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Wow. You sir, are an idiot. I volunteer at the Auckland SAFE office and I can safely say that the staff there know very little about the by-election – simply because it has very little to do with animal rights and more to do with for example the proposed motorway, which isn’t relevant to SAFE. I really don’t see how the fuck do you link animal welfare into local body politics. In fact, I have been encouraging many of my fellow SAFE members to become ACT supporters, as Stephen Franks used to also work with Sue Kedgley on animal rights issues. I have also offered to help John Boscawen with his campaign – I went to his campaign launch but just didn’t receive any further information on what I could do to help out after providing my contact details.

If you look at SAFE’s campaigning history they will call out whichever government is in power over animal abuse.

I was kind of hoping when a Maori celebrity goes postal over alleged abuse it would be against his cuzzie bros for their disproportionate child abuse and murders

Funny how you didn’t see TVNZ sticking their cameras into the Kahuis house prior to the deaths

Mike King hasn’t spent several years being the marketing face of child abuse and murders. And I’m sure he – quite rightly – does not feel like he has any greater obligation than anyone else to be outraged by child abuse simply because he shares a skin colour with some of the perpetrators.

And while your at it why not avoid the usual leftard “evil by association” meme analysis. It makes you look stoopid.

HTH’s

Funny how you didn’t see TVNZ sticking their cameras into the Kahuis house prior to the deaths

1) get some cheap publicity for their commie mates during the Mt Albert By-election
2) disrupt national bacon weak – for that SAFE need to be exterminated
3) target the ex-president of the pig breeding club or whatevers its called

SAFE are a bunch of Green party affiliates who think they are radical. If they want to better society in New Zealand perhaps they should get involved with helping children, not sausage meat.

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http://lovepigs.org.nz/Pigs-in-New-Zealand/

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Not true For a magnificent but harrowing (Conservative) account of the way we exploit animals – and its impact on our humanity I would highly recommend Dominion by Mathew Scully (a former editor for National Review , senior speechwriter for George W. Bush and I think more recently Sarah Palin , I don’t think he can be written off a as a left wing hippy).

I am astonished at the number of people here who treat this so cavalierly; seemingly seeking to defending this practice on the grounds that the Greens/SAFE oppose it and that you like bacon. (I like bacon too, I just want to know that is comes from an animal that hasn’t been raised in abhorrent cruelty).

Do you seriously, honestly believe that this is the best we can do? That you are happy for this practice to define us?
The arguement is not whether we can do this but rather whether we should. We are on this earth for a short time and it is up to us to chose how we want to fill that life . Surely ‘indulging’ (if that is the right word) acts of kindness and mercy to those we hold power over is the measure of all that is best in us, reflecting all that we are capable of.

I don’t believe in religion but it seems to me that at least it gave us recourse to a language of compassion and moral duty that seems sadly lacking in most of this discourse.

One wonders why the secrecy? Are conditions really that bad and widespread?

It is a shame that the Labour Party did absolutely nothing about the issue for nine years, but Helen was all talk on everything anyway.

The Greens are the only party who will do something about this.

And it’s a bit rich for our inept and clueless “Minister of Agriculture” to suggest that SAFE doesn’t care about animal welfare. They have been fighting against animal cruelty in New Zealand for decades, while he was shown a video and claimed he was unaware it was going on. Is this the calibre of Minister the National Party thinks the people of New Zealand deserve?

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/thank_you_to_the_greens.html

The word “lettuce” appears nowhere in the thread.

Quit acting like you’re thick as pigshit, Ryan. People will not go hungry from not eating pork and that was never my point.

Then what was your point in saying: “When you own a pet pig you can have it running throughout your house and tuck it in at night with a kiss. Once you start feeding a nation though, you’ll have to make some adjustments to that plan.”

If you weren’t saying that one has to compromise on the treatment of animals “once you start feeding a nation”, what could you possibly have been saying?

Neither will they go hungry from not having coffee, or tobacco, and those industries have “inhumane” aspects also. Why don’t you have the courage of your convictions and do your part and cease using them instead of picking and choosing what everyone will use?

I haven’t said anything about picking and choosing what everyone will use. This is a recurring theme, you responding to points I never made. What I said was that you were wrong to use “once you start feeding a nation” as a justification of inhumane treatment of pigs.

Pork may well be a luxury food, but the industry exists now and any urge to radically regulate it needs the kind of big picture thinking you are too scared to do. You treat this argument like the debate is should we start farming pigs, rather than what it is – should we tear apart a part of the economy. Realities, Ryan. When you go into business there are realities of scale. You can’t run an efficient pig farm in your lounge.

This argument is entirely about your justification of the inhumane treatment of pigs by referring to the necessities that arise “once you start feeding a nation”. I would respond to your digressions, but I’m afraid it would further allow you to avoid explaining your statement:

“When you own a pet pig you can have it running throughout your house and tuck it in at night with a kiss. Once you start feeding a nation though, you’ll have to make some adjustments to that plan.”

Not everyone wants to be a vegan, or have their choices controlled by an authoritarian government that thinks it can mix theoretical rights with real life realties. Your argument of inefficiency is absurd.

I only brought up efficiency because you seemed to be justifying the inhumane treatment of pigs by referring to the necessities that arise “once you start feeding a nation”. If you explain how you could possibly mean anything else by the following, efficiency wouldn’t be an issue:

“When you own a pet pig you can have it running throughout your house and tuck it in at night with a kiss. Once you start feeding a nation though, you’ll have to make some adjustments to that plan.”

Feeding the population by stamping out protein tablets for distribution from a factory would be a more efficient use of land, but bad choice for health.

No doubt. Fortunately, I said nothing of the sort.

I recall you stating that lettuce is a good option for growing children during the tuck shop pie debate. You’re dreaming. Utterly dreaming and this time is no different.

Still irrelevant.

Why do I have to retell these points? Because you’re a contentious communist and proven hypocrite. Don’t whine like a girl about getting personal. You can’t hide behind that. You can’t hide your fear behind your politics. You often push every discussion topic through your theoretical seive and turn out the same unexamined immature mush. Shut up and save your brain power for doing something practical, out in the real world, and you might actually learn something about life. You’ll probably find that many people have no time for the self destructive theories you pedal and that communism won’t solve everything after all. No one is going to offer control of their lives over to you and your type just so you can avoid facing reality. Best of luck with your health living on caffiene, nicotine and lettuce.

Goodgod, I’m not a communist, I never asked for control of anyone’s lives and I wasn’t hiding or whining. I was just suggesting that people can have a discussion without lowering themselves to personal insults. I can certainly keep talking to you while you punctuate your comments with angry outbursts – it just means more irrelevant things to ignore.

Now, I will ask again:

What could you possibly have meant by…

“When you own a pet pig you can have it running throughout your house and tuck it in at night with a kiss. Once you start feeding a nation though, you’ll have to make some adjustments to that plan.”

…if not justifying the inhumane treatment of pigs in pig farming by referring to necessities that arise “once you start feeding a nation”?

Besides saying something shouldnt be done due to an ethical view point is just as much the right as the left’s domain. See all matters of controversal biological research here.