Children in trouble

May 3rd, 2009 at 8:12 am by David Farrar

The Sunday papers have two articles on the troubles of high profile Aucklanders.

The HOS reports Millie Holmes is back in court again:

Elder, 20, spent two nights in police cells last weekend after she was caught by a security guard at the Farmers store in Papakura with a scarf it is claimed she had shoplifted.

Police have also laid three new drugs charges against her – two of procuring and possessing methamphetamine and one of possession of cannabis.

Elder appeared in the Papakura District Court last Monday and is to reappear on May 19, two days before her 21st birthday.

That is sad enough. Her 21st should be one of the best times of her life, and instead she will be facing possible prison time for her latest alleged offending.

She was bailed to a Swanson, West Auckland, address, the home of Headhunter gang member Chris Morris, the father of Elder’s boyfriend Connor, a Headhunters prospect.

And most disturbingly, she is choosing to be bailed to a gang home, instead of her parents. You really have to feel for her parents – Paul and Hine. It must be your worst nightmare.

In the SST, they reveal:

ONE OF Auckland’s worst taggers is the son of millionaire former Fonterra boss . The Sunday Star-Times has learned that , 19, is behind the notorious SPEKT tag which has been daubed across buildings in East Auckland, including Mission Bay, where his parents live in a house valued at $7 million.

Norgate, an old boy of exclusive King’s College, brags about his activities on his Bebo website, which is titled “F… the police” and features photographs of his tags at different locations, including shops in Mission Bay. The website also features pictures of a nun smoking a bong and is full of gangsta rap-style rants about women and the police.

Not just a criminal, but also terminally stupid it seems.

Hegarty said Norgate’s only bail condition was to reside at Lorne St, downtown Auckland, but the Star-Times understands he is living in Christchurch where he attends university. It is unclear if his bail conditions have been altered to take this into account.

He’s a tagger – and at university??

Again you just have to feel for the parents.

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30 Responses to “Children in trouble”

  1. goodgod (1,348 comments) says:

    Celebrity crims. Could be a reality TV show in that.

    It’s hard to be concerned about this when our “justice” and “corrections”system is supporting their offending. Nothing can be done until that changes.

    I’m sure Craig Norgate is a smart guy, and deserves all the rewards he has won over is career, but awarding his son a sort of anti-celebrity status simply for being born is really scraping the bottom of the entertainment barrel :lol:

    But lets look at the bright side, Paul Holmes is off the liberal mind drugs:

    In February, he came out swinging against gangs. “I am not remotely frightened of the Headhunters or any of their scum ilk, or any of the useless, aspirationless, ambitionless young thugs who phone me, threateningly, day and night,” he said.

    “And as soon as all [political] parties get off their arses and, once and for all, find a way to ban the Headhunters, the Mongrel Mob, Highway 61, and all other filthy gangs, the better.”

    Go Paul!

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  2. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    Does New Zealand care about children? Child abuse stats suggest not. Talk about kids in trouble!

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  3. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    How smart are they? They sure as shit have no capacity for information retention.

    This Elder girl is starting to look like a complete write off.

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  4. mawm (211 comments) says:

    Both of these ‘kids’ have been given every opportunity to make a success of life. If they choose to mess it up, the chioce is theirs. They should be offered no sympathy and should face the full force of the law.

    I have some sympathy for the parents, but money does not replace love and time spent with one’s kids.

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  5. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    Some people go bad in spite of all the attention in the world mawm. The evidence is that elder got more attention than most of us. It does however raise the issue of lack of money being the driving factor behind other young criminals.

    It rather sugests that throwing money at either end of the problem is just pissing it away and some people are just plain bad. Extra cuddles wont change them now.

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  6. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,744 comments) says:

    So not a story about the “Evil Poor” for a change, which is nice.

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  7. Chris G (106 comments) says:

    sorry, why do you have to feel sorry for the parents?

    That assumes they brought their children up well – a rash assumption.

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  8. starboard (2,522 comments) says:

    Bail ‘em all in the care of Ms Bradford…she’s got all the answers

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  9. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    you could also not publicise it/them..eh dpf..?

