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	<title>Comments on: Lee says she expects to come second</title>
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		<title>By: mavxp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565867</link>
		<dc:creator>mavxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s wrong with Ms Lee&#039;s comments is assuming a By-election is purely about party politics. It isn&#039;t, or rather shouldn&#039;t be - especially this one, where the outcome will not change the government.

The main thrust of any would be Mt Albert MP&#039;s campaign, should be what the people of Mt Albert get for an MP who will serve the interests of the constituency. Forget party policies for a minute and focus on **providing a service to Mt Albert**.

Any flavour MP could have it if they campaign to do just that. What did HC ever do for Mt Albert while MP? Surely she was too busy being top-dog to *really* serve Mt Albert (actually I think she was probably astute enough to serve Mt Albert quite faithfully - knowing who actually provided her with her powerbase, but it&#039;s an angle worth going for). 

So now&#039;s the chance to show Mt Albert what a local MP without PM duties can do for them - Melissa should be claiming she will be there at every Transit meeting with residents about the proposed motorway, will campaign for them to ensure the design fulfills the needs of nearby residents so that property prices rise and not fall from the development (better access to transport links tends to result in increased value of properties), etc etc. - even badgering her MP colleagues in Parliament that are in charge of Transportation &quot;working on the inside&quot; for them. An MP in opposition would get less done for them etc. There are many ways to turn this campaign - but it starts from focusing on the needs of the local electorate and standing to be their champion in Parliament. 

Focus always on the positives, and what she can do for them. Party politics as a basis for argument for how to vote should be relegated to the dustbin for this campaign. 

my 2c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s wrong with Ms Lee&#8217;s comments is assuming a By-election is purely about party politics. It isn&#8217;t, or rather shouldn&#8217;t be &#8211; especially this one, where the outcome will not change the government.</p>
<p>The main thrust of any would be Mt Albert MP&#8217;s campaign, should be what the people of Mt Albert get for an MP who will serve the interests of the constituency. Forget party policies for a minute and focus on **providing a service to Mt Albert**.</p>
<p>Any flavour MP could have it if they campaign to do just that. What did HC ever do for Mt Albert while MP? Surely she was too busy being top-dog to *really* serve Mt Albert (actually I think she was probably astute enough to serve Mt Albert quite faithfully &#8211; knowing who actually provided her with her powerbase, but it&#8217;s an angle worth going for). </p>
<p>So now&#8217;s the chance to show Mt Albert what a local MP without PM duties can do for them &#8211; Melissa should be claiming she will be there at every Transit meeting with residents about the proposed motorway, will campaign for them to ensure the design fulfills the needs of nearby residents so that property prices rise and not fall from the development (better access to transport links tends to result in increased value of properties), etc etc. &#8211; even badgering her MP colleagues in Parliament that are in charge of Transportation &#8220;working on the inside&#8221; for them. An MP in opposition would get less done for them etc. There are many ways to turn this campaign &#8211; but it starts from focusing on the needs of the local electorate and standing to be their champion in Parliament. </p>
<p>Focus always on the positives, and what she can do for them. Party politics as a basis for argument for how to vote should be relegated to the dustbin for this campaign. </p>
<p>my 2c</p>
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		<title>By: clintheine</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565866</link>
		<dc:creator>clintheine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GNZ - John has done well for the right and deserves better. Mt Albert might not be the best place for him to shine but at least he will walk away from this looking better than Wussel does - who still has done nothing significant in his short painfully useless political career. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GNZ &#8211; John has done well for the right and deserves better. Mt Albert might not be the best place for him to shine but at least he will walk away from this looking better than Wussel does &#8211; who still has done nothing significant in his short painfully useless political career. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565337</link>
		<dc:creator>GNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 04:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) The national voters are not going to en-masse vote in their worst enemy even if it does score some points against Labour. I doubt if more than a trivial amount of people really hate labour that much. 

2) Lees chances of winning Mt Albert are about what they were before she was anounced as the candidate - somwhere between 0 and 1%... which is only a million times better than the greens chances. 
But we all know the greens are there just for the national publicity.

Act on the other hand has exactly 0% chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) The national voters are not going to en-masse vote in their worst enemy even if it does score some points against Labour. I doubt if more than a trivial amount of people really hate labour that much. </p>
<p>2) Lees chances of winning Mt Albert are about what they were before she was anounced as the candidate &#8211; somwhere between 0 and 1%&#8230; which is only a million times better than the greens chances.<br />
But we all know the greens are there just for the national publicity.</p>
<p>Act on the other hand has exactly 0% chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565235</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 21:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am a Green but not a communist&quot;

