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	<title>Comments on: Kyoto deficit now a surplus</title>
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		<title>By: LUCY</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553735</link>
		<dc:creator>LUCY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She did. And so do I.  You do not have a monoply on wanting to preserve and encorauge the environment that is our planet. The difference is you want to control it and see the means of doing this as destroying civilization, we say let it florish

In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather &quot;to address global issues.&quot; 

Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. &quot;What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?... 

In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn&#039;t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn&#039;t it our responsibility to bring this about?&quot; 

That&#039;s Strong talking, but those are Blofeld&#039;s words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan&#039;s senior adviser. 

&quot;This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an economic collapse,&quot; continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. &quot;It&#039;s February. They&#039;re all at Davos. These aren&#039;t terrorists. 

Maurice Strong said that it was the UN duty to destroy civilisations what better way to do it that say the planet was failing.  He wen on to say and I quote

&quot;They&#039;re world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world&#039;s commodities and stock markets. They&#039;ve engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world&#039;s stock markets from closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can&#039;t close...&quot; 

Strong catches himself. &quot;I probably shouldn&#039;t be saying things like this.&quot; 

Combine both and tell me what the hell is going on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She did. And so do I.  You do not have a monoply on wanting to preserve and encorauge the environment that is our planet. The difference is you want to control it and see the means of doing this as destroying civilization, we say let it florish</p>
<p>In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland &#8211; where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather &#8220;to address global issues.&#8221; </p>
<p>Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. &#8220;What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?&#8230; </p>
<p>In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn&#8217;t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn&#8217;t it our responsibility to bring this about?&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s Strong talking, but those are Blofeld&#8217;s words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking &#8211; it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan&#8217;s senior adviser. </p>
<p>&#8220;This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an economic collapse,&#8221; continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. &#8220;It&#8217;s February. They&#8217;re all at Davos. These aren&#8217;t terrorists. </p>
<p>Maurice Strong said that it was the UN duty to destroy civilisations what better way to do it that say the planet was failing.  He wen on to say and I quote</p>
<p>&#8220;They&#8217;re world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world&#8217;s commodities and stock markets. They&#8217;ve engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world&#8217;s stock markets from closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can&#8217;t close&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>Strong catches himself. &#8220;I probably shouldn&#8217;t be saying things like this.&#8221; </p>
<p>Combine both and tell me what the hell is going on?</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553670</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thatcher cared about the environment, like any Conservative. She soon woke up to the global warming scam and how it was being used by &quot;green socialists&quot; to attack capitalism. She said-

&quot;Whatever international action we agree upon to deal with environmental problems, we must enable our economies to grow and develop, because without growth you cannot generate the wealth required to pay for the protection of the environment&quot; 

Not at all what you commie knuckle draggers believe or want, and you have, by means of propaganda and lies and money oiling the palms of cronyists and con men, perverted Thatcher&#039;s genuine concern into a control freak&#039;s wet dream. 

I repeat, without the influence of socialists and the indoctrination of school children, and the denial to them of a real education, GW would never have gotten legs. It is only through closing down discussion and denying those with alternative views a voice (political correctness) that anything to do with socialism ever gets any traction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thatcher cared about the environment, like any Conservative. She soon woke up to the global warming scam and how it was being used by &#8220;green socialists&#8221; to attack capitalism. She said-</p>
<p>&#8220;Whatever international action we agree upon to deal with environmental problems, we must enable our economies to grow and develop, because without growth you cannot generate the wealth required to pay for the protection of the environment&#8221; </p>
<p>Not at all what you commie knuckle draggers believe or want, and you have, by means of propaganda and lies and money oiling the palms of cronyists and con men, perverted Thatcher&#8217;s genuine concern into a control freak&#8217;s wet dream. </p>
<p>I repeat, without the influence of socialists and the indoctrination of school children, and the denial to them of a real education, GW would never have gotten legs. It is only through closing down discussion and denying those with alternative views a voice (political correctness) that anything to do with socialism ever gets any traction.</p>
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		<title>By: MyNameIsJack</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553636</link>
		<dc:creator>MyNameIsJack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Redbaiter (5667) Vote:  7   1   Says: 

April 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am 
Of course he hasn’t. Knows nothing of history, classical literature or the origins of liberty. Just a typical half educated knuckle dragging socialist robot. 

