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	<title>Comments on: National&#8217;s Northern Regional Conference</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/nationals_northern_regional_conference.html#comment-571042</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trout, I think you will find that current Councils are being held to ransom by relatively new and completely ridiculous requirements on water treatment and disposal  from central Government bureaucracies that are inappropriate and untenable for small rural settlements.

Unless Wayne Brown can roll the Wellington bureaucrats with the support of the new Government there will be little even he can do about it.  The Russell debacle occurred long before these new requirements were foistered on us by the previous unlamented Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trout, I think you will find that current Councils are being held to ransom by relatively new and completely ridiculous requirements on water treatment and disposal  from central Government bureaucracies that are inappropriate and untenable for small rural settlements.</p>
<p>Unless Wayne Brown can roll the Wellington bureaucrats with the support of the new Government there will be little even he can do about it.  The Russell debacle occurred long before these new requirements were foistered on us by the previous unlamented Government.</p>
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		<title>By: trout</title>
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		<dc:creator>trout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately you are not correct.  The Thames District Council (a small local authority) is $20,000,000 in the hole after spending megabucks on building 3 sewerage schemes to Rolls Royce standard that serve very few people.  And they still want to borrow more and spend on projects of doubtful value.    There seems to be a disconnection between the right to tax and accountability for expenditure.    Elected councillors in small Councils seem to be easily manipulated by small pressure groups and easily influenced by their own bureacracy.    They just find it so easy to be congratulated in the local bar for providing some local facility (like a boat ramp) than reject the proposition as being unaffordable and be a kiljoy (and lose the vote of a minority group).    At least the Far North Council now has Wayne Brown looking over their collective shoulders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately you are not correct.  The Thames District Council (a small local authority) is $20,000,000 in the hole after spending megabucks on building 3 sewerage schemes to Rolls Royce standard that serve very few people.  And they still want to borrow more and spend on projects of doubtful value.    There seems to be a disconnection between the right to tax and accountability for expenditure.    Elected councillors in small Councils seem to be easily manipulated by small pressure groups and easily influenced by their own bureacracy.    They just find it so easy to be congratulated in the local bar for providing some local facility (like a boat ramp) than reject the proposition as being unaffordable and be a kiljoy (and lose the vote of a minority group).    At least the Far North Council now has Wayne Brown looking over their collective shoulders.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trout, there are very few things that need to be regionally co-ordinated and would be even less if we allowed private enterprise to compete with less interference from planners, bureaucrats and the law.

Prior to the 1989 local government reorganization the NZ Treasury did a literature survey and concluded there is no evidence that size of local authorities has any correlation with financial efficiency.  They opposed the reorganization.  Its actual outcome was increased debt, greatly increased rates relative to inflation over the next decade as well as a large immediate transition cost financed by altering the financial year so as to bring forward rate payments by three months.

There was also a large decline in voter participation in local government elections.

The financial impact of large authorities is simply that they are able to deploy (and waste) large sums of money on undeserving &quot;needs&quot;.  A typical example is right here in Russell where the Far North District Council after 1989 managed to waste somewhere between $14-20M (the exact amount is indeterminable because of grossly incompetent financial management and reporting) on a sewage scheme to service some 600 properties.

