Comments on: Laws on Lee

By: clintheine

clintheine — Mon, 25 May 2009 18:03:36 +0000

Greens are best? Yeah like that is a popular saying on the dinner tables throughout the nation. Green policy is like forcing kids to eat all their greens with the promise of no desert. Unpalatable and unreasonable.

By: Jeff83

Jeff83 — Mon, 25 May 2009 08:12:48 +0000

The fact that many members here try to justify the pro tour side in 1981 saddens me considerably, although doesnt surprise me. What does is the overwhelming ‘in favour’ marks, especially when the arguments put forward make as little sense as many of them do.

Maybe looking in a mirror is just to hard for some people.

By: emmess

emmess — Sun, 24 May 2009 23:06:44 +0000

Greens – best and brightest my arse
There was a demographic breakdown of a Herald poll before the election last year showing one in three green supporters were unemployed
Google it if you don’t believe me

By: Murray

Murray — Sun, 24 May 2009 23:01:14 +0000

The assumption that the overseas “brightest and best” voters who prop up the extremist loonie party is amusing.

Our brightest and best went to mainly Oz. The green party collect most of their votes from the stoner OE demographic in kangaroo valley, London.

Hardly the poster kids interlectual ability.

The fact is that no one is willing to live with greens on their doorstep. Hell they can’t one single electorate, not even the Coromandel stoner community can get them in.

Your solgan sould be “You don’t have to be stonned to vote green, but…. dude what was I saying…”

By: village idiot

village idiot — Sun, 24 May 2009 21:00:09 +0000

Heine said: “The Greens are so proud to say they have the biggest amount of supporters living overseas…. gee I wonder why?”

Our brightest and best leave our shores because they are bright and want to see the world. Once they are outside of the Labour Government/National Government net, they see “Green is best”. That’s why Clinty!

By: david

david — Sun, 24 May 2009 20:50:52 +0000

clintheine (640) Vote: 2 0 Says:

May 25th, 2009 at 4:44 am

“Get off the grass gentlemen.”

If only. We might get some more sense out of the Greens if they did.

By: Murray

Murray — Sun, 24 May 2009 20:46:40 +0000

New Zealand universtities are places that have instructions in the toilets.

When undergrads can pass motions without a step by step guide they might be ready for the real world.

But not before.

By: clintheine

clintheine — Sun, 24 May 2009 16:44:21 +0000

And yet the Greens are so proud to say they have the biggest amount of supporters living overseas…. gee I wonder why? If I voted Greens I’d want to get the hell out of NZ too in case I had to live with their endless rules and regulations they have tried to enforce on us all.

Aww Sonic, it isn’t your fault. Don’t worry I do feel sorry for you too. That and Tuija/Robinsod who thinks that Greens are well educated?!? Yes I am sure that the most intelligent of us like morris dancing and recycling our own excrement.

Get off the grass gentlemen. The Green movement around the world is only known for never taking showers and hugging trees. If you had a collective braincell, would would you guys want to ban us from doing everything. We all know the cleverest people vote for the right wing parties and promote individualism. You Greens seem to think that Govt knows best – which is the stupidest concept ever.

But good try…….

By: Jim

Jim — Sun, 24 May 2009 14:30:17 +0000

I’m not a fan of Laws, but sometimes he seems to hit on to something.

At one stage I was close to thinking Lee was hopelessly out of her depth. The media was doing their very best to highlight every gaffe.

However after watching the AUSA footage I got the feeling that her critics were the greater idiots. Somehow they have done her a great service. Now I just seem to automatically associate blind criticism of Lee as coming from people of the mental calibre of AUSA. Lee has started to look brighter than her critics.

I was at Auckland University in the latter half of the 80′s. AUSA certainly never came up with anything intelligent back then (they knew how to booze and smoke weed though). Seems nothing has changed.

By: reid

reid — Sun, 24 May 2009 12:19:49 +0000

But the demography of NZ Green supporters is pretty much the same for the Green movement world wide
Highly educated and most likely to have a degree, in as much as we have a higher porportion of highly educated people then all other parties.

Which superficially makes the utter naivity, impracticality and lunacy of ALL your policies inexplicable, until one asks: Of your membership, what percentage (relative to other parties) work in fields that live or die on commercial reality: i.e. fields other than Academia, Education, Politics, Diplomacy, Churches and the civil service?

Looking forward to THAT stat, Tuija.

By: Rex Widerstrom

Rex Widerstrom — Sun, 24 May 2009 11:44:08 +0000

Geez I go away for a week and it’s like I never left. An inept blunder by Melissa Lee is still being deconstructed to an extent that’d make a post modern poetry lecturer proud, and Michael Laws is still penning ill-thought-out reactionary nonsense hoping that piggybacking on anything controversial will generate a bit of self-publicity.