are you telling us you are on the Green list?  If not then how is what you are relevant to my observation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am a Green but not a communist&#8221;</p>
<p>are you telling us you are on the Green list?  If not then how is what you are relevant to my observation?</p>
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		<title>By: Tuija</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565232</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 21:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No can&#039;t format it any better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No can&#8217;t format it any better</p>
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		<title>By: Tuija</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565231</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 21:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are the dates that Kiwiblog posted since 14th APRIL on Mount ALBERT
see if you can spot the time when Melissa Fucked up
MAY
22
19
14 x 2
12 x3
11 x 2
9
7×2
6×2
5×2
4×4
3×2
2
1
APRIL
30
29
28
28 x4
27
26
25
24
23
23
22
21 x2
20 x2
17
16 x 2
14 x 3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the dates that Kiwiblog posted since 14th APRIL on Mount ALBERT<br />
see if you can spot the time when Melissa Fucked up<br />
MAY<br />
22<br />
19<br />
14 x 2<br />
12 x3<br />
11 x 2<br />
9<br />
7×2<br />
6×2<br />
5×2<br />
4×4<br />
3×2<br />
2<br />
1<br />
APRIL<br />
30<br />
29<br />
28<br />
28 x4<br />
27<br />
26<br />
25<br />
24<br />
23<br />
23<br />
22<br />
21 x2<br />
20 x2<br />
17<br />
16 x 2<br />
14 x 3</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565225</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 12:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning!  The thread goes on!

Give Russel more muscle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning!  The thread goes on!</p>
<p>Give Russel more muscle!</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565220</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 11:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tuija said: &lt;i&gt;These are the dates that Kiwiblog posted since 14th APRIL on Mount ALBERT   see if you can spot the time when Melissa Fucked up&lt;/i&gt;

Well done Tuija, 31 fuckups by Melissa coinciding with 29 Kiwiblog posts about Mt Albert.  I&#039;ve checked, and I think you&#039;ve got it pretty much right.

Pity we can&#039;t use the html table tag here though - would have made your post much more concise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tuija said: <i>These are the dates that Kiwiblog posted since 14th APRIL on Mount ALBERT   see if you can spot the time when Melissa Fucked up</i></p>
<p>Well done Tuija, 31 fuckups by Melissa coinciding with 29 Kiwiblog posts about Mt Albert.  I&#8217;ve checked, and I think you&#8217;ve got it pretty much right.</p>
<p>Pity we can&#8217;t use the html table tag here though &#8211; would have made your post much more concise.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuija</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565217</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 10:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more of a Marxist actually</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more of a Marxist actually</p>
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		<title>By: Tuija</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565216</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 10:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Green but not a communist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Green but not a communist</p>
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		<title>By: Chris G</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565215</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 10:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did a post about melissa lee admitting defeat somehow fool redbaiter in to thinking it was a climate change discussion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did a post about melissa lee admitting defeat somehow fool redbaiter in to thinking it was a climate change discussion?</p>
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		<title>By: Tuija</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565212</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 10:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are the dates that   Kiwiblog posted since 14th APRIL on Mount ALBERT
see if you can spot the time when Melissa Fucked up
MAY
22
19
14 x 2
12 x3
11 x 2
9 
7x2
6x2
5x2
4x4
3x2
2
1
APRIL
30
29
28
28 x4
27
26
25
24
23
23
22
21 x2
20 x2
17
16 x 2
14 x 3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the dates that   Kiwiblog posted since 14th APRIL on Mount ALBERT<br />
see if you can spot the time when Melissa Fucked up<br />
MAY<br />
22<br />
19<br />
14 x 2<br />
12 x3<br />
11 x 2<br />
9<br />
7&#215;2<br />
6&#215;2<br />
5&#215;2<br />
4&#215;4<br />
3&#215;2<br />
2<br />
1<br />
APRIL<br />
30<br />
29<br />
28<br />
28 x4<br />
27<br />
26<br />
25<br />
24<br />
23<br />
23<br />
22<br />
21 x2<br />
20 x2<br />
17<br />
16 x 2<br />
14 x 3</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565211</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 10:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, parrot the line as often as you want, but hardly anyone believes it.  Hell, the Greens even have a Memorandum of Understanding to advance shared poliy interests with the National-led governement.  You think they would have done that if they thought the Greens &quot;communists&quot;?  You&#039;re pretty much out on your own (oh, and with &#039;Bater and gd and a few others like Ian Wishart) on that conspiracy theory.

