press freedom?? 

It was a principle that was well applied when the media were true to their craft. 

Nowadays, with &#039;advocacy&#039; journalism being the norm, and with the industry over flowing with partisan propagandists, liars, traitors and globalists of the leftist persuasion, I&#039;m not so sure.

There&#039;s many a journalist writing in NZ who, if their bodies were swinging from Wellington lamp posts at the end of hemp rope, would be doing a lot more good for freedom.

Who is to know what is really going down in Fiji?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well hell, there&#8217;s many facets to Fiji problems, but with nine out of ten of today&#8217;s media being leftist liars, how does that effect the principle of press freedom?? </p>
<p>It was a principle that was well applied when the media were true to their craft. </p>
<p>Nowadays, with &#8216;advocacy&#8217; journalism being the norm, and with the industry over flowing with partisan propagandists, liars, traitors and globalists of the leftist persuasion, I&#8217;m not so sure.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s many a journalist writing in NZ who, if their bodies were swinging from Wellington lamp posts at the end of hemp rope, would be doing a lot more good for freedom.</p>
<p>Who is to know what is really going down in Fiji?</p>
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		<title>By: Banana Llama</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552572</link>
		<dc:creator>Banana Llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davidp you are quite mistaken, look up EEZ and see who are in the top 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davidp you are quite mistaken, look up EEZ and see who are in the top 10.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552571</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Reid… The Commonwealth is a grouping of countries that have nothing in common except for a colonial history.&quot;

Well apparently, member nations of such organisations regard them with importance despite what you may think, david. The Commonwealth grouping is every bit as important to its members as ASEAN, SEATO, NATO, BRIC, the EU etc is to its members.  

As for China, there&#039;s been a proxy war for dominance in the Pacific waged for many years now, so far limited to chequebook diplomacy. This is not my opinion but a matter of record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Reid… The Commonwealth is a grouping of countries that have nothing in common except for a colonial history.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well apparently, member nations of such organisations regard them with importance despite what you may think, david. The Commonwealth grouping is every bit as important to its members as ASEAN, SEATO, NATO, BRIC, the EU etc is to its members.  </p>
<p>As for China, there&#8217;s been a proxy war for dominance in the Pacific waged for many years now, so far limited to chequebook diplomacy. This is not my opinion but a matter of record.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552564</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid... The Commonwealth is a grouping of countries that have nothing in common except for a colonial history. I can&#039;t figure out why we&#039;d want to belong to it ourselves, let alone worry about Fiji&#039;s membership. As for China, they&#039;re sensibly trying to win influence in countries with the natural resources they require for their economy, and in countries that are close to the shipping routes that bring those resources to China and deliver manufactured goods to their markets. Fiji has no natural resources, and isn&#039;t close to any Chinese shipping route. Or any other shipping route for that matter. Even Australia to North America can avoid Fiji... it isn&#039;t as if it sits astride a choke point. So I can&#039;t see why anyone, Chinese or Western, would bother trying to buy influence in Fiji... it is a nowhere place with nothing to sell, and without the income to buy anything. 

Just ignore them. As we ignore events in, say, Paraguay or Botswana or Madagascar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid&#8230; The Commonwealth is a grouping of countries that have nothing in common except for a colonial history. I can&#8217;t figure out why we&#8217;d want to belong to it ourselves, let alone worry about Fiji&#8217;s membership. As for China, they&#8217;re sensibly trying to win influence in countries with the natural resources they require for their economy, and in countries that are close to the shipping routes that bring those resources to China and deliver manufactured goods to their markets. Fiji has no natural resources, and isn&#8217;t close to any Chinese shipping route. Or any other shipping route for that matter. Even Australia to North America can avoid Fiji&#8230; it isn&#8217;t as if it sits astride a choke point. So I can&#8217;t see why anyone, Chinese or Western, would bother trying to buy influence in Fiji&#8230; it is a nowhere place with nothing to sell, and without the income to buy anything. </p>
<p>Just ignore them. As we ignore events in, say, Paraguay or Botswana or Madagascar.</p>
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		<title>By: GPT1</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552562</link>
		<dc:creator>GPT1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Emergency Regs have been in place before - immediately after 5 December for example.  Certainly cuts street crime.  

I would note that the article relies on &quot;unnamed&quot; sources although does at least carry a government denial re. the shoot to kill policy.

It&#039;s going to be a long hard road in Fiji unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Emergency Regs have been in place before &#8211; immediately after 5 December for example.  Certainly cuts street crime.  </p>
<p>I would note that the article relies on &#8220;unnamed&#8221; sources although does at least carry a government denial re. the shoot to kill policy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be a long hard road in Fiji unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/human_rights_at_threat_in_fiji.html#comment-552559</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Fiji needs is a Super Mayor to run the whole place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Fiji needs is a Super Mayor to run the whole place.</p>
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