Whale and Goff

June 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am by David Farrar

on last night talking about the scandal.

Whale reports that not only refused to go on with Whale – he also insisted that Whale be filmed earlier so they don’t share the Green Room, and then finally said he would not appear at all, if Whale was on the same show.

I find that quite ironic as on Check Point last night, Phil actually quoted “right wing bloggers” in our criticism of the initial press statement.

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40 Responses to “Whale and Goff”

  1. ovation (239 comments) says:

    “Well I think thats code in politician speak for ‘this is really serious’ ”

    hrrrmmm, someone was nervous and not quite so verbose on the camera

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  2. trout (902 comments) says:

    A plus for TV1 that they did not give in to overt intimidation by dropping Slater in favour of Goff. Slater aquitted himself very well. Goff was foolish not to appear and show his mettle – he and Slater would have agreed on a number of aspects of the matter. As time goes on Goff is taking on the persona of a preacher – he holds the moral high ground and is above mixing it with the great unwashed (which after all includes bloggers).

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  3. Psycho Milt (2,267 comments) says:

    Goff was foolish not to appear…

    Yeah, John Key just wouldn’t have hesitated for a second to be seen on prime-time TV squabbling with foul-mouthed lefty bloggers when he was Leader of the Opposition – it would have made him look so much more like a Prime Minister in waiting. Seriously – do you people listen to yourselves?

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  4. Bok (740 comments) says:

    Hey PM
    I agree, I counted maybe 400 foul words coming out of cam’s mouth on tele last night.
    Phew! And what would you call Trotter? And Russel Brown?
    Dont make shit up.

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  5. virtualmark (1,474 comments) says:

    Interesting though that TVNZ chose to go with Cameron Slater on the show rather than Phil(in) Goff.

    Partly I expect that’s to push back with a message along the lines of “you don’t tell us who we put on our show”. But then I can’t imagine they’d have taken that same line with Helen Clark.

    Partly too it just might be that they figure Phil Goff is terminally boring.

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  6. starboard (2,475 comments) says:

    ” Goff was foolish not to appear and show his mettle ”

    ..the mans an inept soft cock…bland bland bland..no substance…a buffoon…

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  7. Scott (1,707 comments) says:

    I thought whale oil came across very well and I can’t remember him being foulmouthed? Very good to see more conservative commentators being given a chance on TV. Long may it continue!

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  8. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Says a lot for Labour that their leader was afraid to take on a blogger, particularly given his “ervous and not quite so verbose on the camera” according to ovation.

    Our elected politicians answer to all of us and should be prepared to engage ANY of us as a matter of right. This was inept plitical bullying by Goff trying to be another Clark. If Slater lacks the credibility needed as Goof seems to think then it should have been of no great moment to take him apart on comera then should it.

    Weak and feeble Mr Goff.

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  9. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    I took “foulmouthed” to be an allusion to his blog.

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  10. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    I’m very pleased about this, old Cameron has beavered away in the shadows for too long, now he is coming out into the open what a great opportunity for the whole country to find out more about him.

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  11. Sam (497 comments) says:

    It would not be fitting for a leader of the Opposition to debate against a right wing blogger – especially one with the track record of Slater (ever since his doctored HC photos that guy has done nothing but repulse me – how can he possibly be taken seriously?). Slater actually contributed very little of worth anyway, as no doubt Goff would have as well. The whole segment was a bit of a make-shit-up-in-the-absence-of-any-real-details piece anyway.

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  12. Sam (497 comments) says:

    Actually, given Goff’s knowledge of the prior accusation, he could have had considerably more of substance to say, but most of us would have dozed off and missed it anyway…

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  13. insider (1,000 comments) says:

    I’m with Goff and his advisers on this. No offense to Slater but he is from Goff’s pov a political nobody at best and a party hack at worst. It’s slightly offensive and frankly naive by Close Up’s producers to try and put them on the same platform. What exactly were Slater’s qualification or expertise to merit such a platform? I would expect GOff to take the same line if asked to appear alongside DPF, who has far more runs on the board in this area.

