On sale in Mt Albert

April 30th, 2009 at 3:30 pm by David Farrar

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Courtesy of Whale Oil.

Incidentally question time in Parliament yesterday revealed that Shearer has actually written four articles advocating for private military forces. They are:

  1. Dial an Army
  2. Outsourcing War
  3. Private Armies and Military Intervention
  4. Privatising Protection

Don’t you just love the titles? Also by coincidence one of the chapter titles in Outsourcing War was “Give War a Chance”, which is also the title of the famous P J O’Rourke book. I am off to hear the great man speak tonight.

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35 Responses to “On sale in Mt Albert”

  1. davidp (3,551 comments) says:

    Didn’t Labour privatise part of the NZ Airforce? I vaguely recall that some privately owned warbirds were being contracted to provide training to the Army or Navy after Clark disbanded the strike wing.

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  2. F E Smith (3,314 comments) says:

    “I am off to hear the great man speak tonight.”

    I am very, very envious. Enjoy and report!

    On the other topic, what a wonderful set of ideas this man Shearer has written about. Perhaps we can convince him to stand for ACT? After all, if you privatise the army then surely there is no excuse not to privatise the rest of government core services.

    Sounds like a great idea to me.

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  3. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Shit no wonder this guy wasn’t around when the Great One was on the throne. She would be having fucking kittens by now. I mean how does this guy fit into a “benign region of the world”, where has he been for the last nine years, obviously he is not a strong believer in socialist dribble.

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  4. peterwn (3,194 comments) says:

    David Shearer really is backing the wrong horse. He ought to be having a couple of words with John Key and Judy Kirk sometime.

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  5. Rakaia George (313 comments) says:

    Peterwn – you’re kidding right? JK is far to “pragmatic and centrist” (read: soft) for these types of views…

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  6. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Thanks for the laff Whale/ Mr. Farrar. Very funny.

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  7. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    If one of my computer nerd mates compiled something like this I would tell him to get off his ass and find a proper job.

    Whaleoil (or whatever his real name is) seems to find some kind of self-validation in his fight against the left. I wonder what will happen to him now the Nats are in power?

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  8. goodgod (1,363 comments) says:

    1) Refer to any technician as a computer nerd and I gaurantee he is not one of your mates.

    2) There is plenty of the Left in National. Whale Oil would have no problem beating them like baby seals next time they stick their heads up.

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  9. Ryan Sproull (7,056 comments) says:

    Refer to any technician as a computer nerd and I gaurantee he is not one of your mates.

    Yeah, what is this, the ’80s?

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  10. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    “How left wing bloggers blog for pay”

    Whale can’t be refering to the halfwits at the substandard can he?

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  11. dad4justice (7,934 comments) says:

    Does the standard left wing hire professional bloggers dear Lyn or should I say Clinton?

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  12. Ross Miller (1,676 comments) says:

    First Twyford

    Now Shearer

    then next and next and next and

    followed by that quaint expert on female genital mutilation

    Wots left (or right) … Ron Mark as the next great (brown) saviour of the Labour Party. Today Carterton, tomorrow Mt Albert.

    The mind boggles as Labour sinks more into their mire of self generated contradictions.

    Come back (Bob) Tizard. Your Party needs you. All is forgiven.

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  13. emmess (1,387 comments) says:

    Didn’t Labour privatise part of the NZ Airforce?

    Correct term is botched privatization, no one even interested for 7 years
    Unlike say Air NZ got in trouble but had a willing buyer waiting in the wings or Kiwirail which wasn’t even on the market

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  14. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    This debate is really sad.

    Shearer as an employee of the UN raises the possibility of using security firms to hold the warring factions apart in countries where civilisation has fallen apart. His hope is to reduce the number of murders and rapes.

    And this means that he supports privatisation of New Zealand prisons? And he is a prodigy of Roger Douglas?

    You wingnuts really need to think about the issue rather than run a line that you think may give you a political advantage. I hope it is Shearer, if it is Megan Bates then you will deeply regret the result in 20 years time.

    [DPF: He did not raise the possibility. He wrote four seperate articles advocating for it to happen. Unlike you, I agree with him that the private sector should be used when they can achieve better outcomes. I just wish Labour would agree]

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  15. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,819 comments) says:

    The Left is rather ineffectual these days. Quite the humorous situation to watch.

