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	<title>Comments on: Is Jeanette the first to go voluntarily?</title>
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		<title>By: OldNews</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/is_jeanette_the_first_to_go_voluntarily.html#comment-575000</link>
		<dc:creator>OldNews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[DPF: Pre 1999 MPs get the gold plated scheme]

According to the NZ HErald today it&#039;s those who were in the Parliamentary Scheme before 1992. This accords with my understanding because that scheme was based on a fixed percentage of final salary like the broader GSF scheme which was closed in the early 1990s.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10579179</description>
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<p>According to the NZ HErald today it&#8217;s those who were in the Parliamentary Scheme before 1992. This accords with my understanding because that scheme was based on a fixed percentage of final salary like the broader GSF scheme which was closed in the early 1990s.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&#038;objectid=10579179" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&#038;objectid=10579179</a></p>
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		<title>By: Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/is_jeanette_the_first_to_go_voluntarily.html#comment-571223</link>
		<dc:creator>Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prebble was not pushed. Rodney did not have the numbers. If he did Rodney would not have had to go through the &#039;primary&#039; that decided the leadership - Actually the caucus still wanted to vote against Rodney even after winning the members vote.

Prebble stepped down on his own terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prebble was not pushed. Rodney did not have the numbers. If he did Rodney would not have had to go through the &#8216;primary&#8217; that decided the leadership &#8211; Actually the caucus still wanted to vote against Rodney even after winning the members vote.</p>
<p>Prebble stepped down on his own terms.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/is_jeanette_the_first_to_go_voluntarily.html#comment-571123</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Countess of Cleavage

&lt;blockquote&gt;To make friends with those of a similar social standing&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think Zoning has a bigger ability to achieve this effect on more children that private schools ever could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Countess of Cleavage</p>
<blockquote><p>To make friends with those of a similar social standing</p></blockquote>
<p>I think Zoning has a bigger ability to achieve this effect on more children that private schools ever could.</p>
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		<title>By: georgedarroch</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgedarroch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mickysavage, MNIJ, DPF is correct. Helen Clark left voluntarily, under her own terms, but she left after a significant defeat at the polls. DPF defined the terms, (essentially as leaving during good times) and she fits into them easily.

My Name is Jack, you deserve the demerits for calling the National Party Nazis. I disagree with them, but I would never do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mickysavage, MNIJ, DPF is correct. Helen Clark left voluntarily, under her own terms, but she left after a significant defeat at the polls. DPF defined the terms, (essentially as leaving during good times) and she fits into them easily.</p>
<p>My Name is Jack, you deserve the demerits for calling the National Party Nazis. I disagree with them, but I would never do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Countess of Cleavage</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/is_jeanette_the_first_to_go_voluntarily.html#comment-571066</link>
		<dc:creator>Countess of Cleavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fees at private schools are set  high so as to exclude the hoi polloi. 
I like many parents,  check the lineage of the other parents, the teachers are only secondary.
 The best result for my children is to be surrounded by like minded others.  To make friends  with those of a similar social standing, unless they are future all blacks of course, when being oafish is an asset.
Of course there are scholarships  for the very bright but poor but they are a drop in the bucket</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fees at private schools are set  high so as to exclude the hoi polloi.<br />
I like many parents,  check the lineage of the other parents, the teachers are only secondary.<br />
 The best result for my children is to be surrounded by like minded others.  To make friends  with those of a similar social standing, unless they are future all blacks of course, when being oafish is an asset.<br />
Of course there are scholarships  for the very bright but poor but they are a drop in the bucket</p>
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		<title>By: Ratbiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ratbiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand private school students receive as much as 15x the state funding of state school students via one mechanism or another.

Who&#039;s subsidising who, again, Burt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand private school students receive as much as 15x the state funding of state school students via one mechanism or another.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s subsidising who, again, Burt?</p>
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		<title>By: berend</title>
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		<dc:creator>berend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPF, Richard Prebble wasn&#039;t pushed. That&#039;s a convenient rewrite of history, but you won&#039;t be able to give any facts to backup your case. Richard stepped down voluntarily and the party after that had an election who would be the new leader.