If John Key and Bill English believed your line, do you really think they would have ever agreed to a MoU?  Actually, if they had believed your line, they probably would have passed legislation to ban the Green Party by now - under urgency, like they allowed Rodney Hide to do with the legislation to take away the local democracy of people living in the Auckland region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, parrot the line as often as you want, but hardly anyone believes it.  Hell, the Greens even have a Memorandum of Understanding to advance shared poliy interests with the National-led governement.  You think they would have done that if they thought the Greens &#8220;communists&#8221;?  You&#8217;re pretty much out on your own (oh, and with &#8216;Bater and gd and a few others like Ian Wishart) on that conspiracy theory.</p>
<p>If John Key and Bill English believed your line, do you really think they would have ever agreed to a MoU?  Actually, if they had believed your line, they probably would have passed legislation to ban the Green Party by now &#8211; under urgency, like they allowed Rodney Hide to do with the legislation to take away the local democracy of people living in the Auckland region.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565209</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 10:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but I can tell you that approximately 30% of National Party voters would prefer the Green Party as National’s coalition partner&quot;

Toad, you are fucken dreaming. What was the public opinion survey question? - do you care about the environment - or do you want the Greens as your coalition partner? - yeah, I&#039;ll bet it was some obscure question

I also think you&#039;re confused about why so many Nats supporters detest the Greens &quot;hard anti-environment right&quot; - nothing to do with anti environment, but everything to do with communists pretending to be environmentalists</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but I can tell you that approximately 30% of National Party voters would prefer the Green Party as National’s coalition partner&#8221;</p>
<p>Toad, you are fucken dreaming. What was the public opinion survey question? &#8211; do you care about the environment &#8211; or do you want the Greens as your coalition partner? &#8211; yeah, I&#8217;ll bet it was some obscure question</p>
<p>I also think you&#8217;re confused about why so many Nats supporters detest the Greens &#8220;hard anti-environment right&#8221; &#8211; nothing to do with anti environment, but everything to do with communists pretending to be environmentalists</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565206</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 10:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick Starr said: &lt;i&gt;so tell me again Joshua, why is it a smart thing for National-leaning people to vote Greens?&lt;/i&gt;

Because, Patrick, you and I (and jarbury) are activists.  We don&#039;t see things the way most voters do.

I can&#039;t quote you sources because this is from confidential public opinion survey information, but I can tell you that approximately 30% of National Party voters would prefer the Green Party as National&#039;s coalition partner. 

Scary for those of you out there on the hard anti-environment right, isn&#039;t it, but I&#039;m afraid that&#039;s the way the public sees it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick Starr said: <i>so tell me again Joshua, why is it a smart thing for National-leaning people to vote Greens?</i></p>
<p>Because, Patrick, you and I (and jarbury) are activists.  We don&#8217;t see things the way most voters do.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t quote you sources because this is from confidential public opinion survey information, but I can tell you that approximately 30% of National Party voters would prefer the Green Party as National&#8217;s coalition partner. </p>
<p>Scary for those of you out there on the hard anti-environment right, isn&#8217;t it, but I&#8217;m afraid that&#8217;s the way the public sees it.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565200</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 09:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no Joshua - why is it a &#039;smart&#039; thing ?

Yiou honeslty believe we want to really piss Labour off by throwing the greens a life line? - (go back to your joint)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no Joshua &#8211; why is it a &#8216;smart&#8217; thing ?</p>
<p>Yiou honeslty believe we want to really piss Labour off by throwing the greens a life line? &#8211; (go back to your joint)</p>
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		<title>By: jarbury</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565195</link>
		<dc:creator>jarbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 08:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same as what I said yesterday:

&lt;blockquote&gt;1) Melissa Lee is clearly out of the running.
2) Lots of borderline Greens/Labour voters will now feel safe voting Greens, knowing their vote won’t split the centre-left.
3) It would really piss Labour off losing Mt Albert.
4) The Greens got 3,846 party votes in the 08 election in Mt Albert, Act got 1,227. So Boscawen doesn’t really have a hope of winning it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same as what I said yesterday:</p>
<blockquote><p>1) Melissa Lee is clearly out of the running.<br />
2) Lots of borderline Greens/Labour voters will now feel safe voting Greens, knowing their vote won’t split the centre-left.<br />
3) It would really piss Labour off losing Mt Albert.<br />
4) The Greens got 3,846 party votes in the 08 election in Mt Albert, Act got 1,227. So Boscawen doesn’t really have a hope of winning it.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565191</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 07:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so tell me again Joshua, why is it a smart thing for National-leaning people to vote Greens?

pfffft.....snigger snigger.....BAW HAHA    LMFAO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so tell me again Joshua, why is it a smart thing for National-leaning people to vote Greens?</p>
<p>pfffft&#8230;..snigger snigger&#8230;..BAW HAHA    LMFAO</p>
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		<title>By: jarbury</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565189</link>
		<dc:creator>jarbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 07:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad expat has seen the light and realises that the smartest thing for National-leaning people to do is vote Greens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad expat has seen the light and realises that the smartest thing for National-leaning people to do is vote Greens.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuija</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/lee_says_she_expects_to_come_second.html#comment-565186</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 06:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile
Lee says she expects to come second
Unbelievable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile<br />
Lee says she expects to come second<br />
Unbelievable</p>
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