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  16. davidp (3,551 comments) says:

    MS>Shearer as an employee of the UN raises the possibility of using security firms to hold the warring factions apart in countries where civilisation has fallen apart.

    But one of the papers was written while Shearer was an employee of the NZ Government, working in Phil Goff’s office. Did he write the paper in his own time or at the office? Did Goff and Shearer discuss the paper before it was published? Did he have Goff’s permission to publish it? Or was he freelancing? Are we supposed to believe that Goff had never heard of the paper? Or did he know, and hoped that his candidate’s secret privatisation agenda would stay secret, even after Labour made secret privatisation agendas an election issue last year?

    Labour really needs to drop the inept “smear campaign” accusations, and front up and tell us what Goff knew about his favoured candidate and the policies that he thought were important enough to write about, in depth, on four occasions.

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  17. emmess (1,387 comments) says:

    Micky Savage there is a continuum of state/private ownership. It is not perfectly linear but most people would say the army would be one of last things to go into private ownership no matter what there views are on state or private ownership

    I would say it goes something like this in terms of the majority in private hands
    Housing -> Land -> Small businesses -> Retailing -> Manufacturing -> Financial Services -> Transport -> Utilities -> Social Services -> Public Convienences -> Military

    If this guy is gonna be consistent, he should also be looking at privatising Health, Education and Welfare, although I draw the line at Public Toilets

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  18. hayek (81 comments) says:

    “I draw the line at Public Toilets”

    There are frequent occasions when I’d happily pay a few bucks not to smell the fragrance of blanket man’s urine.

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  19. Flashman (184 comments) says:

    Blanket Man for Mt Albert!

    Hey Phil Gee, now there’s warm-hug photo op for ya!!

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  20. mavxp (494 comments) says:

    I think its fairly obvious what is happening here. Goff has a man who has worked for his office and will support him and toe his line within the Labour party, and he wants him in a safe labour seat. It’s nothing less than what Hels would have done. This is about internal Labour politics rather than Lab vs Nat. The deck is currently stacked with Hels crew, and he needs more of his own people to balance things out.

    Wayne Mapp is kindly stirring the pot to keep the opposition in disarray and keep Phil looking over his sholder for drawn daggers.

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  21. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    And mickey trots out Goffs party line according to his daily instructions and calls us names.

    Whoo hoo to make an impact mickey. Savage not much. More like being savaged by Bambi.

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  22. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Jaysus H Krist – Labour are a bunch of fools. Closely followed by the knobgrippers at the EPMU who blindly lead them into the promised land (somewhere near Fiji I hear).

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  23. Danny-boy (102 comments) says:

    I believe the 5th article is titled ‘War for Fun and Profit’.

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  24. peterwn (3,194 comments) says:

    I do feel a bit sorry for David.

    If you are a public servant, one of the arts is to be able to research and report on a matter impartially even if you do not personally believe in the ‘best’ option. You would be useless as a policy adviser if you let your personal feelings get in the way. This is very important for an impartial public service – one that can serve governments of differing political viewpoints.

    It is also why there are limitations on political studies students telling ‘outsiders’ the opinions of fellow students – there was a big row at Auckland University in 1965 when a SIS employee was ‘outed’ in a politics course.

    David obviously chose a topic at the time (or may have been steered that way by an academic) which seemed a ‘good idea’, and researched and wrote it up quite impartially, unaware it was going to come back and bite him in the bum some years later. He got caught another way – normally such works would remain in relative obscurity and he would not need to worry too much about the future, but electronic databases and the internet has changed all this.

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  25. senzafine (455 comments) says:

    Gotta hand it to Whale. That’s some funny shit.

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  26. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    “there was a big row at Auckland University in 1965 when a SIS employee was ‘outed’ in a politics course.”

    there was just an unlegislated security service in 1965. I thought the SIS wasn’t established until 1969 (the NZSIS Act)

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  27. peterwn (3,194 comments) says:

    Even in 1965 it was called SIS and presumably did not require specific legislation. It was probably funded by the Justice Department since Jack Marshall (‘Gentleman’ Jack – a most highly respected MP, Minister and briefly PM in 1972) then Minister of Justice recruited his old wartime mate Brigadier Gilbertto be its head. AFAIK the Leader of the Opposition has always been ‘kept in the loop’ about SIS matters. It held its 50th anniversary a few years ago. The ‘outed’ agent claimed to work for the Justice Department but the Justice Department receptionist in Auckland did not know of any employee of that name. A suspicious student then phoned SIS in Auckland, asked to speak to him and was put straight through. He was suspected when doing some quiet career recruiting for SIS among his fellow students.