    (havng yr cake..and eating it too..eh..?..)

    i’ve stayed away from what is an intensly private millie elder ‘story’..

    i only noted norgate-the-younger cos his pap is a dairy-pimp..

    ..and therefor fair game..

    why don’t you just try to step over the gutter..?

    ..dpf..?

    isn’t this the ‘new media’..?

    ..not a ‘truth’-wannabe..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  10. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    oh..!..hang on..!..that’s righ!..

    ..silly me..!..eh..?

    just the other day you had your (comment-pimping) pre-anzac-flag-burning-story..eh..?

    there are no limits..really..

    ..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

    [DPF: Off topic - 10 demerits]

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  11. Paul Marsden (991 comments) says:

    mawm (10) Vote: 3 0 Says:

    May 3rd, 2009 at 10:20 am
    Both of these ‘kids’ have been given every opportunity to make a success of life. If they choose to mess it up, the chioce is theirs. They should be offered no sympathy and should face the full force of the law.

    What ‘full force of the law”?? The law is a farce or, should I say those that administer the law ie. the limp-dick judges. These are the individuals who are appointed to uphold the rights of society and they alone, have to carry the burden of failing society in metering out penalites that will stop crime in its tracks.

    Norgate is just giving the two-finger sulute to society because he knows he can get away with his mayhem.

    There was a powerful lesson for all about justice in society, when tagging stopped overnight following the death of the tagger in Manurewa.

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  12. backster (2,142 comments) says:

    PAUL and GOOD GODare both right. The major criminal in these cases is the Justice System and the Judge. To allow such bail conditions is arrant stupidity and a complete abdication of responsibility to law abiding society. It also lets down the offenders by relieving them of any motivation to rehabilitate, indeed it motivates them to re-offend..Bail once was only granted on condition of a personal monetary guarantee, at least one separate surety estreated if all conditions were not complied with and only to an approved place of residence, surely the descent in societies standards are a result of the dominance of the feminazi within our Judicial system which has been so apparent this past decade.

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  13. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “off-topic’..?

    as another example of your recent gutter-journalism..

    it is entirely relevant..

    ..esp as my previous comment critiques on just those grounds..

    but hey..!

    your blog/rep..!

    ..eh..?..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  14. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    have another glass of wine/some more alcohol..!..dpf..!

    ..look..!..it’s past noon..!

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

    [DPF: And another 10 demerits]

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  15. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    phool I suggest you buck your ideas up, as you’ll get more horrible demerit points and lose your chance to nuke the place with deranged dots and ? and !. Not happy here don’t attack the skipper you stupid cabin boy!
    I wish the demerits I have gathered attacking you would be wiped as I was only acting in the best interests of the general public.

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  16. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    one positive.. being with the headhunters means she will be getting her drugs for free… she isnt hooking.. yet.

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  17. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    headhunters should be lined up and shot.Duck shooting joke.

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  18. tvb (4,329 comments) says:

    These are the spoilt kids of high achieving very hard working parents. It is not an unusual situation. I feel neglect is the issue here, but a different kind of neglect one often finds in poor households who see their children as a welfare income stream.

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  19. Paul Marsden (991 comments) says:

    tvb.

    Its very common. Kids who are given everything they demand nowadays, often find themselves on the wrong side of the law entering their teenage years. (It’s happened in my family). It didn’t happen in my day though, because we had respect for those in authority. Since the abolition of corporal punishment in schools and other changes in the education system, combined with soft-cock police and judges, the kids nowadays have free reign.

    The success of the broken-windows approach to crime (which is really the ambulance-at-the-bottom-of-the-cliff), however has proven to be wildly successful. The sooner we have it here in NZ, the better.

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  20. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    To right Paul Marsden, our country has been taken over by soft cock liberals and the seeds they have sown are mostly weeds. I sometimes wonder if the last government would have been happy for further breakdowns in society. As things slowly get worst greater controls on the people can be enforced but usually these controls effect only those that obey the law to start with.

