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		<title>By: jackp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558927</link>
		<dc:creator>jackp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 05:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murray your right.  So, you don&#039;t have to worry because the maleria carrying masquito  won&#039;t fly beyond certain regions. So it is safe.  Maleria still has killed more people than the so called bird or swine flu and the fluenza doesn&#039;t seem to be restricted by any region. You can take a cautious approach which most would agree with you.  But please look at the bird flu scare. This was only a few years ago.  I am sure you remember Bush telling everyone that 200 million world wide will die.. Rumsfield, Bush&#039;s father  and a  good friend made tens of millions.  These people are in a position of authority and have an incredible amount of influence world wide.  Cambodia was taken over by the military while their leader was in Paris... a coup which was supplied and financed by the CIA back in the early 70&#039;s.  I don&#039;t take that cautious approach because whenever I see things connected to Rumsfield, Cheney, Bush, I know it is a scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murray your right.  So, you don&#8217;t have to worry because the maleria carrying masquito  won&#8217;t fly beyond certain regions. So it is safe.  Maleria still has killed more people than the so called bird or swine flu and the fluenza doesn&#8217;t seem to be restricted by any region. You can take a cautious approach which most would agree with you.  But please look at the bird flu scare. This was only a few years ago.  I am sure you remember Bush telling everyone that 200 million world wide will die.. Rumsfield, Bush&#8217;s father  and a  good friend made tens of millions.  These people are in a position of authority and have an incredible amount of influence world wide.  Cambodia was taken over by the military while their leader was in Paris&#8230; a coup which was supplied and financed by the CIA back in the early 70&#8242;s.  I don&#8217;t take that cautious approach because whenever I see things connected to Rumsfield, Cheney, Bush, I know it is a scam.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558749</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ratbiter - &quot;in a similar vein&quot;…of course the green response will be;

SARswine2avianK were just captalist scams......................nice trys, but none of which will ever match our global warming. 
Stop showering, lighting, eating burgers and driving cars and listen to us – oh, and equal land rights for gay whales while your at it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ratbiter &#8211; &#8220;in a similar vein&#8221;…of course the green response will be;</p>
<p>SARswine2avianK were just captalist scams&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.nice trys, but none of which will ever match our global warming.<br />
Stop showering, lighting, eating burgers and driving cars and listen to us – oh, and equal land rights for gay whales while your at it</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558741</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jackp  you actually have to go to the places where maleria is to get it. swineflu2U is a different ball game.

If our measures are succesfull then everyone will say it was a scam, if they aren&#039;t and we have a rerun of the post WWI influenza then we&#039;ll be lynching our politicians and incompetant fools.

If theres a choice then I&#039;m going to pick an over reaction over an under reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jackp  you actually have to go to the places where maleria is to get it. swineflu2U is a different ball game.</p>
<p>If our measures are succesfull then everyone will say it was a scam, if they aren&#8217;t and we have a rerun of the post WWI influenza then we&#8217;ll be lynching our politicians and incompetant fools.</p>
<p>If theres a choice then I&#8217;m going to pick an over reaction over an under reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558736</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When do we get the cheap bacon from the herd culls?</description>
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		<title>By: jackp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558734</link>
		<dc:creator>jackp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malaria kills over 3000 people a year. Why don&#039;t the news print that? Companies like Gilead, Roche who make Tamiflu vaccine are seeing a rise in their shares already.  I think you guys are starting to get the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malaria kills over 3000 people a year. Why don&#8217;t the news print that? Companies like Gilead, Roche who make Tamiflu vaccine are seeing a rise in their shares already.  I think you guys are starting to get the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558696</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanna buy a paper mask and some tamifloo*

*As good as the real thing but only $9.95**

**Maynotactualyworksideeffectscanincludedeath</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanna buy a paper mask and some tamifloo*</p>
<p>*As good as the real thing but only $9.95**</p>
<p>**Maynotactualyworksideeffectscanincludedeath</p>
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		<title>By: gladstone</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558686</link>
		<dc:creator>gladstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Someone is making money here&quot;
&lt;i&gt; Swines! &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Someone is making money here&#8221;<br />
<i> Swines! </i></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558672</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only one thing spreads faster than Swine Flu.
Paranoia.
Someone is making money here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only one thing spreads faster than Swine Flu.<br />
Paranoia.<br />
Someone is making money here?</p>
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		<title>By: lyndon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558626</link>
		<dc:creator>lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the circumstances I think the insurance companies would be well advised to treat everyone they could, insurance or no. 

But if the balance-sheet numbers did not support them trying to control the epidemic rather than the cases, that this might suggest libertarianism is not too good at public health.

Anyway, what you describe is picking up the pieces (which is the way libertarianism seems to deal with group-action problems generally). Any thoughts on initial control?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the circumstances I think the insurance companies would be well advised to treat everyone they could, insurance or no. </p>
<p>But if the balance-sheet numbers did not support them trying to control the epidemic rather than the cases, that this might suggest libertarianism is not too good at public health.</p>
<p>Anyway, what you describe is picking up the pieces (which is the way libertarianism seems to deal with group-action problems generally). Any thoughts on initial control?</p>
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		<title>By: Luke H</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558602</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Any suggestions as to what the correct libertarian, small government response to a pandemic would be? I really can’t work it out.&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s a few ideas.

