What happened to my tax cut? You promised Mr Key.
It went into that big black hole Cullen created by spending all that money. If we didn’t have WFF available to people on $100k+ (and other nonsense churn schemes) and so many bureaucrats you could have it.
And where’s my fucking cycleway, jonkey?
Seeing as you can’t spell, I take it you can’t read – $50 million has been allocated to build it.
micky & billy are obviously angry and frustrated this morning.
But don’t be so negative guys! Shouldn’t you both be concentrating on rebuilding your loser Labour party back to relevance – so you can have a say and you won’t feel quite so inadequate?
I’ll give you some free advice – why elect a dickhead like Fill (in) Goff as your party leader? His “leadership” is a joke, which is no surprise – it’s becoming increasingly obvious that Fill and Rhys Darby are twins, separated at birth.
Your are both missing the firm discipline that Aunty Helyn gave you, but Fill will only ever be a weak pretender.
Have I missed something, is it another one of those special days like Mother’s day or something?. It’s not by any chance looney left day?. Given the lunacy of our first two posters one could be forgiven for thinking this.
billyborker @ 9.05am “And where’s my fucking cycleway, jonkey? You promised that, too.
Fucking lying cunts stole the election.”
If ever proof was needed that billyborker is nothing but a bitter and twisted leftie troll, he’s provided it from his own keyboard. He can’t even be factual – funding for the “fucking cycleway” was actually provided for in the budget.
The National Socialists promised tax cuts. They have not delivered tax cuts. In my book, that makes them lyinmg cunts who stole the election.
50 mil might be “allocated” for the cycle way, but where are the plans, when will the first sod be turned? How many times in the past have we seen governments allocate money for a pet poroject that never went ahead?
Stop cheer leading and hold your government to account.
[DPF: Slow learner - another 20 demerits. You can criticise the Budget without using the cunt word]
Owen I see part of the government’s reason to introduce an EFS is that if we do not sign up and follow the rules we may face trading sanctions. Well whippy fucking do, the yanks are now subsidising their dairy industry as the two faced Europeans are doing the same. Why the hell should we follow the rules when the pricks that are happy to impose them can change them at a whim. I say screw the aresholes, they have being taking to much in tariffs for years anyway.
Also Owen, I thought Nick Smith said that we were 250 mill in credit, or is 500 mill just a nice number to pluck out of the air. Does anyone really know how much we will owe or how much will be owed to us? . But I would bet my last dollar that we will always be the payer, that’s how this con works.
When is a centre or centre-right or right government going to look at the taxpayer funded voice of Leftism, Radio NZ.
Why should the academic, trendy portion of the left have its own taxpayer funded, advertising-free, well-staffed radio voice?
You just have to listen to Chris Laidlaw holding his Sunday morning socialist seminars, like today’s where we had “Equal Opportunities Commissioner” Judy McGregor, a trade unionist, and a lefty seeking Gummint action to raise wages of occupations with a high proportion of women. One of these feminists, themselves now ageing, used the phrase “white haired brigade” for male employers and male senior employees. Another speaker seemed to suggest that school support staff, mainly feminine, were discriminated against because they are paid less than prison guards, who are mainly men.
It’s relevant that Radio NZ will be the station of listening choice for many women, especially the ageing feminist brigade.
Radio NZ is an economic and political dinosaur. It survives from the days when it was expensive to set up a radio station, in equipment and in spectrum. This is no longer the case, especially for a talk station, which needs only AM. Compared with setting up a newspaper, opening a radio station costs peanuts, even if you buy your own transmitter.
Radio NZ is still expensive (multi-millions a year), yet the industry has marched on.
The political justification of the need for any radio and thus the state must provide it, lapsed well over half a century ago. The internet further antiquates the need for a state-funded radio network. Expanding state-funded media like Radio NZ into the internet is just madness, and yet it is happening. Poor bloody taxpayers.
Another aspect is that Radio NZ, being advertisement free, competes unfairly with commercial stations.
The easiest way out would be to first require Radio NZ to earn some of its revenue from advertising and sponsorship. Then it could be sold. If it floated great, if it sank well … another load off the taxpayer, and a few more millions for the health system or interest payments on the public debt that is set to rise again.
Firstly, its a fabulous day in the sunny Bay Of Plenty, (which is one good reason why I don’t live in Wellington).
The other is that it seems to attract a certain kind of person. One that lies, cheats, thinks that the rest of NZ should pay for them and their mates to exist and a lot more that seem to think their largess is good for NZ.