    I wouldn’t expect any senior National MP/Minister to front up alongside Idiot/Savant or Steve Pierson on an issue about Parliament.

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  14. Psycho Milt (2,267 comments) says:

    I took “foulmouthed” to be an allusion to his blog.

    Correctly. As no doubt even a right-wing Kiwiblog reader is capable of figuring out, Cameron Slater’s performance in the interview was not something Goff would really be able to take into account before the interview.

    NB: as a foul-mouthed lefty blogger myself, I have no problem whatsoever with Whaleoil being a foul-mouthed right-wing blogger – no reproach intended by the use of the term.

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  15. Jeff83 (771 comments) says:

    To be fair the line up just seemed obserd, putting the leader of the opposition against a right wing blogger, the equivilant of the Standard. Personally I imagine he was a little insulted, and pretty much fair enough in my opinion, he has done the right thing here, told what he knew in confidence to Key and then even after a month passed not used it as a political football, then gets rewarded by being put up in a debate that he couldnt win because if he did it would mean nothing, as it was with a blogger.

    I doubt they would do the same with Key, definitely not with Clark, so the whole match up was just odd.

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  16. big bruv (13,311 comments) says:

    Can you imagine what would have happened had dear corrupt ex leader still been in power?

    One word from her and Cam would have been punted right off the show.

    It is about time that TVNZ stood up to the Labour party.

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  17. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    By convention an opposition leader will only debate the PM, senior cabinet Ministers and other party leaders which mkes you wonder what kind of clueless half-wit is producing Close Up these days.

    Dim Post

    Ha!

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  18. Chris G (106 comments) says:

    Of course he wouldnt show for this Worthless item.

    Why would he bother talking to a national party hack/douche also?

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  19. enough rope (107 comments) says:

    ” Goff was foolish not to appear and show his mettle ”

    ..the mans an inept soft cock…bland bland bland..no substance…a buffoon…

    So Slater may not have been foul-mouthed – actually, all he did was rather timidly state the bleeding obvious – but he did have a boner. Wonder why? Cos he’s not a soft cock? The thrill of being on TV? Proximity to the Walrus? Pity they didn’t get a better camera angle.

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  20. Kimble (4,381 comments) says:

    The truth is Goff didnt need to go on the show.

    Under the previous Labour government the lefty equivalent of Whale Oil would have been on there muddying the waters and justifying Helen Clarks softly softly approach with the naughty minister.

    They would have been saying that it is right that nothing be done right away because the matter is with the police.

    They would accuse National of muck-raking had Key said exactly the same thing as Goff has.

    They would be alluding to a right wing conspiracy, pointing to the damning fact that the person making the complaint is a National supporter.

    National would HAVE to have sent somebody, just to defend themselves against Labours attacks and remind everyone that the real issue here is the ministers naughtiness.

    With Whale Oil there, not doing any of the things above, and actually demanding more swift justice, Goff didnt NEED to show up.

    Its so funny that the worst thing anyone is able to say aboutKeys behaviour in this issue, is that it took less than a WEEK for him to do something publicly about it. During which the nation had a budget and a holiday.

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  21. Kimble (4,381 comments) says:

    The question remains, why did Goff say anything at all?

    Was he putting the boot in? Was Goof trying to make it look as if Key had a smoking gun ages ago and didnt do anything about it? If so then that has back-fired, because if it was serious enough for Key to have done something wrong by not taking things further than he did, then it is also important enough for Goff to have done something more than pass the buck.

    Edit: I noticed I mistyped Goffs name in the second paragraph, but upon reflection have decided to leave it as it is.

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  22. garethw (205 comments) says:

    I look forward to John Key showing up to join Sonic on the panel on Q&A next week then… :>

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  23. Kimble (4,381 comments) says:

    garethw, your analogy would only be correct if sonic was capable of being critical of any non-right politician.

