You are correct to the extent that she is entirely free to have sex with whomever and whenever she wants. However when the consequences of that action produce another living being, then she has no right to destroy it. And yes it is living from conception otherwise it wouldn’t grow. That is why currently the womb is the most dangereous place to be living and all of us have lived there at one time.
A bit like picking up a gun and pulling the trigger because you like the sound of the BANG! However if that bullet went out and killed someone, then you would be held accountable for your actions.
Your argument is simply saying a woman can do whatever she likes without any accountability. Wishful thinking I say!

The un-born has no rights over the living.

A womans body is her private property and she alone will decide what she wants to do with it!!

If choice is removed from the individual, then the individual is a slave to the fascists who demand CONTROL of the said individual,

I am not going to argue that the bible doesnt give some good morals to lean on (i.e. dont steal, cheat, respect etc) however saying one relies upon it to find morality I think is wrong. Generally one can distinguish right or wrong with each’s own sense of what is right and wrong, religion doesnt have a monopoly on morals. Sure some use it to determine their view point on some issues which are more grey, abortion, same sex relationships, sex, womans rights, but that doesnt mean that view is right or wrong, it just gives them their reason.

In regards to Abortion, its a hard one which I respect both sides arguments. Personally I am in favour of having the ability of people to choose to terminate up to the first trimester, however if it ever happened to a person I was seeing I would rather not.

I have been spat on, had tomato sauce (and once, animal blood) thrown all over me, had someone try to stub a cigarette out on me (thank goodness for my coat) and been generally abused many, many times.

If the anti-abortionists wish to hold a debate on this issue, I suggest that their methods of protest are not conducive to rational, national debate. And, in fact; are downright insulting.

However, as a society, if a significant portion of the population feels this way, then we need to have a formal response/debate on it. If its not a significant percent of the populace (i.e. vocal minority) then can we just all agree to ignore them … please?

I apologise if I offended your politically correct sensibilities.

That sounds like something a Stalinist/ socialist might say. A socialist who has gradually perverted our democracy and used legislative means to steal and disposses the citizens of their wealth and property and individual rights and all the while pretending to be motivated by a “social conscience”, and simultaneously doing all he can to disguise his real motivation, political power.

To call NZ’s working middle class, those families and parents struggling to carry the burden of socialist policies “lazy” displays a level of offense that you would be bleating about if it was directed elsewhere.

The politically correct term for ‘Lazy’

you’re not a left-wing uni politico are you?

Not everybody has the time to deal with issues as bludging lazy welfare supported leftists do. Too many people are held fast by the chains of socialism, and too busy making a living to find the time for anything else no matter how strongly they might feel on it.

..and of course your insufferably smug comment completely overlooks the point I made in my post above, that even if they do make an attempt to express their feeling publicly, they pay a high price due to pseudo liberal thuggery.

Don’t worry too much tho, the anger is growing steadily, and there will one day be a reckoning. You might get the uprising you wish for, but your sick little Progressive day dreams may be somewhat shattered when it does, for the “protesters” won’t be carrying placards and begging for your understanding, they be carrying Armalites and Uzis and firing real bullets.

I concur. People cheapen the term ‘genocide’ when they throw it around in conjunction with abortion. If these people truly believe such a thing is really occuring in New Zealand, then they would be cowards if this blog was the only place they shared this belief.

They would be attending rallies and pickets every weekend, and building a massive social movement. Not pissing around here.

I haven’t heard of anyone working at an abortion clinic being arrested and jailed.

And Penguin, whats yr stance?.

Is it ‘ a womens choice?’
Is it ‘ men decide?’
Is it ‘ too hard but a quiet news day?’
Is it ‘ none of your farking business, cause yr a dude and have no real cognition of whats its like to be enslaved to yr sex?’

You musta hada reason for sticking your claw into this pond?

I’ll tell you what is not amusing Mr. Mclauchlan. The smugness that oozes so overpoweringly from almost every post you write here, but especially so in this one.

The answer of course is that they cannot do much other than to try and change the consensus of a society whose morals have been slowly destroyed by the predominance of the likes of you, that it is not murder and not genocide. Most of them do that to the extent that they are able, and many pay the price for speaking out on the issue. They are physically attacked, arrested and jailed, slandered, their property vandalised, and they are of course routinely abused and maligned.

Its why I deem your kind Mr. McLauchlan, pseudo liberals, for while you profess to tolerance, anyone who speaks out against your Progressive religion will pay the price. Carrie Prejean is a recent and notable example. Just imagine what would have happened to her if she’d been asked about abortion.

This is always amusing – a question for all those who really believe that abortion is murder and that genocide is taking place, what are you doing to stop it (other than bickering on the internet)?

Please note I believe every father should pay,and pay well as I have 4 and no one ever has put a cent towards them as Im the father,the way it should be.
Taxpayers get flogged to much, my kids my responsibilty.

PS. No father on bitrth certificate ,no bennefit and if they dont know the father tough.