While it goes against the best of human nature to agree with mickeysavage he is without doubt correct. Despite DPF now playing interference for Kenglish and co there can be no doubt that the tax cuts were used to win the election, were responsible for many changing to National(among other reasons) and was without doubt used to moderate the number of voters who would have voted Act but were persuaded to vote National on the basis of the tax cuts without the paradigm shift in policy that Act would have bought to bear on fiscal policy.
To now use the Global Financial Crisis as the reason to cancel (and I think that I am right in saying to remove the legislation that supported those tax cuts, or at least that was what Trev was moaning about Friday), is completely disingenuous.
The financial crisis was well flagged early last year is anyone was watching and in Key we have a world money trader who confidently stood on the stage and told us he had the knowledge and we should believe him that he would lead us out of the mire.
To now turn around and say that oh well its worse than we thought etc etc. and to use that as the excuse for doing nothing requires a lot more scrutiny. Unfortunately that doesn’t happen because too many of you resort to name calling etc. and fail to see the message.
Now when the boot was on the other foot you lambasted (rightly) many of the things that Labour did but to now sit back and parrot “we won you lost STFU” with out being critical of your own leadership and its actions and indeed doing exactly what the Labourites did for their lot makes you the same as them and totally hypocritical.
Its about principle, something that the Nats are very poor at in practice. They are damm good at compromise which is why we are in the situation we are in now. ( A Catholic trait I might add.)
The tax cuts were about 1.5 million and it beggars belief that Kenglish couldn’t find that kind of cash within the system.
I have no doubt at all that all those that attack mickeysavage would have a dozen suggestions about where the money could be saved. You have all gone on about it for months and months.
So guys stop defending the indefensible and fire the bullets at the persons who are running the show now. Remind themthat they need to be accountable to yourselves and the electorate for what they promised, need to do and that you will pput the torch to their balls just like you did the Labour Party.
If you don’t then that shows a lack of principle and it opens the door far wider for Act at the next election, which I have no doubt will be what happens.
What the hell is it with the right wing and privatisation. If we were to sell Radio NZ then we wouldn’t be able to ensure a genuine Kiwi voice. There would be no obligation for us to have a diverse range of programming. It would all just be based on profit and money. Speaking of if “they only had the brains”….
[DPF: Slow learner - another 20 demerits. You can criticise the Budget without using the cunt word]
For one to be a learner, slow or otherwise, one needs to know the purpose of the lesson and have well presented training. Nowhere in your handing of the initial 20 was there a reason that it was solely the use of cunt that got you upset. Is clarity that hard to achieve?
That then raises another issue, dear to my heart, of why some words are seen to be socially acceptable whilst others of the exact same meaning are beyond the pale. So, what is the issue with cunt?
[DPF: If you want to play dumb, you can. But I have better things to do. And the context in which a word is used is relevant. If you ar not sure where the boundary is, my suggestion is you stay far away from it as 98% of people manage]
When is a centre or centre-right or right government going to look at the taxpayer funded voice of Leftism, Radio NZ.
You could equally ask, how can a govt ensure that all political viewpoints are disseminated neutrally throughout the entire govt and media sectors?
The education sector is a critical vehicle for disseminating political views in particular the tertiary sector which is why the commies pay so much attention to it. Secondary schools are also important, but are not as important as the tertiary sector, which is where the fertiliser is applied to the seeds planted in the secondary years.
Taking malleable 20-something minds and then sending them out into society to propagate their perspectives has paid off for the commies. How can a govt preserve freedom of academic discussion and at the same time re-balance the political education that occurs?
All I can suggest is that one needs to analyse how the commies have done it then apply the same processes – take them on at their own game. This will of course upset the commies. Good. Unfortunately, it’s a process that only takes hold over generations and if any conservative govt was to initiate it, it would be reversed the next time the lefties gained power. At the very least however what can be done, is to expose it using the same tactics that the commies use.
That is, eliminate from the secondary school curriculum all compulsory courses that have commie origins and replace them with compulsory courses teaching the exact opposite.
” What the hell is it with the right wing and privatisation.”
Are you that stupid that you don’t get something so simple? We want destroy the left, and the best way to do that is cut off every avenue of public funding, for without their ability to steal from the taxpayer, their unpopular ideas would never get any financial support.
Edit- Leaving aside the absolute idiocy of claiming that RNZ, that viper’s nest of extreme left propagandists, is any kind of “genuine kiwi voice”. For fuck’s sake.