    Who yanked Philu’s chain, for fucks sake what a two face arsehole. So Mr Norgate is fair came because his father is in a business that you despise. What sort of business is your father into Philu, please let us all know, was he a dairy man to, it may explain your problems but I fucking doubt it.

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  21. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    aww..!..for noting that one who celebrates/documents their alcohol intake..

    ..is likely ‘already there’ by now..?

    i mean..i’m hanging off a joint as i write this..

    (waiting for my cup of tea to ‘draw’..ah..!..the excitement..!..life..!..eh..?..)

    ..it’s a lovely sunny day..

    pissed as a fart by sundown..?

    d’yareckon..?

    pictures of the corks for us..?..to ‘envy’..?

    think of me..

    i’ll be toasted..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

    (step/stand well back..!..incoming demerits..!..)

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  22. joeAverage (311 comments) says:

    These two rich garbage persons plus your blues rugby team makes me happy that i live in Wellington, where the rich have sense, by not having bred fuckwit youth to tarnish the family name. The tagger should be stuck in bright pink overalls and marched around dorkland just cleaning up,opps money talks DIVERSION i expect. DORKLANDERS tag the old mans place.

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  23. starboard (2,522 comments) says:

    fuck you talk some shit philu

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  24. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    Maybe if Paul Holmes believed in smacking his kids he wouldn’t be having this grief.
    People like him have the gaul to tell other people how to raise their kids when he has this mess going on at home.
    Ask yourselves, If we were talking about kids of gang members doing what Pauls daughter is doing, would we be blaming the kid or the parents?

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  25. Flashman (184 comments) says:

    With respect David, your headline is misleading.

    These two are not by any stretch of a generously liberal imagination “children”.

    They are Adults.

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  26. Seán (397 comments) says:

    DPF Said: “Again you just have to feel for the parents”

    Hmmm, so if it’s poor kids in trouble, the catchcry is “blame the parents, they should take responsibility!!”. But if it’s rich kids doing the same it’s…..”feel for the parents”…??? Talk about double-standards!

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  27. Murray (8,845 comments) says:

    What you’ve “stayed away from” might have some meaning if anyone gave the slightest crap what visions the dak had been giving you this week phool.

    But no one does.

    Flashman, in the child parent relationship the rolls remain unchanged. “Child” is not defined by an age bracket within that context.

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  28. sally (26 comments) says:

    Sounds like Millie and Dylan had plenty of permissive parenting where turning a blind eye, no doubt blaming it on the school, their mates, and saying it is “just a phase” were all the type of nonsense trotted out to excuse these spoilt brats attention seeking behaviour.

    Having these ‘rich pricks’ acting up, challenges the PC theory of poverty being the root and excuse of criminal behaviour but still these two who had more advantages than 99% of the population still show a breathless disregard for society. Millie is the vunerable one of the two but that Dylan just sounds like an egostistical dickhead.

    On a slightly different note my teenage son informs me of the notion of ‘wigga’ that is white boys (with a good dollop from private schools and Decile 9-10 state schools) who are ‘wannabe’ gangstas – hence all the American ghetto talk, abusive rap music extolling the virtues of subjugating women, disrespecting the cops etc, baggy-arse clothing etc. Yup! It’s tough living on the Lower East Side of Karori, in the projects of Remuera, the state housing of Fendalton and the beneficiary ‘hood of Maori Hill.

    Thank god said teenage son just has a good larf at his school mates, many who live in far more salubrius settings than his own but when you scratch a bit further,most of these ‘wiggas’ are from solo-parent or divorced backgrounds. I will always believe that emotional strife and poor family communication has far more to do with criminal behaviour or intent, than what the bank balance says.

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  29. gangkiller (1 comment) says:

    Children in trouble
    it’s really sad too see another young woman caught up with these degenerate gangs.
    If I was the girl’s father, I would imperilment big actions to remedy big problems.
    I can’t believe she has been bailed to a gang member’s home. Question where do you think she gets her drugs from, the church.

    I believe these people, that this poor child are associated with are scum, and will only cause her further harm.
    I noted a comment earlier, The evil poor Good call.

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