As a National party hack you of course want to make it appear that ACT rolls their leaders like National does, but there are parties with more morals, and it would havevbeen nice of you to recognised that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF, Richard Prebble wasn&#8217;t pushed. That&#8217;s a convenient rewrite of history, but you won&#8217;t be able to give any facts to backup your case. Richard stepped down voluntarily and the party after that had an election who would be the new leader.</p>
<p>As a National party hack you of course want to make it appear that ACT rolls their leaders like National does, but there are parties with more morals, and it would havevbeen nice of you to recognised that.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Countess of Cleavage

Is that envy talking or are you actually anti good educational outcomes? 

Look lets not mince words here - people who pay private school fees are also paying taxes supporting the state system they are not using. What part of &quot;fair&quot; do you not like in the tax system? 

If all the people who have kids in private schools sent their kids to their local (in zone) school what would happen? Would $40m cover the cost of the teachers and classrooms required to house the kids that could legally turn up at anytime (if they are in zone) and demand a seat in a classroom ?

Think it through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Countess of Cleavage</p>
<p>Is that envy talking or are you actually anti good educational outcomes? </p>
<p>Look lets not mince words here &#8211; people who pay private school fees are also paying taxes supporting the state system they are not using. What part of &#8220;fair&#8221; do you not like in the tax system? </p>
<p>If all the people who have kids in private schools sent their kids to their local (in zone) school what would happen? Would $40m cover the cost of the teachers and classrooms required to house the kids that could legally turn up at anytime (if they are in zone) and demand a seat in a classroom ?</p>
<p>Think it through.</p>
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		<title>By: Countess of Cleavage</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/is_jeanette_the_first_to_go_voluntarily.html#comment-571035</link>
		<dc:creator>Countess of Cleavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are totally right Burt.  Even if its they say its the  worst economic times in 70 years   ( hardly, St Lukes is still full  and I cant get a park for love nor money at St Heliers outside Moretons) there must be  State money  for our  future leaders  to maintain the private enterprise system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are totally right Burt.  Even if its they say its the  worst economic times in 70 years   ( hardly, St Lukes is still full  and I cant get a park for love nor money at St Heliers outside Moretons) there must be  State money  for our  future leaders  to maintain the private enterprise system.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon J Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon J Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Helen went voluntarily. If she wanted to hang on and try again most of the party would have been behind her. There was no pressure for her or Cullen to go.&quot;

There may be a point there; the caucus would have been badly wanting in courage to challenge her grip on the leadership.

&quot; The way things are going she would have (as far as I am aware) been in the unique position of having lost an election after an extended term of PM but then having won the next.&quot;

But there&#039;s the catch: the voters; they were/are completely through with the Clark years and would simply not countenance any sort of repeat performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Helen went voluntarily. If she wanted to hang on and try again most of the party would have been behind her. There was no pressure for her or Cullen to go.&#8221;</p>
<p>There may be a point there; the caucus would have been badly wanting in courage to challenge her grip on the leadership.</p>
<p>&#8221; The way things are going she would have (as far as I am aware) been in the unique position of having lost an election after an extended term of PM but then having won the next.&#8221;</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s the catch: the voters; they were/are completely through with the Clark years and would simply not countenance any sort of repeat performance.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/is_jeanette_the_first_to_go_voluntarily.html#comment-571019</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooops - make that;

if tax payers who have kids in &lt;strike&gt;state&lt;/strike&gt;&lt;b&gt; private&lt;/b&gt; schools could opt out of funding the state system...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooops &#8211; make that;</p>
<p>if tax payers who have kids in <strike>state</strike><b> private</b> schools could opt out of funding the state system&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/is_jeanette_the_first_to_go_voluntarily.html#comment-571013</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Countess of Cleavage 

You are right, bloody private schools achieving better academic outcomes should be shut down - they show up the monopoly state schools as being inefficient...  we can&#039;t have it - must have one size fits all - the purity of the socialist model is more important than the educational outcomes...

