I presume that the National, Labour, ACT, Bill and Ben, ALCP, Kiwi, United Future, Libertarianz, Human Rights, People before Profit and People’s Choice parties have all made some statement about the Taliban’s wet dream, or is STI just off on a mission of his own?
Perhaps the most important contribution an honest assessment of the incompatibility between science and religious doctrine can provide is to make it starkly clear that in human affairs — as well as in the rest of the physical world — reason is the better guide.
Simeon, that’s an interesting claim on the site you referenced-
The original question we submitted to the Clerk of the House of Representatives back in early 2007 was
“should a smack in the context of positive parental correction be a criminal offence in NZ?”
As required by the CIR Act 1993, the Clerk published the question in the Gazette and advertised the question in all major papers with an invitation for anyone to submit their opinion on the wording of the question over a 28 day period.
Only two submissions were received. One from a couple who stated their opinion that a smack should never be a criminal offence, and the other from the Ministry of Justice.
But that is not the exact wording of the referendum question is it?
I thought the question was-
“Should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?”
A paid troll shows up and verbally mastabtes then accuse others of the same while an unpaid troll using taxpayers money to fund his drug addiction squeals “look at me look at me” while giving positive reviews to his own fucked up illiterate vebalisations.
Both repeat post like bedwetting pryomaniac speecial needs cases.
“Credit for Australia’s own era of renewed enlightenment goes to Dr. Ian Plimer, a well-known Australian geologist. Earlier this year he published “Heaven and Earth,” a damning critique of the “evidence” underpinning man-made global warming. The book is already in its fifth printing. So compelling is it that Paul Sheehan, a noted Australian columnist — and ardent global warming believer — in April humbly pronounced it “an evidence-based attack on conformity and orthodoxy, including my own, and a reminder to respect informed dissent and beware of ideology subverting evidence.” Australian polls have shown a sharp uptick in public skepticism; the press is back to questioning scientific dogma; blogs are having a field day.”
The real import of this is the Cap and Trade legislation about to be introduced today by the Obama administration is the most insidious evil policy to make it to the house floor in recent decades. This legislation gives the government the legal right to interfere in every single aspect of our lives. To tax and control every single thing we might do or think of doing.
So we have utterly corrupt and damaging legislation underpinned by lies and fabrication.
We have fascism driven by deceit.
Worse, Labour’s spokesman on the issue, Chucky Chauvel, is convinced the same disaster should be enacted here, (ETS) and as usual, bereft of argument and ideas, National are going along with it.
IMHO there is already plenty of reason to be disappointed by National, and their inexplicable inability to articulate any ideas in opposition to those of the left, but if they go for this destructive deceitful plan, then they’re a complete dead loss as any real kind of political force, and will go down in history as empty vessels who betrayed NZ to the global socialists.
And one must ask why are governments going along with various ETS’s? Simply because THAT is what the rent seeker capitalists want. When it was simply a “green” issue, it was low key, but the minute the thieving class saw potential for huge gains at no risk, they were in.
Derivatives? CDO’s? ETS? All cut from the same cloth as the South Sea Bubble and the Dutch Tulip Mania. Greed.
Capitalism is not just eating its children, it is eating itself.
I actually wrote this a few days ago but maybe it can be dedicated to MJ…
Don’t Give Me
Don’t give me an artificial body
Don’t give me a scalpel sculptured face
No toxinated de-inflated, pumped up, recalibrated
straightened shortened lengthened waved
There’s none of it that can be saved
Unless accepting how you are
Retaining natural aging star
Don’t give me weird
Don’t give me taut
Don’t give me anything that’s bought
Don’t give me stark
Don’t give me wrought
It shouldn’t take a second thought
Don’t give me anything
Redbaiter, I agree with you about the National Socilaists. They are failing miserably but that doesn’t stop their rabid supporters from being vile.
This from Whaleoil. Heatley trying to Bag Goff when Heatley has just announced exactly the same policy that Goff put into place in the eighties. Innovative policy from the National Socialists.
((Grant Michael McKenna June 27th, 2009 at 8:47 am ))
It’s not a Taliban’s wet dream, Its a New Zealand wet dream to think we can stop it.
Today New Zealand only goes into trouble spots in the world when invited to by the UN as peace keepers.
The UN condemned the US invasion of Iraq, so we were not involved. We are in Afghanistan as peace keepers, because it is sanctioned by the UN, under a UN flag of command.
Indonesia a close neighbour is already planning to build a Nuclear Power Station in 2010 in our own backyard.
This from The People’s Choice Party.. Rusty Kane… blog 3/13/07 … on the effects of global warming.
Nuclear Carbon Free NZ
Insurance companies will soon distance themselves from the very real effects of global warming and the huge costs involved, annual cyclone; storm; property; crop and flooding damage. Todays added demands on energy will even be greater than ever before with the now growing economies such as India and China. The Insurance companies know that alternative renewable energy sources will not be enough and have little immediate effect to slow down global warming, and the effects will soon bankrupt them, if they don’t act now to protect themselves. Governments will have to carry the costs building and developing renewable alternative energy sources, others will continue to develop nuclear and fossil fuel Power Stations, to realistically meet their energy needs. Indonesia a close neighbour is already planning to build a Nuclear Power Station in 2010. New Zealand will be one of the only countries in the world that is able to be both nuclear free and carbon neutral. For this to happen New Zealand first needs to quickly faze out coal and gas powered Power Stations. and replace them with renewable energy sources. This will make New Zealand carbon neutral with long term benefits in carbon credits. If we act now, New Zealand could be both nuclear and carbon free in the future.