If it wasn’t for socialism, and the legions of shoal fish it has produced by means of a completley dysfunctional education system, the global warming scam would never have gotten off the ground.

&lt;/i&gt;

What an odd thing to say, considering it was given birth by Margaret thatcher, surely she&#039;s not a knuckle dragging socialist too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Redbaiter (5667) Vote:  7   1   Says: </p>
<p>April 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am<br />
Of course he hasn’t. Knows nothing of history, classical literature or the origins of liberty. Just a typical half educated knuckle dragging socialist robot. </p>
<p>If it wasn’t for socialism, and the legions of shoal fish it has produced by means of a completley dysfunctional education system, the global warming scam would never have gotten off the ground.</p>
<p></i></p>
<p>What an odd thing to say, considering it was given birth by Margaret thatcher, surely she&#8217;s not a knuckle dragging socialist too?</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553634</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[ And don&#039;t those ingratiating smiles make you want to puke? ]

Damn right. 

Real sick making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[ And don't those ingratiating smiles make you want to puke? ]</p>
<p>Damn right. </p>
<p>Real sick making.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553630</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RB said - &quot;If so, then once again you demonstrate the fact that you have the cognitive powers of tinned ham&quot;

Not only that, he calls himself &quot;Ratbiter&quot; and spends his time trawling though Kiwiblog threads just so he can hump your leg. [ And don&#039;t those ingratiating smiles make you want to puke? ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RB said &#8211; &#8220;If so, then once again you demonstrate the fact that you have the cognitive powers of tinned ham&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only that, he calls himself &#8220;Ratbiter&#8221; and spends his time trawling though Kiwiblog threads just so he can hump your leg. [ And don't those ingratiating smiles make you want to puke? ]</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553626</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is it your contention that I do not know how to spell the word &#039;completely&#039;?? 

If not, then your typically feeble and witless attempt to be clever doesn&#039;t rise far above what an eight year old might endeavour. 

If so, then once again you demonstrate the fact that you have the cognitive powers of tinned ham.

Either way infant, you lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is it your contention that I do not know how to spell the word &#8216;completely&#8217;?? </p>
<p>If not, then your typically feeble and witless attempt to be clever doesn&#8217;t rise far above what an eight year old might endeavour. </p>
<p>If so, then once again you demonstrate the fact that you have the cognitive powers of tinned ham.</p>
<p>Either way infant, you lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Ratbiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553612</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratbiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a completley dysfunctional education system...&quot;

:-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a completley dysfunctional education system&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: towaka</title>
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		<dc:creator>towaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now one of the reasons given for the reduction was the drought..hence less belching animals but the other consequence of drought conditions is a massive loss of carbon from the soil.But under Kyoto no regard is paid to the biggest sink of all which is soil carbon,which just shows what a crock the whole thing is!

By the way land under irrigation locks up much more carbon as you do not have the losses from the summer dry..funny that eh,all those people irrigating the Canterbury plains are helping to save the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now one of the reasons given for the reduction was the drought..hence less belching animals but the other consequence of drought conditions is a massive loss of carbon from the soil.But under Kyoto no regard is paid to the biggest sink of all which is soil carbon,which just shows what a crock the whole thing is!</p>
<p>By the way land under irrigation locks up much more carbon as you do not have the losses from the summer dry..funny that eh,all those people irrigating the Canterbury plains are helping to save the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553536</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course he hasn&#039;t. Knows nothing of history, classical literature or the origins of liberty. Just a typical half educated knuckle dragging socialist robot. 

If it wasn&#039;t for socialism, and the legions of shoal fish it has produced by means of a completley dysfunctional education system, the global warming scam would never have gotten off the ground.