I’m all for good debate, as I think the vast majority here are. After his last suspension I stated that BB just lowered the IQ of the room. whilst issing a challenge to show some logical and intelligent arguments.
As most are sure, a continued resortment to simple abuse without presenting an argument, whilst not even recognising the said fact, only goes to vindicate my presumption of the (lack of) capacities of this poster.
“Ratings only measure what is, not what may be desired” there’s another little gem called market research. tell me this, If that “genuine kiwi voice” wasn’t spilling out left wing propaganda then would you defend it with the same passion?
C’mon borker, you’re only 30 demerits off a month ban. Give it your best shot!
Aha … I was expecting BB to pick up on the Maccabi issue.
Many weeks ago, the Maccabi-North Caulfield Soccer Club fielded their first XI with only 2 Jewish players. They actively went on a recruitment drive of talent in order to play in the higher state league. The Australian Jewish News picked up on the story, and decided to run a front page article, and contacted the Maccabi Australia Incorporated for comment, which provoked a knee-jerk response, and PR disaster, not the least of which occurred within the Jewish Community.
Maccabi, as a secular sports organisation, provides outreach to Jewish people, many of whom do not practice religion in any other way. There has and will always be a number of non-Jewish people (or people from the fringe of the community) that belong. When someone joins a Maccabi club, nobody asks for proof that you are Jewish.
This is hardly a discrimination issue, but an issue for club administration for the Soccer club and community. BB – if you want to play a sport for a Maccabi club – come and join. Although I would suggest that given your previous demerits for anti-semitic remarks, you probably would be happier elsewhere..
The public and buyers would be protected by builders and developers having to pay into a compulsory insurance scheme or a fidelity fund.
Fresh thinking Rodney. But about the developer Rodney once described as his best mate, and was undoubtedly close to:
Dave Henderson, of the huge, failed Hendo’s Hole in Queenstown.
How would any reliable insurance fund rate a developer like Henderson. Also it would have to get the money from him well before “up front”. It would have to be pay premium before you scratch the ground to cut down a shrub.
And because an insurance scheme is ultimately an equalising scheme, wouldn’t solid contractors and builders end up paying for the stuffwits who did things like build leaky homes.
I believe in free markets, but it’s obvious they need solid, deep-pocketed, independent regulators and rules, and Rodney’s idea fails on that count.
As for Global Warming, Mrs Inventory, who as a Canterbury lass is not afraid of a bit of flakey white stuff falling from the skies has just driven the Desert Road and rang to tell me that road closure is imminent due to the heavy snow – and to think – winter hasn’t even started yet!
May 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
[DPF: I can always just reveal your actual name when I ban you, if you reach 100 demerits]
What, Frank Hardy? who’d have guessed?
Anyway, while capitalism eats its children, the nasty socialists are busy pulling its nuts from the fire. GM heads for bankruptcy, but Opel saved by a combination of statist intervention and and Kremlin bankers.
Rodney is onto something with shifting liabillity away from councils.
We are the only nation which has such a liability for ever.
In most countries the consenting authority’s liability ends after say 7 years or after the first sale.
This is because most countries have many old houses so people learn to use building surveyors to assess the property before they buy. If you 400 year old house in England sprung a leak who would expect to sue?
I don’t know about others, but I was disgusted by DPF’s threat to reveal a poster’s real name. Surely when people ‘sign on’ to take part in the debates here, it’s assumed that anonimity is assured and that our host won’t threaten us with exposure, simply because one uses the word ‘cunt’ (apologies to anyone upset by my use of the word, I’m simply quoting). This seems to me to be a very dictatorial and facist action and again, I’m very surprised that there has been no reaction from people who seem apposed to that kind of unilateral action. I hear the meme ‘Farrar can do as he wishes, it’s his blog’ and that’s true, but he’s undermining his credibility with threats like that. For the record, I don’t fear my name being displayed against my wishes. In fact I don’t give a flying fuck!
Watching Q&A this morning I was reminded about another of Neville Key’s promises that I suspect he will break.
Remember how he promised us a referendum on MMP?, given Key’s desperation to do a deal with the apartheid party and the Luddites I would not mind betting he has already decided that a national referendum on MMP is something “we can not afford”.