A small local authority would simply be unable to raise such a sum of money in order to waste it on anything so comprehensively stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trout, there are very few things that need to be regionally co-ordinated and would be even less if we allowed private enterprise to compete with less interference from planners, bureaucrats and the law.</p>
<p>Prior to the 1989 local government reorganization the NZ Treasury did a literature survey and concluded there is no evidence that size of local authorities has any correlation with financial efficiency.  They opposed the reorganization.  Its actual outcome was increased debt, greatly increased rates relative to inflation over the next decade as well as a large immediate transition cost financed by altering the financial year so as to bring forward rate payments by three months.</p>
<p>There was also a large decline in voter participation in local government elections.</p>
<p>The financial impact of large authorities is simply that they are able to deploy (and waste) large sums of money on undeserving &#8220;needs&#8221;.  A typical example is right here in Russell where the Far North District Council after 1989 managed to waste somewhere between $14-20M (the exact amount is indeterminable because of grossly incompetent financial management and reporting) on a sewage scheme to service some 600 properties.</p>
<p>A small local authority would simply be unable to raise such a sum of money in order to waste it on anything so comprehensively stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: trout</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/nationals_northern_regional_conference.html#comment-570952</link>
		<dc:creator>trout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with you Alan; but if we are to be lumbered with Local Government lets rationalize their functions and limit their powers so they get the few things right that we will allow them to do. In that way we may avoid the obscenities you refer to.  &#039;Comprehensive Planning&#039; in the sense I used the term refers only to properly designed and co-ordinated infrastructure and services, not social engineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with you Alan; but if we are to be lumbered with Local Government lets rationalize their functions and limit their powers so they get the few things right that we will allow them to do. In that way we may avoid the obscenities you refer to.  &#8216;Comprehensive Planning&#8217; in the sense I used the term refers only to properly designed and co-ordinated infrastructure and services, not social engineering.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jarbury.
Not quite.
Newmarket was a minnow compared to other cities emerging in Manukau etc and so on so I would expect a more even distribution of size etc.
But otherwise yes. The fact it that amalgamation is the least effective means of reforming of local government. It never delivers its promises and imposes massive costs.
However, there is a case for stronger regional government and that is best affected by a clear understanding of their different functions and a minimum of overlap.
The problem we need to solve in Auckland is that the ARC has been given so much power to interfere in the legitimate territory of local councils and the result is endless court battles in which the rate payers pay for both parties. 
When the Environment Court awarded $700,000 costs against the Canterbury Regional Council for its action against Christchurch city the regional council simply levied the ratepayers of Christchurch to pay for it.
I really fear for the legal power of a Super City with budgets and assets of billions. How can a citizen hope to win in court when the COuncil can just keep spending and spending and spending until you run out of funds and time and energy. At present when I threaten to appeal to the EC my small council almost always negotiates immediately. 
CAn you imagine a Super City doing this when I am simply wanting to build a flat for my sick granny or similar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jarbury.<br />
Not quite.<br />
Newmarket was a minnow compared to other cities emerging in Manukau etc and so on so I would expect a more even distribution of size etc.<br />
But otherwise yes. The fact it that amalgamation is the least effective means of reforming of local government. It never delivers its promises and imposes massive costs.<br />
However, there is a case for stronger regional government and that is best affected by a clear understanding of their different functions and a minimum of overlap.<br />
The problem we need to solve in Auckland is that the ARC has been given so much power to interfere in the legitimate territory of local councils and the result is endless court battles in which the rate payers pay for both parties.<br />
When the Environment Court awarded $700,000 costs against the Canterbury Regional Council for its action against Christchurch city the regional council simply levied the ratepayers of Christchurch to pay for it.<br />
I really fear for the legal power of a Super City with budgets and assets of billions. How can a citizen hope to win in court when the COuncil can just keep spending and spending and spending until you run out of funds and time and energy. At present when I threaten to appeal to the EC my small council almost always negotiates immediately.<br />
CAn you imagine a Super City doing this when I am simply wanting to build a flat for my sick granny or similar?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But this does not negate the need for an Auckland Supercity, and the need for more comprehensive planning.&quot;

Show me anything produced by &quot;more comprehensive planning&quot; and ticked off by government bureaucracies that is beautiful, lifts the human spirit and will be preserved and treasured for generations.

And if you find something, I will find you a thousand counter examples of crass, ugly, disfunctional and overbearing insults to the human psyche that are stamped out without having to think of anything other than butt protection and rule following by people who do not understand subtlety, art or individuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But this does not negate the need for an Auckland Supercity, and the need for more comprehensive planning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Show me anything produced by &#8220;more comprehensive planning&#8221; and ticked off by government bureaucracies that is beautiful, lifts the human spirit and will be preserved and treasured for generations.</p>
<p>And if you find something, I will find you a thousand counter examples of crass, ugly, disfunctional and overbearing insults to the human psyche that are stamped out without having to think of anything other than butt protection and rule following by people who do not understand subtlety, art or individuality.</p>
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		<title>By: trout</title>
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		<dc:creator>trout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owen, your comment on how people view their locational identity in this world is valid.  Communications and easy transport have certainly &#039;shrunk&#039; the globe conceptually.   I can live in Auckland but be a citizen of Queenstown if I feel like it.  But this does not negate the need for an Auckland Supercity, and the need for more comprehensive planning.   And you are already requesting limitations on the role of sub-Councils - take away any more powers and they become Boards.  The real issue is; what should Councils be responsible for?   Over the last 30 years Councils have been granted freedom to get involved in activities that are far beyond their level of competence and what residents expect.  Enormous debts are being racked up that are going to burden ratepayers for years.  I guess it is the new age problem; more and more people getting off on spending other peoples money.  Rates are not a payment for specified services; they are a land tax and should be so called; raked in to fund the necessary and the &#039;worthy&#039; (but not necessarily worthwhile).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owen, your comment on how people view their locational identity in this world is valid.  Communications and easy transport have certainly &#8216;shrunk&#8217; the globe conceptually.   I can live in Auckland but be a citizen of Queenstown if I feel like it.  But this does not negate the need for an Auckland Supercity, and the need for more comprehensive planning.   And you are already requesting limitations on the role of sub-Councils &#8211; take away any more powers and they become Boards.  The real issue is; what should Councils be responsible for?   Over the last 30 years Councils have been granted freedom to get involved in activities that are far beyond their level of competence and what residents expect.  Enormous debts are being racked up that are going to burden ratepayers for years.  I guess it is the new age problem; more and more people getting off on spending other peoples money.  Rates are not a payment for specified services; they are a land tax and should be so called; raked in to fund the necessary and the &#8216;worthy&#8217; (but not necessarily worthwhile).</p>
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		<title>By: jarbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>jarbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically a return to the pre-1989 reforms Owen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically a return to the pre-1989 reforms Owen?</p>
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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/nationals_northern_regional_conference.html#comment-570866</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarbury, I would not like to suggest specific word changes because I am not a law draftsman.