Unlike the drooling idiots of socialism, thinking people reject it in a heart beat for the deceit laden political device it really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course he hasn&#8217;t. Knows nothing of history, classical literature or the origins of liberty. Just a typical half educated knuckle dragging socialist robot. </p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for socialism, and the legions of shoal fish it has produced by means of a completley dysfunctional education system, the global warming scam would never have gotten off the ground.</p>
<p>Unlike the drooling idiots of socialism, thinking people reject it in a heart beat for the deceit laden political device it really is.</p>
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		<title>By: LUCY</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553530</link>
		<dc:creator>LUCY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like greenfly  has never heard of the Minoan, Roman and Medieval warm periods nor the Ice age nor the more recent little Ice age. As I said the climate has been changing for zonks.  Check your history Greenfly. Read scientific reports based on evidence and not computer modelling and stop relying on your &#039;masters&quot; to tell you what to believe in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like greenfly  has never heard of the Minoan, Roman and Medieval warm periods nor the Ice age nor the more recent little Ice age. As I said the climate has been changing for zonks.  Check your history Greenfly. Read scientific reports based on evidence and not computer modelling and stop relying on your &#8216;masters&#8221; to tell you what to believe in</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But if, for example, we replaced our current petrol tax with a carbon tax of roughly the same value, but extended that tax also to coal and natural gas at similar levels, and then finally offset it with a useful income tax reduction - say, a tax free threshold of $15,000 of income, and a reduction in the top tax rate from 39% to 38%, then I reckon ACT would vote for it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like it could be a stealthy way to &#039;starve the beast&#039;! I have no idea what a decent rate would be though - I &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; the Greens reckoned making the first $5,000 tax free was their solution to a carbon tax, which implies the cost would be low?

Top tax rate is 37% now though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But if, for example, we replaced our current petrol tax with a carbon tax of roughly the same value, but extended that tax also to coal and natural gas at similar levels, and then finally offset it with a useful income tax reduction &#8211; say, a tax free threshold of $15,000 of income, and a reduction in the top tax rate from 39% to 38%, then I reckon ACT would vote for it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like it could be a stealthy way to &#8216;starve the beast&#8217;! I have no idea what a decent rate would be though &#8211; I <i>think</i> the Greens reckoned making the first $5,000 tax free was their solution to a carbon tax, which implies the cost would be low?</p>
<p>Top tax rate is 37% now though.</p>
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		<title>By: OECD rank 22 kiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>OECD rank 22 kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What National should be doing is scrapping the ETS.

A pointless waste of time and as DPF highlights, a tax grab for the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What National should be doing is scrapping the ETS.</p>
<p>A pointless waste of time and as DPF highlights, a tax grab for the government.</p>
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		<title>By: jarbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>jarbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it obvious what we should be doing.... planting a crap load more trees!

Very interesting comments made by Nick Smith about the energy and transport sectors though - perhaps he should actually talk to Gerry &#039;gas power&#039; Brownlee and Steven &#039;roads make me horny&#039; Joyce about the rising emissions from their areas, and what they&#039;re doing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it obvious what we should be doing&#8230;. planting a crap load more trees!</p>
<p>Very interesting comments made by Nick Smith about the energy and transport sectors though &#8211; perhaps he should actually talk to Gerry &#8216;gas power&#8217; Brownlee and Steven &#8216;roads make me horny&#8217; Joyce about the rising emissions from their areas, and what they&#8217;re doing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greenfly - yes, I do applaud the recent MOU between National and the Greens, and yes, it is a step in the right direction.  Unfortunately it is very limited because the Greens have little in common with National on policies outside the environmental sphere.  If both Labour and National were viable governments, and the Greens held the balance of power, their social policies would have them go with Labour every single time.  Therefore, Labour will take them for granted, and offer a bad deal on the environmental policies.  

In short, no, the Greens didn&#039;t become plums by a half hearted deal with National.  Hopefully spending some time with National will get them to realise that there is actually more than one way to help the poor and disadvantaged in our society - the left wing way (give them stuff and let them fester), and the right wing way, of helping them to not be poor and disadvantaged anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greenfly &#8211; yes, I do applaud the recent MOU between National and the Greens, and yes, it is a step in the right direction.  Unfortunately it is very limited because the Greens have little in common with National on policies outside the environmental sphere.  If both Labour and National were viable governments, and the Greens held the balance of power, their social policies would have them go with Labour every single time.  Therefore, Labour will take them for granted, and offer a bad deal on the environmental policies.  </p>
<p>In short, no, the Greens didn&#8217;t become plums by a half hearted deal with National.  Hopefully spending some time with National will get them to realise that there is actually more than one way to help the poor and disadvantaged in our society &#8211; the left wing way (give them stuff and let them fester), and the right wing way, of helping them to not be poor and disadvantaged anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: greenfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>burt - good use of tags :-)