&lt;i&gt;Short version:&lt;/i&gt;  Let the market handle it (duh).

&lt;i&gt;Longer version:&lt;/i&gt;

* If doctors can charge per treatment (free market healthcare), and charge more for house visits, many doctors will become available to treat patients.

* If we allow nurses to prescribe simple meds like Tamiflu, we won&#039;t even need all those doctors to do house visits.

* Several companies will compete to quickly research, make and distribute an effective vaccine  and/or drugs to treat the illness.  In a free market, the quickest-produced and most-effective vaccine will win.  (This might require changing of intellectual property law, which are essentially government-granted monopolies.  Different libertarians have different opinions on this).

* Insurance companies might pay for large quantities of Tamiflu and/or vaccines and supply it to those who have health insurance with them to avoid having to pay out on thousands of life insurance policies.  Similarly companies offering health insurance to employees could arrange to have employees and their families treated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Any suggestions as to what the correct libertarian, small government response to a pandemic would be? I really can’t work it out.</i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a few ideas.</p>
<p><i>Short version:</i>  Let the market handle it (duh).</p>
<p><i>Longer version:</i></p>
<p>* If doctors can charge per treatment (free market healthcare), and charge more for house visits, many doctors will become available to treat patients.</p>
<p>* If we allow nurses to prescribe simple meds like Tamiflu, we won&#8217;t even need all those doctors to do house visits.</p>
<p>* Several companies will compete to quickly research, make and distribute an effective vaccine  and/or drugs to treat the illness.  In a free market, the quickest-produced and most-effective vaccine will win.  (This might require changing of intellectual property law, which are essentially government-granted monopolies.  Different libertarians have different opinions on this).</p>
<p>* Insurance companies might pay for large quantities of Tamiflu and/or vaccines and supply it to those who have health insurance with them to avoid having to pay out on thousands of life insurance policies.  Similarly companies offering health insurance to employees could arrange to have employees and their families treated.</p>
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		<title>By: lyndon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558601</link>
		<dc:creator>lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Any suggestions as to what the correct libertarian, small government response to a pandemic would be?&lt;/i&gt;

It probably involves the insurance companies. Who, let&#039;s face it, would probably have their own army, so they&#039;d sort it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Any suggestions as to what the correct libertarian, small government response to a pandemic would be?</i></p>
<p>It probably involves the insurance companies. Who, let&#8217;s face it, would probably have their own army, so they&#8217;d sort it out.</p>
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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558595</link>
		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rejoice all, a cure for swine flu has been found. A copious amount of oinkment must be spread over the body for a full recovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rejoice all, a cure for swine flu has been found. A copious amount of oinkment must be spread over the body for a full recovery.</p>
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		<title>By: dave strings</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558577</link>
		<dc:creator>dave strings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government heath agencies have confirmed a widespread Wine Flu outbreak as a nation of drinkers wait anxiously for further information to be released. Thought to have started as an adverse reaction to the pandemic of substandard wine offers flooding the New Zealand market, Wine Flu is a fast acting virus that makes sufferers unable to stomach cheap, nasty wine again. 

Symptoms of Wine Flu include cold sweats, hangovers and nausea but a Government Official reassured drinkers by announcing that simple steps can be taken to stop the spread of the virus. 

&quot;Sufferers must refrain from buying cheap, low quality wine and switch to cheap good wine immediately. We recommend www.antiwineflu.co.nz as an immediate antidote. Anyone who does not have internet access should contact their local hospital for a Wine Flu mask designed specifically for their wine tastes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government heath agencies have confirmed a widespread Wine Flu outbreak as a nation of drinkers wait anxiously for further information to be released. Thought to have started as an adverse reaction to the pandemic of substandard wine offers flooding the New Zealand market, Wine Flu is a fast acting virus that makes sufferers unable to stomach cheap, nasty wine again. </p>
<p>Symptoms of Wine Flu include cold sweats, hangovers and nausea but a Government Official reassured drinkers by announcing that simple steps can be taken to stop the spread of the virus. </p>
<p>&#8220;Sufferers must refrain from buying cheap, low quality wine and switch to cheap good wine immediately. We recommend <a href="http://www.antiwineflu.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwineflu.co.nz</a> as an immediate antidote. Anyone who does not have internet access should contact their local hospital for a Wine Flu mask designed specifically for their wine tastes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: racer</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558573</link>
		<dc:creator>racer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any suggestions as to what the correct libertarian, small government response to a pandemic would be? I really can&#039;t work it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any suggestions as to what the correct libertarian, small government response to a pandemic would be? I really can&#8217;t work it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558530</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comedy or documentry?