I would just recommend that the legal functional, and financial framework for the Boards should be the same as for existing councils.
BUT and this is an important BUT, the LGA should be reformed so that Councils are not given so much room to spend on nonsense and not believe they are master planners and rulers of the universe.
And we must drip financial contributions and MULs and mover to deregulate land use and to move to long term financing of infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarbury, I would not like to suggest specific word changes because I am not a law draftsman.</p>
<p>I would just recommend that the legal functional, and financial framework for the Boards should be the same as for existing councils.<br />
BUT and this is an important BUT, the LGA should be reformed so that Councils are not given so much room to spend on nonsense and not believe they are master planners and rulers of the universe.<br />
And we must drip financial contributions and MULs and mover to deregulate land use and to move to long term financing of infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/nationals_northern_regional_conference.html#comment-570865</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth the Commissions report was much worse than what is now being proposed.

I am not normally a nervous nellie but we need to understand that while there have been a few Super Cities formed by forced amalgamation over the last decade (mostly in Canada) there were not total amalgamations as has been posed for Auckland.
So the Auckland Super City is a unique first in the world experiment and I do wonder if this is a good time to indulge in such massive social engineering. The pattern of regional councils or counties or metros which deal with region wide issues while very local councils (in large cities these can number in the hundreds) deal with local issues has been developed over hundreds or even thousands of years.

IT seems risky to be going towards a massive centralised structure  at a time of recession and at a time when decentralisation is winning over centralisation in virtually every other field of human activity. When I wrote my essays on Tribal Marketing I was arguing that during a time of globalisation at one level we are seeing people becoming more &quot;tribal&quot; at another - in other words people are becoming more not less anchored to their own neighbourhood. In my presentation to Quest in Florida I pointed out that I used to be a vaguely British New Zealander - now I am more conscious of being of Celtic descent and living in a tiny village on the West Coast.
Similarly,  a researcher from New York said that she was no longer a New Yorker – she identified much more with Greenwich Village than with New York, but she was of course a citizen of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth the Commissions report was much worse than what is now being proposed.</p>
<p>I am not normally a nervous nellie but we need to understand that while there have been a few Super Cities formed by forced amalgamation over the last decade (mostly in Canada) there were not total amalgamations as has been posed for Auckland.<br />
So the Auckland Super City is a unique first in the world experiment and I do wonder if this is a good time to indulge in such massive social engineering. The pattern of regional councils or counties or metros which deal with region wide issues while very local councils (in large cities these can number in the hundreds) deal with local issues has been developed over hundreds or even thousands of years.</p>
<p>IT seems risky to be going towards a massive centralised structure  at a time of recession and at a time when decentralisation is winning over centralisation in virtually every other field of human activity. When I wrote my essays on Tribal Marketing I was arguing that during a time of globalisation at one level we are seeing people becoming more &#8220;tribal&#8221; at another &#8211; in other words people are becoming more not less anchored to their own neighbourhood. In my presentation to Quest in Florida I pointed out that I used to be a vaguely British New Zealander &#8211; now I am more conscious of being of Celtic descent and living in a tiny village on the West Coast.<br />
Similarly,  a researcher from New York said that she was no longer a New Yorker – she identified much more with Greenwich Village than with New York, but she was of course a citizen of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: DMS</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/nationals_northern_regional_conference.html#comment-570861</link>
		<dc:creator>DMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am fascinated that in a blog that celebrates National&#039;s large number of MPs in the Auckland area that there is little evidence of worry by those MPs as to the way the Supercity implementation is going. Rodney&#039;s arrogance and his ignoring of the Commission&#039;s more balanced concept will mean major problems in quite a few Auckland electorates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am fascinated that in a blog that celebrates National&#8217;s large number of MPs in the Auckland area that there is little evidence of worry by those MPs as to the way the Supercity implementation is going. Rodney&#8217;s arrogance and his ignoring of the Commission&#8217;s more balanced concept will mean major problems in quite a few Auckland electorates.</p>
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		<title>By: SeaJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeaJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Banks should not be The Grand Vizier of Orcland, 
Johnkey should work a wee bit harder as our Minister of Tourism&#039;
I gotta get outa here and wash wash wash
my friends have noticed this rank stale cigarette smell whenever I&#039;ve been busted 
keyboardabating over here at kiwislobs
ban me for my own sake please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Banks should not be The Grand Vizier of Orcland,<br />
Johnkey should work a wee bit harder as our Minister of Tourism&#8217;<br />
I gotta get outa here and wash wash wash<br />
my friends have noticed this rank stale cigarette smell whenever I&#8217;ve been busted<br />
keyboardabating over here at kiwislobs<br />
ban me for my own sake please</p>
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		<title>By: lilman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/nationals_northern_regional_conference.html#comment-570856</link>
		<dc:creator>lilman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIGHT= time for some truths people.
War on drugs ,ie,war on P get real.
If you want to play by the rules this WILL fail, nothing will be achieved.
The only way is to throw out the rule book and do what has to be done,and I shall repeat for those who dont know.