You may have spent more time talking with Heather? Could be. When you next see her, try to get her to see reason over climate change will you :-)
btw - I knew him as Rod &lt;b&gt; Donald &lt;/b&gt; and spent a lot of time in his company, like you did, I guess. We talked about the environment alot. Plus beer. Organic beer. He had very good taste in beer. 
Gotta go now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>burt &#8211; good use of tags <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You may have spent more time talking with Heather? Could be. When you next see her, try to get her to see reason over climate change will you <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
btw &#8211; I knew him as Rod <b> Donald </b> and spent a lot of time in his company, like you did, I guess. We talked about the environment alot. Plus beer. Organic beer. He had very good taste in beer.<br />
Gotta go now.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toad

I asked before &lt;i&gt;&quot;So where did it all go wrong? &quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

I tell where I think it went wrong, where is the environmental impact reduction in supporting state monopoly health provision VS public private partnerships? Are series environmental issues at stake if we extend the use of public funding for private providers to reduce waiting lists? 

The same is true for Education, why would an environmental party have an ideological stance on the state funder/provider split? 

The positioning for the last election was particularly cute. Basically the Greens presented themselves as the environmentally concerned Labour voters choice.  What was that about? It certainly wasn&#039;t about the environment was it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toad</p>
<p>I asked before <i>&#8220;So where did it all go wrong? &#8220;</i> </p>
<p>I tell where I think it went wrong, where is the environmental impact reduction in supporting state monopoly health provision VS public private partnerships? Are series environmental issues at stake if we extend the use of public funding for private providers to reduce waiting lists? </p>
<p>The same is true for Education, why would an environmental party have an ideological stance on the state funder/provider split? </p>
<p>The positioning for the last election was particularly cute. Basically the Greens presented themselves as the environmentally concerned Labour voters choice.  What was that about? It certainly wasn&#8217;t about the environment was it.</p>
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		<title>By: OECD rank 22 kiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553465</link>
		<dc:creator>OECD rank 22 kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is looking more and more likely that a carbon tax is the superior way to go&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t you mean &quot;carbon refund&quot; given the latest figures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is looking more and more likely that a carbon tax is the superior way to go</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t you mean &#8220;carbon refund&#8221; given the latest figures?</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553463</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greenfly

I spent a bit of time talking one to one with Rod Danald while we were both staying at the same camping ground a few years back. You know he never mentioned taxes, unions or collective contracts once.</description>
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<p>I spent a bit of time talking one to one with Rod Danald while we were both staying at the same camping ground a few years back. You know he never mentioned taxes, unions or collective contracts once.</p>
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		<title>By: Banana Llama</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553462</link>
		<dc:creator>Banana Llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banana - they don’t exploit human labour - they just have a hell of a lot of very poor people who have very limited other options. If giving someone a job so they don’t starve is exploiting them, then I think you have your priorities crooked.

Haha, do you want to support a dictatorial regime or not, i think you have your priorities crooked but what ever works yeah, so long as people are fed and a few are making trillions to loan back to us so we can keep them employed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banana &#8211; they don’t exploit human labour &#8211; they just have a hell of a lot of very poor people who have very limited other options. If giving someone a job so they don’t starve is exploiting them, then I think you have your priorities crooked.</p>
<p>Haha, do you want to support a dictatorial regime or not, i think you have your priorities crooked but what ever works yeah, so long as people are fed and a few are making trillions to loan back to us so we can keep them employed.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/kyoto_deficit_now_a_surplus.html#comment-553461</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax rates are generally falling worldwide social democrats like Cullen needed new ways to tax the productive.  Global warming fitted the bill.  

When a Labour politician talks about climate change he is lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax rates are generally falling worldwide social democrats like Cullen needed new ways to tax the productive.  Global warming fitted the bill.  </p>
<p>When a Labour politician talks about climate change he is lying.</p>
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