Clearly no candidate for Mt Albert has said anything more interesting than that during a week of intense campaigning under the glare of every news outlet in the country.

Meanwhile sonic says:

he sounds like some slathering old man getting hot and bothered by a good looking woman.

Well if it looks like a slathering old man getting hot and bothered, and it sounds like a slathering old man getting hot and bothered…

By: Tuija

Tuija — Sun, 24 May 2009 11:43:53 +0000

Actually Clint the Green Movement has its beginnings in the Values party which was formed in 1973
And it this might be a bitter pill for you to swallow Clint
But the demography of NZ Green supporters is pretty much the same for the Green movement world wide
Highly educated and most likely to have a degree, in as much as we have a higher porportion of highly educated people then all other parties.
Also other studies have shown that most serial killers are right wingers which sort of makes sense when you think of it the me me mine point of you etc
There isn’t a day that goes by when you and other nutjobs wax on about communists and pinko leftties etc
Its so bloody shrill and predictable and out of touch with reality, if it wasn’t so pathethic it would be amusing
Anyway TFB as zepeddee would say

By: sonic

sonic — Sun, 24 May 2009 11:08:29 +0000

I see Clint, the real issue on the Springbok tour is not those who supported apartheid, it is that those who opposed were one and all, MEMBERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNIST PARTY!!!!!

Do you ever get bored with that warmed over McCarthyism Clint, or are you going to turn into a junior Trevor Louden on us?

By: Paul Williams

Paul Williams — Sun, 24 May 2009 11:00:44 +0000

Lee must be well pleased that Laws has endorsed her, that’s high praise. He could’a been a contender apparently… but for his difficulties with the, umm, truth.

By: clintheine

clintheine — Sun, 24 May 2009 10:26:09 +0000

Err, Toad/Frog etc I think you conveniently forget that there was no proper organised “Green” movement during the time of the Springbok tour. At that time the Greens were all submerged in the Socialist Unity, International Socialist, Trotskyist, Communist League and all the other far left movements. We were still in the height of communism, when your movements were at their peak

Now with the fall of communism the Green movement has allowed you almost the same sorts of funding and sympathy from the usual sectors. The same sympathy we give people who are unable to swallow their own saliva and are wheeled about everywhere….don’t worry, it isn’t your fault

By: trout

trout — Sun, 24 May 2009 10:14:09 +0000

My take on the fracas at Auckland Uni relates to a growing concern that students have developed an anti Asian attitude because of the rapid increase in the number of Asians at the Uni and their success. Mellissa Lee is one of a growing number of strong, articulate, successful Asian kiwis. She may not have the political smarts but get used to it, she represents the future. Could it be that the students have tried to drag her down by projecting on to her their deep seated racist attitude towards Asians, especially female Asians?

By: Glutaemus Maximus

Glutaemus Maximus — Sun, 24 May 2009 09:51:35 +0000

Think that the mocking and contrived outburst from the students will give Ms Lee a marvellous filip.

They really didnt’ think that through did they?

Undergraduates, not that bright really.

By: Patrick Starr

Patrick Starr — Sun, 24 May 2009 09:40:59 +0000

Toad “I thought you would be the last to suggest that parties should control or monitor what their members do”
I’m not suggesting anything of the sort. I’m merely pointing out that the Greens are donkey deep in most minority cause protests in this country, be it officially or unofficially.
As much as you may think your at arms length you have List candidates on your web site who describe their qualifications to be elected to parliamnent as “civil distruption and property damage”. Your party encourages it.
In fact with the amount of this ‘organised crime’ your senior members have been involved in I’d be surprised if you didn’t have your logo deemed a gang patch

By: Rebel Heart

Rebel Heart — Sun, 24 May 2009 09:38:54 +0000

Ching Chong dear boy do try harder, now I know you had a South Island education but even they know the plural of Maori is Maori. You would not want to be as uninformed as those Whanganui types would you? I think you’ll find that Pasifika people are overly represented in South Auckland crime stats, and that there is an Asian content as well. To say that it is a “Maari” problem (your bastardisation of the language, not mine ) is ill-informed, and as racist as the comments of Melissa Lee which you condemn Rebel Heart.

Like I said… I don’t care about political correctness… I honestly don’t give a crap if it’s spelt Maori, Maoris or Maaris or whether or not I’m well-informed about how to spell it. Also I’m condemning Lee for not being upfront ‘racist’ (supposedly) enough.

By: Patrick Starr

Patrick Starr — Sun, 24 May 2009 09:27:07 +0000

Semantics Toad. Why would anyone have gone to ‘watch’ it that didnt ‘support’ it. You support it by watching it.
Must admit though I missed a bit of it – I got distracted, half the fun was sconning the demonstrators with beer cans. I think I got about 6 of the twits
(not the aluminum ones either – they were good heavy steel buggers in those days)