1.Any person found guilty of manufacture of the drug,any person found guilty of selling the drug should be executed imediately after sentence.
2All persons found guilty of providing the ingredients for the drug should be executed.
3.All assets should be sold ,profits going to the state for drug enforcement.

Any thing less than this will not work.
Me personally I would love to see all A -class drug users and providers with this treatment.
Short ,sharp and effective.
You push this poison into our kids for money then you derserve all you get.

So you got the stomarch for it, or are you all full of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIGHT= time for some truths people.<br />
War on drugs ,ie,war on P get real.<br />
If you want to play by the rules this WILL fail, nothing will be achieved.<br />
The only way is to throw out the rule book and do what has to be done,and I shall repeat for those who dont know.</p>
<p>1.Any person found guilty of manufacture of the drug,any person found guilty of selling the drug should be executed imediately after sentence.<br />
2All persons found guilty of providing the ingredients for the drug should be executed.<br />
3.All assets should be sold ,profits going to the state for drug enforcement.</p>
<p>Any thing less than this will not work.<br />
Me personally I would love to see all A -class drug users and providers with this treatment.<br />
Short ,sharp and effective.<br />
You push this poison into our kids for money then you derserve all you get.</p>
<p>So you got the stomarch for it, or are you all full of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: noskire</title>
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		<dc:creator>noskire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;#  Patrick Starr (2506) Vote: Add rating 19  Subtract rating 1   Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

“Was second prize lunch AND dinner with Bill English?’

still beats a breakfast with Richard Worth&quot;

And better still than breakfast IN bed with Richard Worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;#  Patrick Starr (2506) Vote: Add rating 19  Subtract rating 1   Says:<br />
June 7th, 2009 at 1:41 pm</p>
<p>“Was second prize lunch AND dinner with Bill English?’</p>
<p>still beats a breakfast with Richard Worth&#8221;</p>
<p>And better still than breakfast IN bed with Richard Worth.</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Alan W, you are dragging up last year’s arguments.&quot;

Nice to know we will not be hearing any more from you about Phillip Field or Winston Peters!

Not the sharpest knife in the box our Adolf, good for a laugh of course, but thats about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Alan W, you are dragging up last year’s arguments.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice to know we will not be hearing any more from you about Phillip Field or Winston Peters!</p>
<p>Not the sharpest knife in the box our Adolf, good for a laugh of course, but thats about it!</p>
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		<title>By: bchapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>bchapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adolf,
          I agree,  you can take what you like out a poll and it depends upon how you ask the questions. But I don&#039;t think anyone living in those parts of Auckland outside Auckland City would agree this has been a PR winner for the govt.
As an Aucklander I don&#039;t really care about how outsiders are viewing this but  I am sure the govt will care. 
coolas- I&#039;m sure Banks will settle for a guaranteed of a  weekly photo in the Rachel&#039;s Sunday Herald &quot;Spy&#039; section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adolf,<br />
          I agree,  you can take what you like out a poll and it depends upon how you ask the questions. But I don&#8217;t think anyone living in those parts of Auckland outside Auckland City would agree this has been a PR winner for the govt.<br />
As an Aucklander I don&#8217;t really care about how outsiders are viewing this but  I am sure the govt will care.<br />
coolas- I&#8217;m sure Banks will settle for a guaranteed of a  weekly photo in the Rachel&#8217;s Sunday Herald &#8220;Spy&#8217; section.</p>
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		<title>By: coolas</title>
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		<dc:creator>coolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds as if Key &amp; Hide are making up SupaCity as they go along. 
Got excited for a second reading that Bards would be bulk funded. Poets running the SupaCity - Yes -