Bugger off - parents paying for private school are funding capacity in the state system they are not using - if tax payers who have kids in state schools could opt out of funding the state system then I would agree there should be zero govt funding for private schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Countess of Cleavage </p>
<p>You are right, bloody private schools achieving better academic outcomes should be shut down &#8211; they show up the monopoly state schools as being inefficient&#8230;  we can&#8217;t have it &#8211; must have one size fits all &#8211; the purity of the socialist model is more important than the educational outcomes&#8230;</p>
<p>Bugger off &#8211; parents paying for private school are funding capacity in the state system they are not using &#8211; if tax payers who have kids in state schools could opt out of funding the state system then I would agree there should be zero govt funding for private schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Countess of Cleavage</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/is_jeanette_the_first_to_go_voluntarily.html#comment-571005</link>
		<dc:creator>Countess of Cleavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UN got a pittance from Helen

Nothing like the $40 million Johnny &amp; Billy  lavished on our top private schools. 

I was going to have to cancel the cut flowers and starched sheets if the boarding  school fees went up ..again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UN got a pittance from Helen</p>
<p>Nothing like the $40 million Johnny &amp; Billy  lavished on our top private schools. </p>
<p>I was going to have to cancel the cut flowers and starched sheets if the boarding  school fees went up ..again.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Diack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Diack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Its good point you make, for some reason leaders hang way longer than they need to, damaging their party and their own legacy. John Howard and Tony Blair are the best examples of this.&quot;

Perhaps Tony Blair should have hung on longer -  Gordon Browne doesn&#039;t seem up to the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Its good point you make, for some reason leaders hang way longer than they need to, damaging their party and their own legacy. John Howard and Tony Blair are the best examples of this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps Tony Blair should have hung on longer &#8211;  Gordon Browne doesn&#8217;t seem up to the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/is_jeanette_the_first_to_go_voluntarily.html#comment-570996</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was an escape plan Burt. 

The vampire may have gotten away from the castle but the torch and pitchfork mob at the gates questions that it was entirely voluntary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was an escape plan Burt. </p>
<p>The vampire may have gotten away from the castle but the torch and pitchfork mob at the gates questions that it was entirely voluntary.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mickysavage

You can&#039;t have it both ways - the increased donations were corrupt if she was planning to leave and left voluntarily, they were just part of NZ being a good global citizen if Helen was staying - which way do you want it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mickysavage</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t have it both ways &#8211; the increased donations were corrupt if she was planning to leave and left voluntarily, they were just part of NZ being a good global citizen if Helen was staying &#8211; which way do you want it ?</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPF

Given the amount of money that was suddenly donated to the UN in the years preceeding dear leaders departure it is possible that we should class her departure as voluntary. Why else did she feather the nest of her external interests so blatantly if she was not planning to leave when she did?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF</p>
<p>Given the amount of money that was suddenly donated to the UN in the years preceeding dear leaders departure it is possible that we should class her departure as voluntary. Why else did she feather the nest of her external interests so blatantly if she was not planning to leave when she did?</p>
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		<title>By: Countess of Cleavage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Countess of Cleavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasnt Prebble facing some marital  type problems, even after Doreen went... no it wasnt me..that helped him decide his time was up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasnt Prebble facing some marital  type problems, even after Doreen went&#8230; no it wasnt me..that helped him decide his time was up.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/is_jeanette_the_first_to_go_voluntarily.html#comment-570965</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I heard was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I heard was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!</p>
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		<title>By: Ratbiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ratbiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And since we&#039;re talking about 20th century history, YES communism is an economic theory but I would have thought Joe Stalin&#039;s 20 million odd body bags could just as inexorably be tied to all of the cries of &quot;socialist&quot;, &quot;commie scum&quot; yada yada as Adolph H&#039;s legacy is to the equally ridiculous equation of Key&#039;s National to National Socialism.

But MyNameIsjack - this is a right blog. What do you expect? The left is always going to be &quot;badder&quot;, this game wouldn&#039;t be much fun otherwise!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And since we&#8217;re talking about 20th century history, YES communism is an economic theory but I would have thought Joe Stalin&#8217;s 20 million odd body bags could just as inexorably be tied to all of the cries of &#8220;socialist&#8221;, &#8220;commie scum&#8221; yada yada as Adolph H&#8217;s legacy is to the equally ridiculous equation of Key&#8217;s National to National Socialism.</p>
<p>But MyNameIsjack &#8211; this is a right blog. What do you expect? The left is always going to be &#8220;badder&#8221;, this game wouldn&#8217;t be much fun otherwise!</p>
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