    See:
    http://www.dnzb.govt.nz/DNZB/alt_essayBody.asp?essayID=5G9

    The 1969 legislation was probably in response to the 1965 incident which at the time increased public profle of the SIS and let to concerns about its control.

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  28. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    “Dial an Army
    Outsourcing War
    Private Armies and Military Intervention
    Privatising Protection”

    Finally a job for Fiji’s Commodore Frank Bainimarama’s and his military regime.
    I here he wants to talk.

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  29. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..# OECD rank 22 kiwi (1921) Vote: Add rating 10 Subtract rating 0 Says:
    April 30th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    The Left is rather ineffectual these days. Quite the humorous situation to watch..”

    are you talking about america there..?..oecd..?

    and the triumph of the rightwing over the forces of obama..?

    (y’know..!..just as you predicted for so long..

    ..eh..?..)

    and your reagan/thatcher rightwing revolution is in good health..?..you reckon..?

    should we file that one with your obama-defeat predictions..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  30. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    As lucid and relevant as always.

    And about as effective too.

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  31. He-Man (270 comments) says:

    Not forgetting the real reason why mercenaries are the murderers of choice. They can go on killing sprees and the government doesn’t have to abide by the Geneva Conventions.

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  32. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Just like hamas you mean.

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  33. PhilBest (5,117 comments) says:

    I have only just started to sit up and take notice of this man and his ideas. I fear that everyone is reading this very very wrong.

    Though I agree with on privatisation as a principle, a whole series of alarm bells are ringing in my mind, concerning just why a longterm United Nations and NZ Labour Party aparatchik would be advocating such ideas.

    Consider the sort of stuff that Ian Wishart has been reporting lately about the desire of the UN “One-world-socialist-government” advocates for the UN to have its own sources of global taxation, perhaps carbon taxes; AND its own standing armies to enforce its policy without recourse to units on loan from sovereign nations. Does this thought not send a chill up your spine?

    You know this David Shearer guy: where does he stand on that?

    I agree also with the “French Foreign Legion” concept; it makes sense for a power that has to police other parts of the world. But I am deeply uneasy about trusting the actual defence of a realm to paid mercenaries rather than patriotic citizens who have enlisted or even been conscripted in a time of crisis. Given the track record of the international Left on infiltrating and subverting institutions, I think that defence forces of paid mercenaries would be easier subverted than the other.

    Do I have a point?

    I have always thought the next best thing to our own strike wing, would be to pay the Aussies to base a squadron here – I trust them. Heck, I trust the Yanks, but sadly many NZ-ers do not.

    I certainly do not trust the U.N.

    And I am dubious about the trustworthiness of a mixed bunch of pilots from Russia, China, Pakistan, Egypt, Bolivia, Malaysia, Turkey, Germany, Sweden, wherever; when it comes to the defence of New Zealand, no matter how well they are paid. I am especially dubious about the trustworthiness of armed forces of this type all over the world in the event of a showdown between sovereign nations and the U.N. OneWorld socialist government.

    A mercenary military might happily defend, say, Greece, against Turkish invasion; but I can just imagine mercenaries all over the world laying down their arms when it comes to fighting off the new, mercenary “U.N.” – in fact I can imagine clauses in their contracts about this.

    I very much doubt that David Shearer’s ideas really are “to the right of P.J. O’Rourke” at all; I suspect that in their motive, they are about as far to the Left as they can be. I think P.J. O’Rourke’s instincts, to pick privatisation of everything BUT defence, are impeccable. This whole thing just reeks of socialist One world government power grabbing. Sorry.

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  34. PhilBest (5,117 comments) says:

    There is a new thread where I have posted the above and a fresh debate is getting going.

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  35. Tuija (220 comments) says:

    On sale in mount Albert ? Ravi Mususku ?

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