Regarding climate change, I’d just like to put up a flag that I’m a sceptic, and have been ever since I began delving into the science behind AGW.
I don’t expect a medal for it, or a big fuzzy hug, I just want it ‘publicly’ recorded that I don’t, and never have, believed the AGW myth, so that in ten years from now, or thirty, or two, however long it takes for the AGW house of cards to come crashing down, I will be able to point people here as proof that I was right.
I must confess, I’m starting to feel a little smug seeing a few of my contemporaries swimming against the tide on AGW. It’s unbecoming, but there you go.
Viking2 … you become objectionable when you lable the National Coalition Government “National Socialist”. I thought I had gleaned from a earlier posting that you might be a serving military officer and if you are, to use that discriptive denegrates your profession (and your personal professionalism) and is plainly offensive to all those who died in WW2 fighting the Nazi mennace.
I don’t know if you saw the actual exchange in the House. Goff was pathetic and was made to look pathetic. The Labour Party (under Goff) is totally opposed to allowing State House tenants purchase their homes and never mind that the purchase price is being recycled back into new state housing stock. Goff was a Minister when they canned that policy of the previous National government and if you believe he is about to reverse a Labour icon policy then I guess you also believe that Elvis is alive and working in Hawera.
In the meantime you need to work out for yourself whether you can continue to support ACT and Rodney as a loyal and effective coalition partner or go and pitch your tent alongside Goff and listen in rapture sas he continues to promote platitudes over policy. He is nothing, stands for everything and nothing all at once, and under his leadership Labour will continue its rudderless drift to the left, right, centre and anywhere in the political spectrum. Mallard looks better by the day … at least you know where he is coming from.
“Larry Baldock: So how should the referendum question be answered?”
I don’t agree with your interpretations, and I don’t think there should need to be explanations given as to how one should vote. I can justify to myself voting yes, or no, depending on what interpretations I put on the referendum question. Should I answer yes and no?
I’m not entirely happy with the law as it is now, but I don’t want it to go back to how it was. Getting the balance of children’s rights, child protection, and parent’s rights clearly defined in law is very difficult. A referendum isn’t going to resolve that. I can’t vote “No, but I don’t want the law changed how Larry want’s it change”. I can’t vote “Yes but I accept that some parents will smack their kids in a way that doesn’t harm them although they would be better off learning better parenting skills, and I’m also concerned that some parents who usually smack unharmfully are at risk of lashing out when angry and causing real harm”.
A yes/no vote requires a simple clear yes/no question and we haven’t got that here.
I can understand why a significant number of people have a problem with the lack of clarity with the referendum question. Part of the difficulty with this is the dual purpose for the question, for a petition and then for a referendum. To encourage people to sign the question needs to immediately sound like it is something that deserves action, and it only needs to please the sort of people that will sign. But when it comes to the referendum it the question gets a lot more scrutiny, especially from those opposing it.
I do feel for the petition organisers. They believed in what they were doing and thought it was for the good of parents and that it wouldn’t harm kids. But they have been done by a CIR system that is flawed and may be useless in this case as it has been in the past.
I would just like to record on DPF’s blog – if he would be so kind – that I have complained to the US Embassy here in NZ about Lindsay Perigo. He has said that Obama is a Nazi and should be shot on the site SOLO. Such is ‘libertarianism’.
As such he is a security risk.
Plenty of people disagree with Obama’s policies but are not so morally bankrupt as to want him to be assassinated.
Ahem. Same people who funded both Bushes and Clinton, RB.
Chosen and groomed by them, as well.
See that Senator who’s just destroyed his political career via the Argentinian? He was being groomed as well. Shame he blew it by falling head over heals for his minder. Shame for him, that is. His masters don’t find that sort of thing acceptable, at all.
Ross Miller, you ain’t even in the right paddock and the National Socialists are definitely in charge even if it offends your delicate sensibilities. That you chose to make a comparison to some other odious group is your issue and not mine.
The fact remains that Goff instigated the sale of state houses and although he may have been a minister in Helens cabal she controlled everything that happened and even you must know that. My point was that here we had a Minister of a Govt. that promised great things and the reversal of Labour socialism and the best he can do is reinstate the previously recinded right wing policy of a previous labour Govt.
Even worse for them is that had they supported Bob Clarkson to remain and allowed him the housing portfolio than not only would that portfolio had a great shake up but so would have the issue of leaking homes which has conveniently now been forgotten by Govt. and by Minister Williamson who recently stated that he had no idea how bad it was. Of course he also has no idea about how to put the matter right for anyone.
The sharade in Parliament is light watching Shakespeare, pathetic and if the players wanted vaudeville then they should have gone there rather than into well paid positions with responsibility. They appear to treat taxpayers and citiscens of this country as a joke. Which really is quite disgusting.