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  24. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    jeff83>To be fair the line up just seemed obserd, putting the leader of the opposition against a right wing blogger, the equivilant of the Standard. Personally I imagine he was a little insulted

    It is testament to Goff’s profile and reputation at the moment that TV current affairs believe that he ranks alongside bloggers. Maybe if he’d fronted up and handled himself well he could have improved that reputation. But, by turning down the opportunity he’ll continue to slide. Next time it might be a blogger refusing to appear alongside Goff. Because why would you want to associate yourself with someone who tries to spread FUD about superannuation and about Key dealing to Worth about two orders of magnitude faster than Clark dealt to Field, Peters, and Benson Pope, rather than engage in serious political debate.

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  25. trout (902 comments) says:

    By not making an appearance last night Goff has now found himself on the back foot. Today he is trotting out more and more details on the complaint made of Richard Worth by a labour party activist, conveyed to Goff and by him to the Prime minister a month ago. He has copies of E-mails he says – so? Be sure yesterdays absence from TV was a serious political blunder – TV watchers expect their servants to turn up and explain themselves and not wuss out because the opposition smells bad. It also reinforces the view that now there are few capable,experience journalists left in the media (most on TV seem to be cadets) because they get better pay in the Spin industry. Leaving a vacuum to be filled by bloggers who are constantly in touch with current affairs(academics are so-o boring); bloggers will be increasingly used by TV. Politicians better get with the trend.

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  26. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    “TV watchers expect their servants to turn up and explain themselves ”

    So where were the senior Nats then?

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  27. Inventory2 (10,100 comments) says:

    Agree wholeheartedly trout – and by the look of Q1 this afternoon, he will be trying to air some of whatever “evidence” he has been able to gather. But he’s probably a day late.

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  28. Brian Smaller (3,992 comments) says:

    Offers of jobs for ‘favours’ to someone from your opposition party? Obviously he is an equal opportunity lech.

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  29. Grizz (244 comments) says:

    Come on, it was a free opportunity to take out a National MP. Whale Oil was never going to defend Worth. If you read his blog he would be rubbing his hands with glee that he has gone. Goff was not going to get into a hostile environment.

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  30. mike12 (183 comments) says:

    “Offers of jobs for ‘favours’ to someone from your opposition party? Obviously he is an equal opportunity lech.”

    Worth was obviously guilty of nothing more than trying to help people

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  31. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    I guess if you judge someone by their work, then to a lot of people Cameron is probably pegged as an angry venomous little snake, because that is certainly the style he is going for with the Whale oil blog. Goff has enough grown-up arguments to worry about, without having rabid bloggers screaming obscenities at him…

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  32. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “finally said he would not appear at all, if Whale was on the same show.”

    So typical of the totalitarian left. if you oppose socialism, they refuse to admit your existence.

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  33. Brian Smaller (3,992 comments) says:

    As long as National just answers every question and statement about how long John Key had this information with ‘Phillip Field – 3 more years” they will be alright.

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  34. alex Masterley (1,490 comments) says:

    Mr Goff’s failure to appear on close up with Cameron is one of those defining moments in his career. The failure to front up will be remembered as a sign of weakness more than the issue.

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  35. radvad (665 comments) says:

    Sainsbury actually said that Goff would not appear because Whale had been nasty about the Labour party.

    What fits best; pantywaist or diddums?

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  36. dime (9,442 comments) says:

    Goff.. which one is he again?

    The dude that wanted to make it legal for 12 year old girls to have sex? that guy?

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  37. MT_Tinman (2,993 comments) says:

    I watched that with some amazement.

    People actually voluntarily watch that mustachioed tosser?

    No bloody wonder the country is in a mess.

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  38. SBY (120 comments) says:

    Slater had nothing interesting to say and obviously knew nothing. The interview was pointless. Interviewing Whaleoil was a new low for TVNZ.

    Good on Goff for refusing to be involved.

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  39. trout (902 comments) says:

    TV as we know it is not about substance; it is about perception.

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  40. He-Man (270 comments) says:

    Whaleoil is a clown. It should have been Goff vs Worth-Less, now that would be good to watch!

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