Include the Philippines cancelling an order for New Zealand pork in your answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comedy or documentry?</p>
<p>Include the Philippines cancelling an order for New Zealand pork in your answer.</p>
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		<title>By: lyndon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558529</link>
		<dc:creator>lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All XKCD comics have rollover/title text: 

&quot;Bad flu epidemics can hit young adults hardest because they provoke their powerful immune systems into overreaction, so to stay healthy spend the next few weeks drunk and sleep-deprived to keep yours suppressed.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;“Every year in the U.S., 5 percent to 20 percent of the population gets seasonal flu. The virus affects the nose, throat and lungs, and peaks from late-November through March, according to the CDC. About 200,000 Americans are hospitalized annually from the seasonal flu, and 36,000 die, said the CDC Web site.”&lt;/i&gt;

Now imagine something at the high end of that infectiousness and 25 times as deadly. I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s happening now, but that&#039;s what the protections are for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All XKCD comics have rollover/title text: </p>
<p>&#8220;Bad flu epidemics can hit young adults hardest because they provoke their powerful immune systems into overreaction, so to stay healthy spend the next few weeks drunk and sleep-deprived to keep yours suppressed.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>“Every year in the U.S., 5 percent to 20 percent of the population gets seasonal flu. The virus affects the nose, throat and lungs, and peaks from late-November through March, according to the CDC. About 200,000 Americans are hospitalized annually from the seasonal flu, and 36,000 die, said the CDC Web site.”</i></p>
<p>Now imagine something at the high end of that infectiousness and 25 times as deadly. I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s happening now, but that&#8217;s what the protections are for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ratbiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558528</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratbiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiwigreg- 
Of course many many more people will have died from less-exciting forms of flu in the days since the Swine Flu story broke. (It is a pity no-one in the media has seen fit to report this.) 

However I think the main reason the Swine Flu is worth worrying about is because, wthout extensive case histories, new and hitherto-unknown variants e.g. Swine Flu, Bird Flu etc are unpredictable and no-one really knows if they will be a catastrophe or a non-event. Although of course, plumbers, carpenters and Kiwiblog commentators are very quick to formulate their own expert opinions one way or the other!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiwigreg-<br />
Of course many many more people will have died from less-exciting forms of flu in the days since the Swine Flu story broke. (It is a pity no-one in the media has seen fit to report this.) </p>
<p>However I think the main reason the Swine Flu is worth worrying about is because, wthout extensive case histories, new and hitherto-unknown variants e.g. Swine Flu, Bird Flu etc are unpredictable and no-one really knows if they will be a catastrophe or a non-event. Although of course, plumbers, carpenters and Kiwiblog commentators are very quick to formulate their own expert opinions one way or the other!</p>
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		<title>By: Ratbiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558527</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratbiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in a similar vein...

Redbaiter: 
Swine Flu is just another fear-mongering rort by the anti-democratic pinko half-educated jackboot-wearing indoctrinated socialist commie scum half-wits.  And their lying Sycophants in the MSM.
F*ck off with your climate change and your long march towards world domination. The sooner you scummy commie scum are six feet under pushing up daisies, the better for us freedom fighters.

(With apologies to my old mate, as this is not really an actual quote from the man himself ;-)</description>
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<p>Redbaiter:<br />
Swine Flu is just another fear-mongering rort by the anti-democratic pinko half-educated jackboot-wearing indoctrinated socialist commie scum half-wits.  And their lying Sycophants in the MSM.<br />
F*ck off with your climate change and your long march towards world domination. The sooner you scummy commie scum are six feet under pushing up daisies, the better for us freedom fighters.</p>
<p>(With apologies to my old mate, as this is not really an actual quote from the man himself <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KiwiGreg</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/twitter_and_swine_flu.html#comment-558523</link>
		<dc:creator>KiwiGreg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every year in the U.S., 5 percent to 20 percent of the population gets seasonal flu. The virus affects the nose, throat and lungs, and peaks from late-November through March, according to the CDC. About 200,000 Americans are hospitalized annually from the seasonal flu, and 36,000 die, said the CDC Web site.&quot; - this from Bloomberg.

I think swine flu also gives relevance and meaning to the lives of those who work for WHO and in NZ&#039;s medical establishment.  It also helps some countries implement anti-free trade policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every year in the U.S., 5 percent to 20 percent of the population gets seasonal flu. The virus affects the nose, throat and lungs, and peaks from late-November through March, according to the CDC. About 200,000 Americans are hospitalized annually from the seasonal flu, and 36,000 die, said the CDC Web site.&#8221; &#8211; this from Bloomberg.</p>
<p>I think swine flu also gives relevance and meaning to the lives of those who work for WHO and in NZ&#8217;s medical establishment.  It also helps some countries implement anti-free trade policies.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
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		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WraithX - the MSM need sensations to help prop up their ad-bereft, crumbling empires. Politicians like being seen by their faithful. Swine Flu is their saviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WraithX &#8211; the MSM need sensations to help prop up their ad-bereft, crumbling empires. Politicians like being seen by their faithful. Swine Flu is their saviour.</p>
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