Bending the mold to fit public opinion.  Bulk funded boards - yawn - been done &amp; failed.
They should stick to the model - one authority i/c all infrastructure
As many local Councils as now - more maybe - i/c recreaton/arts/culture bla bla - Paris has over 1000, Tokyo 250.  Banks as Mayor? Better to give him a knighthood on the terms he doesn&#039;t stand. That could shore up his neediness for recognition.  

Key on drugs is a cringe. Destroy the gangs. How dumb can he be unless of course like Taksin Shinawat in Thailand he has some of his mates ready to take over the trade, &#039;cos while there big money to be made someone will fill any vacancy made by gang busting. Legalisation, loke alcohol &amp; tobacco is the only way to free drugs from criminality. 

But great to hear Bill &amp; John can share a joke - if the couldn&#039;t they&#039;d be missing a big one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds as if Key &amp; Hide are making up SupaCity as they go along.<br />
Got excited for a second reading that Bards would be bulk funded. Poets running the SupaCity &#8211; Yes -</p>
<p>Bending the mold to fit public opinion.  Bulk funded boards &#8211; yawn &#8211; been done &amp; failed.<br />
They should stick to the model &#8211; one authority i/c all infrastructure<br />
As many local Councils as now &#8211; more maybe &#8211; i/c recreaton/arts/culture bla bla &#8211; Paris has over 1000, Tokyo 250.  Banks as Mayor? Better to give him a knighthood on the terms he doesn&#8217;t stand. That could shore up his neediness for recognition.  </p>
<p>Key on drugs is a cringe. Destroy the gangs. How dumb can he be unless of course like Taksin Shinawat in Thailand he has some of his mates ready to take over the trade, &#8216;cos while there big money to be made someone will fill any vacancy made by gang busting. Legalisation, loke alcohol &amp; tobacco is the only way to free drugs from criminality. </p>
<p>But great to hear Bill &amp; John can share a joke &#8211; if the couldn&#8217;t they&#8217;d be missing a big one!</p>
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		<title>By: Adolf Fiinkensein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adolf Fiinkensein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bchapman, was that the poll conducted by Labour&#039;s gang of sustainable stooges, by any chance?  The one that asked a zillion people outside Auckland what they thought about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bchapman, was that the poll conducted by Labour&#8217;s gang of sustainable stooges, by any chance?  The one that asked a zillion people outside Auckland what they thought about it?</p>
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		<title>By: bchapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>bchapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having community boards as constituted in section 13 of the Local Government (Auckland) means that we would better off not having them at all. Having an officially elected local lobby group is bound to cause problems. Of course this pre empting the Select Committee but it sounds like the feedback the PM is getting about this section is already one way. last weeks Super City poll showed that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having community boards as constituted in section 13 of the Local Government (Auckland) means that we would better off not having them at all. Having an officially elected local lobby group is bound to cause problems. Of course this pre empting the Select Committee but it sounds like the feedback the PM is getting about this section is already one way. last weeks Super City poll showed that.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, trout, a commercial business merger has straightforward financial goals and if they are not met there will be blood on the floor.  (And very, very often they are not met, with disastrous even fatal results for the business.)

But government reorganisations have no such clear goals or consequences for failure.  They are interminable, distractions from real performance goals and vastly costly.  Often the main result is a loss of the most competent staff who leave in disgust.

Yes, incompetent staff will also feel threatened but sadly many will wind up in major positions in the reorganised structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, trout, a commercial business merger has straightforward financial goals and if they are not met there will be blood on the floor.  (And very, very often they are not met, with disastrous even fatal results for the business.)</p>
<p>But government reorganisations have no such clear goals or consequences for failure.  They are interminable, distractions from real performance goals and vastly costly.  Often the main result is a loss of the most competent staff who leave in disgust.</p>
<p>Yes, incompetent staff will also feel threatened but sadly many will wind up in major positions in the reorganised structure.</p>
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