But I did not get it all and I can work out all by myself how much I should be receiving. And I can recall very clearly that nice Mr Key and that nice Mr English telling me that I would get it no matter what because National had done its sums and it was affordable.
billybonker im just a tired bitter old man but billy you are something else , REALLY NASTY and you think you are smart,BUT with nothing really going for you, ps who will you come back as , wont be hard to tell
Hi GM cooled down a bit hasn’t it. Feed the cows early this morning before the wind picked up, blows the hay away before they can eat it if to windy. Really nice morning but turned to shit about 11. Bloody cold now, the fire is roaring, even the ducks where coming in early. Anyhow do you think these lefty’s could up the heat a bit ? Don’t they have a climate change office or something equally as silly. Personally I was happier when God was running the show.
OMG I’m agreeing with Rodney Hide and Owen McShane on a local government issue…. what is the world coming to?
Why the heck does council have to have legal liability for developments? Sure they should tick all the boxes of the building consent stage and make sure the building won’t fall over and that it isn’t a sieve, but surely the developer should take most of the legal responsibility.
Perhaps the reason the law is how it stands is due to many developers forming companies for each development, then winding them up once complete. I know directors can be tracked down and all, but it might be a nightmare 5-7 years down the track to try to hold a development company liable for something. So perhaps it’s practicalities that has lumped liability on the councils?
Kingi, why is it disappointing, it was put to the people , the supreme court made the right call, the people had their say. Is there something you dislike about democracy?. Personally I don’t give a fat rat’s arsehole about gay “marriage”. I’m happy that gay people enjoy the same rights as those that are married, I’m not happy if this is defined as married, civil union is fine with me. A marriage is between a man and a woman, to define it any other way opens a pandora’s box.
I agree with SSB. Marriage has been, is, and will always be between a Man and a Woman.
That same sex couples may have the same opportunity, legal protection, tax status, and widowy rights is perfectly fine.
To call it a Marriage is wrong, and I cannot support that basic premise.
Rhetoric, sniping, huffing, and blackmail will never change my view. I get heartily sick of some GLTB types forever trying to politicise a ‘Lifestyle Choice’, that they happen to have made. Especially when they get so fucking smug, and start presupposing that they are the
They are not better, not more gifted, not more deserving, and simply different. Different enough for your respected Union in life to be called another name. Marriage, not a fucking chance darlinks.
Turn it around the other way jarbury, if the word marriage means nothing why then the push from the gay community to have couples declared married. I contend that a marriage is between a man and a woman and what would you declare it to be?
Shit you full of it, so the gay community has decided that they want a choice between a marriage or a civil union? Please, spare me. Since when has the world been run by the gay community or has there been a new directive from the UN. You fail to explain why the word marriage is so important to the gay community, if you can not do this I will tell you. Yes semantics but don’t try and bullshit me mate.
GM not sure if their love is “pure” don’t really care but I do agree with you, their ultimate desire is for control. That’s why marriage is so important to these people. If a marriage is between a man and a woman but is now between a man and a man or a woman and a woman then why not a man and a child or a woman and a her German shepherd, marriage has no clear borders anymore. What I’m trying to say is that they are trying to remove the definition of marriage is, plus a lot more.
“…marriage has no clear borders anymore. What I’m trying to say is that they are trying to remove the definition of marriage…”
Exactly right SSB.
Aren’t people silly when they confuse gay marriage, a particularly insidious, evil and malicious social engineering agenda, with a human “right?”
Very sad to see that more than a few useful idiots on the conservative side have been sucked into that vortex. I expect of course, useful idiocy to abound in lefties, but I would have thought those conservatives who think it’s about human rights would have had a bit more perspicacity.
A point about the Super City Maori seats which has been overlooked is that an unexpected outcome will be to increase the power of the planners who have developed a state religion called “the Maori world view”.
Just have a look at your District Plan. A chapter called “Maori Issues” or some such will open with a statement along the lines “Maori believe …. and generally set out the belief systems of the Pacific Religion which was widely held prior to European contact and the widespread adoption of Christianity. One of my Maori neighbours is a Mormon and most of the Maori around the neighbourhood are Ratana Christian and deeply resent the claim (in a set of regulations) that they are not.
The word racism is tossed about in NZ but could there be anything more racist than presuming that all members of one ethnic group hold the same religious beliefs?
Imagine if your district plan had a chapter saying “Europeans believe in Genesis, and the Garden of Eden ….”, or that Arabs are Muslims or that Chinese are Taoists, or that Irish are Catholics.
But if the presumption of a common religion to Maori takes even greater hold then we can expect the Miusim population (who can be of any ethnicitiy) will make a claim for Muslim beliefs to be entrenched in law using the Maori precedent.
I shall be posting a lengthy analysis of this issue on my web site to promote further discussion of this issue.